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Arcturus Lynx	Posted - 2006.04.01 08:59:00 - [1] Theres been a lot of discussion on the topic so i thought i might get out some examples of popular Sci-Fi Movies and Series. Star-Trek Both the Original Enterprise and the Enterprise from New Generations are Cruiser Class ships similar to the Thorax in size. Both ships had close to 500-600 crew (if i remember correctly). The Voyager however is smaller but still cruiser size. The Enterprise from Enterprise (you know the new one) is a frigate size ship being much smaller then its post-incarnations. The Defiant from Deep Space Nine is also cruiser size but much smaller boasting a crew of 100-200 members. Im not too familar with the Star Trek universe but you could probably put the rest of the ships in the series into perspective (Federation Battleships are huge and kick ass btw) Firefly Firefly is a large frigate but not a destroyer size vessel. The crew is only like ... um 9 if i remember correctly. Stargate SG-1 Most of the ships in Stargate are battleship size, the big pyramid things ect. The O'Neil was a cruiser however. Lexx That was a titan methinks. Galactica It was big, really big. Carrier maybe titan. Robotech Most of the SD ships were primarily carriers. Some of the smaller Zentradi craft where cruisers and the troop transports were frigates. Thats most of the ones i know. I hope this has put the whole "how big is my ship" dilemma at ease. _______________________________________________________ Image oversized, please review the forum rules - Laqum
Shango Fyaman	Posted - 2006.04.01 16:37:00 - [2] Edited by: Shango Fyaman on 01/04/2006 16:40:52 Here some Info About the StarDestroyers, it seems they are between EVE-BS and EVE-Capital # Kuat Drive Yards Imperator I Star Destroyer Scale: capital Length: 1600m Skill: Captial ship piloting: star destroyer Crew: 36810, gunners: 275, skeleton: 5000/+20 Passengers: 9700 troops Cargo Capacity: 36000 metric tons Weapons: 60 Turbolaser Batteries Fire Control: 4D Space Range: 3-15/36/75 Atmosphere Range: 6-30/72/150km Damage: 5D 60 Ion Cannons Fire Control: 2D+2 Space Range: 1-10/25/50 Atmosphere Range: 2-20/50/100km Damage: 3D 10 Tractor Beam Emplacements Fire Control: 4D Space Range: 1-5/15/30 Atmosphere Range: 2-10/30/60km Strength: 6D # Kuat Drive Yards' Imperator II Star Destroyer Scale: capital Length: 1600m Skill: Captial ship piloting: star destroyer Crew: 36810, gunners: 275, skeleton: 5000/+20 Passengers: 9700 troops Cargo Capacity: 36000 metric tons Weapons: 50 Heavy Turbolaser Batteries Fire Control: 0D Space Range: 5-20/40/60 Atmosphere Range: 6-15/70/150km Damage: 10D 50 Turbolaser Batteries Fire Control: 1D Space Range: 3-15/35/75 Atmosphere Range: 6-15/70/150km Damage: 7D 20 Ion Cannons Fire Control: 4D Space Range: 1-10/25/50 Atmosphere Range: 2-20/50/100km Damage: 4D 10 Tractor Beam Emplacements Fire Control: 4D Space Range: 1-5/15/30 Atmosphere Range: 2-10/30/60km Strength: 6D and here the superb SuperStarDestroyer, Titan size Kuat Drive Yards Executor-class command ship Scale: capital Length: 8000m (subject to a continuity dispute, more probably 17.6km) Skill: Capital ship piloting: super star destroyer Crew: Skeleton: 50000 with command 7D; Total crew: 280734 Passengers: 38000 troops Cargo Capacity: 250000 metric tons Weapons: 250 Turbolaser Batteries Fire Control: 1D Space Range: 3-15/35/75 Atmosphere Range: 6-15/70/150km Damage: 7D 250 Heavy Turbolaser Batteries Fire Control: 0D Space Range: 5-20/40/60 Atmosphere Range: 10-20/80/120km Damage: 10D 250 Concussion Missile Tubes Fire Control: 2D Space Range: 2-12/30/60 Atmosphere Range: 0.2-1.2/3/6km Damage: 9D 250 Ion Cannons Fire Control: 4D Space Range: 1-10/25/50 Atmosphere Range: 2-20/50/100km Damage: 4D 40 Tractor Beam Emplacements Fire Control: 4D Space Range: 1-5/15/30 Atmosphere Range: 0.1-0.5/1.5/3km Strength: 9D
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.04.01 19:07:00 - [3] The standard crew complement for a Constitution-class Heavy Cruiser (James T. Kirk's Enterprise is 43 officers and 387 crew, for a total of 430. It is 288.6 meters long. It's definitely analagous to an EVE cruiser. Jean-Luc Picard's Galaxy-class Enterprise-D carries just over 1,000 people, but the number changes quite often, and it's not really clear who you can call crew and who is a passenger, it's even got children and nonsense like that. It's about twice as long as Kirk's Enterprise. This ship is definitely more along the lines of a battlecruiser in EVE. The Firefly-class really has no analogue in EVE, it's MAYBE closest to a Blockade Runner T2 Transport. Serenity has a crew of five (captain, first mate, pilot, engineer, and ship's doctor), plus four passengers (registered companion, mercenary, preacher, and loonie.) The Lexx is unlike anything we have in EVE. It has the capability to destroy planets instantly, which is beyond anything we have, and yet it's a living ship so it really runs itself, negating for more than one crewmember. It just needs the captain to tell it what to do. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.04.01 20:47:00 - [4] Oh and the Battlestar Galactica is, in function, a cross between an EVE Mothership and Titan because while it carrier fighters like a Mothership, it also has its own weapons like a Titan, which are particularly for fighting other capital-class ships (great example is episode 217, "The Captain's Hand", where the Pegasus's guns pound the hell out of a Cylon Base Star) -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Kyoko Sakoda	Posted - 2006.04.01 21:21:00 - [5] No, Nik, industrials have much bigger crews than that. When CCP had blueprints of the ships on their site in beta industrials had something like 400 crew (though I don't pay much attention to the blueprint numbers, I think they're quite exaggerated for the size of the ships). I think Firefly would be more akin (in size, and in number of crew needed) to destroyers, I'm thinking especially the Cormorant. Learn what it means to be Caldari - www.omertasyndicate.com
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.04.01 21:28:00 - [6] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda No, Nik, industrials have much bigger crews than that. When CCP had blueprints of the ships on their site in beta industrials had something like 400 crew (though I don't pay much attention to the blueprint numbers, I think they're quite exaggerated for the size of the ships). I think Firefly would be more akin (in size, and in number of crew needed) to destroyers, I'm thinking especially the Cormorant. I know that the Firefly class isn't an EVE industrial, I SAID that it really has no good parallel in EVE! It's much smaller than even the blockade runners, I'm just saying that's the CLOSEST thing. It performs like an Executioner, has a crew probably between that of a frigate and a destroyer, and has the cargo capacity of maybe a Wreath or Iteron Mk I or something, maybe a little smaller. However, even an Iteron or Wreath can at least mount a small turret and a smartbomb, a Firefly is completely unarmed. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Kyoko Sakoda	Posted - 2006.04.01 21:43:00 - [7] Edited by: Kyoko Sakoda on 01/04/2006 21:43:30 I'm just saying I think it's more like a unarmed destroyer in all it does. Learn what it means to be Caldari - www.omertasyndicate.com
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.04.02 00:21:00 - [8] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda I'm just saying I think it's more like a unarmed destroyer in all it does. I remember, before the Oversized Speed Mod nerf, I had a great setup with a Coercer, a 10MN afterburner, and a full rack of overdrive injectors in the lowslots. It had a pretty large cargohold, and ran like hell. It was also a beautiful ship. I think if you take that exact ship and setup, and take the lasers off of it, it's the closest you can get to the Firefly-class. It's just the fact that EVE destroyers have the capability to load many many guns that makes me think of them as very different from the Firefly class. That, and the fact that oversized speed mods don't work anymore, hence you can't even have your homemade Serenity anymore anyway. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Viktor Fyretracker	Posted - 2006.04.02 02:55:00 - [9] in the game "Birth of the Federation" the Defiant is classified as a Heavy Escort.
Tsual	Posted - 2006.04.02 11:59:00 - [10] Edited by: Tsual on 02/04/2006 12:04:36 Edited by: Tsual on 02/04/2006 12:04:14 Originally by: Arcturus Lynx The Defiant from Deep Space Nine is also cruiser size but much smaller boasting a crew of 100-200 members. Defiant (and afaik it's two sister ships) was definitly more a destroyers then a cruiser. If you think that eve destroyer have a higher tracking bonus then other ships and standart 50% increased bonus one might assume about 30% of those ships are just filled with computers and assorted other systems to achieve that better aiming. ******************** Tsual - Highly ore adddicted.
Gaven Lok'ri	Posted - 2006.04.02 17:28:00 - [11] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 02/04/2006 17:31:23 Im going to mention again here that I think star trek has such pathetic relative balance between its ships that its a bad example. On the firefly... Im thinking newbie ship to be honest. either that or industrial frigate like the tormentor. Starwars kindof tries, but its a bit odd. Mon Cal cruiser is roughly able to take a star destroyer, but they are both definitely battleships by any reasonable comparison. Also EVE does its 'capital ships' badly. I maintain that capital ship starts at BC/HAC rather than Dread/carrier. Really tohugh going with TV based comparisons is asking for trouble. Does anyone by any chance have any of the david weber reference books for ship crew sizes? Either in Starfire or the Honorverse? He has a better instinctive understanding of what a force balance looks like than any of these TV shows :P edit: ah, here is what I was looking for: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~tpope/misc/harrington/nefarious-list/1B.HTM God is with us. PIE Website
Viktor Fyretracker	Posted - 2006.04.02 18:33:00 - [12] firefly is odd in that the Serenity is just an unarmed transport, however an alliance cruiser looks bigger then an EVE battleship.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.04.03 00:24:00 - [13] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri On the firefly... Im thinking newbie ship to be honest. I maintain that the Firefly-class transport has absolutely no parallel in EVE except for a pre-oversized-speed-mod-nerf Coercer with a 10MN overdrive, a full rack of overdrives or nanofibers, and no weapons. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Gaven Lok'ri	Posted - 2006.04.03 02:51:00 - [14] Destroyer is too big. God is with us. PIE Website
Arron S	Posted - 2006.04.03 06:56:00 - [15] Now my two cents!.. We should throw in the Planet Killers from Babylon 5:) The Battlestars from BSG I would Classify as an Aircraft Carring Battleship
Tsual	Posted - 2006.04.03 11:21:00 - [16] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri On the firefly... Im thinking newbie ship to be honest. I maintain that the Firefly-class transport has absolutely no parallel in EVE except for a pre-oversized-speed-mod-nerf Coercer with a 10MN overdrive, a full rack of overdrives or nanofibers, and no weapons. Has anyone (exact) measures of the firefly? It looked a bit around 50 to 60m in the movie and would be then in the region of probe - and imho look at a battleship from a frigats pov. ******************** Tsual - Highly ore adddicted.
Varis	Posted - 2006.04.03 11:34:00 - [17] Yeah, probe sounds good. The Firefly-class ship even looks like it was built by minmatar :) Especially when they did the "reaver-conversion"
Tsual	Posted - 2006.04.03 14:37:00 - [18] Edited by: Tsual on 03/04/2006 14:39:15 Originally by: Varis Yeah, probe sounds good. The Firefly-class ship even looks like it was built by minmatar :) Especially when they did the "reaver-conversion" When you look it from the pov of a probe like in mining-op picture or this ore bashing photo the probe definitly seem to have the appropriate measures or mostly. (Note that probe is me 4 or 5 month after I joined and and constantly played eve - now that doesn't justify a stubbornness award though it comes near.) However comparing the pod with the probe, Serenity's torso is definitly burlier and offers more space in so far it would be about double the size of a probe.(and that is yet still about 1/4th or less the volume of a thrasher) For reference: Comparing Probe'n'pod 1 Comparing Probe'n'pod 2 Comparing Probe'n'pod 3 ******************** Tsual - Highly ore adddicted.
Viktor Fyretracker	Posted - 2006.04.03 14:48:00 - [19] in looks the Osprey is pretty darn close to Serenity. however i agree EVE has nothing to compair, the firefly is a hauler yet as seen on TV the Serenity can do things that would be impossible for frigates in EVE(Crazy Ivan anyone).
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.04.03 19:14:00 - [20] Originally by: Tsual Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri On the firefly... Im thinking newbie ship to be honest. I maintain that the Firefly-class transport has absolutely no parallel in EVE except for a pre-oversized-speed-mod-nerf Coercer with a 10MN overdrive, a full rack of overdrives or nanofibers, and no weapons. Has anyone (exact) measures of the firefly? It looked a bit around 50 to 60m in the movie and would be then in the region of probe - and imho look at a battleship from a frigats pov. 190 feet, although I can't remember if that's interior or exterior. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Viktor Fyretracker	Posted - 2006.04.09 14:00:00 - [21] Edited by: Viktor Fyretracker on 09/04/2006 14:02:25 so technicly a firefly is smaller then the average EVE frigate, EVE frigates are estimated to be about the size of the 747-400 which is 70.7m long or 231ft. if only our frigates had the tight handling of a Firefly. The US-NASA Space Shuttle is only 122ft long. Supertankers are crewed by around 40 people

Petwraith	Posted - 2006.04.10 13:08:00 - [22] http://www.merzo.net/ might be useful Also moved to eve general discussion --- I nerfed my own sig

Pottsey	Posted - 2006.04.10 13:16:00 - [23] Edited by: Pottsey on 10/04/2006 13:16:16 Check out http://www.dissonance-corp.com/shipblueprints.php I managed to get a copy of most of the blueprints. Can anyone can send me better copyÆs of the damaged ones or missing blueprints? According to the blueprints I have its 150 crew for an industrials ship. But those are for none pod pilot ships. Pod Pilots ships have far less crew. _________________________________________________ Nominate famous people in Eve who had an impact on you.
VinLieger	Posted - 2006.04.10 13:40:00 - [24] This might be useful in the discussion I think http://www.eve-files.com/media/0603/compilation.jpg
Flyyn	Posted - 2006.04.10 13:41:00 - [25] I always thought, that there should be a crew requirment in Eve. Or atleast a robotics skill to control the thousands of little drones that run around a "Pod Pilots" ship keeping it in running condition.
Waut	Posted - 2006.04.10 13:46:00 - [26] Edited by: Waut on 10/04/2006 13:51:30 Edited by: Waut on 10/04/2006 13:46:55 Edited by: Waut on 10/04/2006 13:46:20 Originally by: Shango Fyaman Kuat Drive Yards Executor-class command ship Scale: capital Length: 8000m (subject to a continuity dispute, more probably 17.6km) the 8000m figure is very out of date and proven wrong a long time ago. The movies obviously show a figure around 17-20km In Soviet EVE, roids pop YOU
Carfax	Posted - 2006.04.10 14:44:00 - [27] If there were actual crews on ships then odds on there would be a severe problem down in 0.0 especially with the pvpers being told they had to fly solo ships due to no crew being prepared to ship with them due to their high crew losses. Don't think that would be popular. You could suggest escape pods for the crew which would require an abandon ship order before the ship blows which would imply with the crew running to the pods that your weapons systems and suchlike would shutdown. Then theres the consideration of where are these escape pods and how do they get back to a station or do they get killed. if they were visible then folks would smart bomb them for laughs and they would bring back lag in battles small enough to currently escape the lag monster. ======================================== 10 million isk to the first pilot to bring me the announcers frozen corpse ========================================
Viktor Fyretracker	Posted - 2006.04.10 14:46:00 - [28] one could say the escape pods are so small they arent seen(maybe even cloaked), and due to tiny size can just ride the blast wave of a smartbomb as they dont provide enough resistance to be damaged by it.
Icarus Starkiller	Posted - 2006.04.10 15:10:00 - [29] There are two modes of thought on crew size: A buncha warm bodies without escape devices that strangely leave no corpses when the ship is disassembled... or a completely robotisized system. Since only one pod emerges from the wreckage I go for the 'robotic systems' theory. And in an RP sense it is a preferred course to preserve life. - ISK Pharmers & Alt spies: A solution Life is pain...anyone who says differently is selling something.
Dhannik	Posted - 2006.04.10 15:10:00 - [30] Pods always annoy me in EVE. I know the egg-shape was made to give the rough idea that it is a fragile as an egg, but seriously where are the engines on it or does it run on space magic? I always liked the idea of a POD being something more like the rough size and shape of capsule-like thing Arroway 'traveled with' in Contact.

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