No, because it's just irrelevant lore.

- Require the Capital Ships skill.
- Can fit X-large modules.
- Use X-large rigs.
- Can't be built in highsec.

Also on a meta level:
- Aren't allowed to undock in highsec during a war or be used for any kind of highsec aggression.
Game balance. All the reason you ever need.

OP, it's just game mechanics.

A big hauler was needed to get stuff from Jita to Goonspace (for example) so CCP made one. There was also need to have a T2 Jump version, so CCP made one.

These ships were really big so CCP classed them erroneously as capitals. Not the first time they have managed to confuse the player base and not the last.

In any case, it's the way it is because it's the way it is. Simple as that. Like many other things in this game you just need to see something else when you see the word 'capital' in the freighter description. Like 'big' or something. It'll make things a lot easier for you.

Mr Epeen

Mr Epeen

what the **** is lore?

When the rper and carebear combines, a singularity of pure sperging shall come to life, I present you this thread.

And not you can't do l4 with a carrier no matter how much you cry on the forums.

When the rper and carebear combines, a singularity of pure sperging shall come to life, I present you this thread.

And not you can't do l4 with a carrier no matter how much you cry on the forums.

The solution is to reduce the size of freighters and jump freighters in half, capacity in half, tank in half, etc. Then we fix the lore problem.

Nerf haulers!

No one gives a flying dogturd about CCP's lame lore. Its worse than the James338 crap you guys rave on about in most cases.

You still seem mad about getting your ship all blown to pieces.

CCP could enable capital ships to traverse high sec but they would be limited in what they can do of course:

-they would still need to use cynos

-they wouldnt be able to remote repair

-they wouldnt be able to launch drones/fighters or use EWAR, energy disruption and weapon modules

-they would be locked from mission sites and anomalies/DED sites...

-they can repair themselves and use propulsion methods

-capital ships can interact in duels and defend if agressed by players, its the only moment where they have combat enabled

the idea is that while not in wardecs or being attacked, capital ships would only serve as hauling ships, they have the permission to pass and defend themselves if attacked, but they wont be able to do any PvE content, mining included, since their place should be out of high sec

I find myself wondering why capitals are not allowed in High sec. Anybody got a justification for that?

No one gives a flying dogturd about CCP's lame lore. Its worse than the James338 crap you guys rave on about in most cases.

Yea...no. Right now capital logistics requires some effort and includes RISK. Cynos in highsec remove risk.

Actually, much as I'm not supporting Erotica here, viewing them as a great example of the worst EVE has to offer, a LOT of people care about EVE's lore.

But on this point about Caps, it's as simple as 'They don't get to use stargates'. We can argue till we are blue in the face about lore, but sometimes game balance has to come first, not lore. (Most times in fact). So we can simply make Psuedo lore explanations that when viewed from an in game perspective would hold true. Or you can rant on the forums how it's not fair.

Actually, much as I'm not supporting Erotica here, viewing them as a great example of the worst EVE has to offer, a LOT of people care about EVE's lore.

But on this point about Caps, it's as simple as 'They don't get to use stargates'. We can argue till we are blue in the face about lore, but sometimes game balance has to come first, not lore. (Most times in fact). So we can simply make Psuedo lore explanations that when viewed from an in game perspective would hold true. Or you can rant on the forums how it's not fair.

Neutral cyno alts would require suicide ganking to kill. There are no hard coded limitations on what a cap can do in high sec. Suicide Ganking cap ships is nigh on impossible (So crazy as to be unrealistic to ever do), Caps in High Sec would completely change the scale of High Sec war. Hardcoding them to prevent them doing stuff would mean that in the event of a wardec, they would be utterly vulnerable and unable to even defend themselves.
So yea.... Huge can of worms for no real benefit to the gameplay overall.

Yes, because Blap dreads, POS's, Carriers supplying massive RR power, Titan Boosts, Fighter assist for Mission running, couldn't possibly be an issue at all.... Heck, even with the tiny exposure to cap warfare that I've had I know how terrible letting loose caps in high sec would be.

You are forgetting that an Orca is a capitol ships as well, and that an Orca is basically a nerffed down Carrier for highsec with mining bonuses instead of PVP bonuses. So a lot of what you said still does not make sense.

:)

This is just postulation on my part, freighters and jump freighters are specifically designed to be able to move freely in high sec, it would be likely that due to this that they have a number of inbuilt systems designed to reduce the burden on the stargates, some kind of a heavy warp stabilizer and advanced computing system which greatly reduces the load on the gate and allows it to move something that is possibly vastly over its normal mass capabilities. Of course the cost of this ability is the inability to mount any more equipment as all of its power and cpu is required to run this stargate efficiency program.

Carriers however are designed to have specialized combat uses, to get a similar system operating in them would require far too much sacrifice of its combat modules. Even though the Nidhoggur only has a roughly 5% difference in mass from a Charon, with the theory posted above the difference between its mass and the gates mass capability will be far higher. which would explain why the various capital designers did not even attempt to design a combat capital with the capacity to operate gates (to do that they would essentially be building a battleship).

I don't have anything to backup what I've said above, but at the very least its a way to explain the game mechanics without stuffing up eve lore.

I find myself wondering why capitals are not allowed in High sec. Anybody got a justification for that?

If this theory was to be true, then the minimised mass has already been accounted for. It suffers the same problem that the bloated "footprint" theory has as well.

with the mass of all of the parts that make up a freighter (charon was used for reference here), it equates to 2.22 million kgs.

960 million kgs is the mass of a fully built Charon. As you may notice, the components that make up the Charon are heavier than the components that make up a Nidhoggur. Yet the Charon is lighter than a Nidhoggur which may prove you right - The Charon is more "efficient" at reducing it's mass, whether that's from electronic systems or a stargate efficiency program, it's not known.

But, the way it proves you wrong is that now that the "electronics system" is taken into account, the Nidhoggur is still only 5% heavier. Therefore, it's not "much too big" at all.

Another problem with a "stargate efficiency program" is that no matter what, the same number of particles (ie. the same mass) has to pass through the stargate at the same time. You could reduce the stress on the stargate by making the particles move through the stargate at a slower rate - which will spread them out further as they move through hyperspace. This will unfortunately break the bonds on the particles, and you won't end up with a Charon at the end you'll end up with a subatomic blob of broken particles.

Do you understand what i'm getting at? No matter what electronics you put onto it, the same volume of particles will have to go through the stargate at the same rate.