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Raid
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Posted - 2006.04.04 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Raid on 04/04/2006 18:50:28
 Originally by: Emno
Edited by: Emno on 04/04/2006 17:31:00
Originally by: Luc Boye
Originally by: Raid
Originally by: Luc Boye
Why not organize a tourney where small gangs can fight each other and settle the matter... lets call it caldari pvp championship. Winners can get cool rewards and stuff... Oh wait.
Everyone was not allowed to enter that tournament. It was also a structured tournament with pre-set ship classes and rules. It was hardly a measuring stick for the best skirmish warriors. There are so many skilled fighters out there as well as different types of gang compositions. What you saw in that tourny was not a skirmish.
Wasn't really aware of the fact that not everybody could apply, what was the reasoning behind that?
was done in a hurry afaik sorting out who could join from all the corps in eve would take months so it was just alliances that were allowed to apply
I think the biggest limitation was it was an alliance tournament. So only alliances could enter not corporations. After that you had to be an alliance of a specific size. Afte much complaining the size was increased but still only alliances could enter. There are plenty of talented corps out there that could have won that, but they simply could no enter.
oh well. Its not like they would have used the mothership as effectivly as an alliance, but still... no oportunity to enter.
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
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Omeega
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Posted - 2006.04.04 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: putukas
Originally by: Amerame
I'm not sure RAT qualify as a skirmish warfare corporation, they are a military powerhouse that very few corporations in Eve can match, if any, they take on medium sized alliance fleets.
Whats with the RAT here RAT there, i think i have met them in fight only one time and then they were also ganged with red alliance. I quoted your post because i had much better fights with Section XIII then RAT.
Originally by: Evil Thug
If someone smacking you, then you are doing everything right. Please, check RED kb, how we are logging off . 1 question. Why you need to call Lotka Volterra, if you allready outnumbered us by 10 battleships ?
what should we check on red killboard? how RATs kill our miners and npc hunters in GW and then log off :P ? There has not been any real fights between V and RAT as far as i know.
we didnt call LV for help thats for sure.
Hint hint. veritas kb -> fleet battles -> battle of K-Z. Enjoy.
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I ♥ u (and Hast too)
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Ribbo
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Posted - 2006.04.04 20:21:00 -
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d.n.a for me tbh and now we've got a few of them in bnc im in hero worshipping mode tbh.
i also enjoy fighting shivaja's lot i wish they would get a little more confident and move away from npc stations more tho :(
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2006.04.04 21:32:00 -
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All y'all southerners.
Come up to the real PvP cardinal direction.
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.04.04 21:42:00 -
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I've heard rumours of a corporation pvp contest this summer.
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danneh
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Posted - 2006.04.04 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
I've heard rumours of a corporation pvp contest this summer.
Hope so.
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.04.04 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: danneh
Originally by: Shin Ra
I've heard rumours of a corporation pvp contest this summer.
Hope so.
Logging off 2 chars in bs's in a roid belt and both being owned by Cope & friends means you can't compete afaik.
Ps. Yay I'm bored
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.04.05 07:45:00 -
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Originally by: Masta Killa
Originally by: danneh
Originally by: Shin Ra
I've heard rumours of a corporation pvp contest this summer.
Hope so.
Logging off 2 chars in bs's in a roid belt and both being owned by Cope & friends means you can't compete afaik.
Ps. Yay I'm bored
LOL!
That does bring up an interesting point.
Were that competition to go ahead, how on earth would CCP choose candidates? Most of these pvp corps mentioned are quite small, so there would have to be some sort of nominations I guess. But again that would screw over the non-forum whoring corps.
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Tiwaz
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Posted - 2006.04.05 10:15:00 -
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We have fought nearly all, if not all, on Gissa's shortlist of good pvp corps. RAT/RA part of the old CA was/is very good.
In the SE/SA wars, LD's corp comes to mind and so do Xenobytes. the bob corps are good and often have good numbers to win the day.
MC kicked our ass (we were low on numbers tho  )
Piratewise Forsaken empire corp showed the way, with some good fights.
The teddys are l33t ecm users and so are ER.
Who win or loose are often a matter of luck and the opponets will to fight, even a battle that is often lost in advance
Overall the corps that wants to fight and not just win, is my favorite. They make the game fun.
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Max Teranous
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Posted - 2006.04.05 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
LOL!
That does bring up an interesting point.
Were that competition to go ahead, how on earth would CCP choose candidates? Most of these pvp corps mentioned are quite small, so there would have to be some sort of nominations I guess. But again that would screw over the non-forum whoring corps.
If it were CCP organised, they could datamine the kill stats and send invites to the CEO's of, say the best 32 or 64 killer Corps. Although how you specifically define "best" is anyones guess !
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Spacearoni
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Posted - 2006.04.05 23:18:00 -
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T.R.S..........................................................................4tw
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FooB2
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Posted - 2006.04.05 23:28:00 -
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ME. NFUFF DASID
ILL PWNSZ YOU AL L IN MYIBSI OF DOOOM. YHEAHS
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danneh
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Posted - 2006.04.06 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Masta Killa
Originally by: danneh
Originally by: Shin Ra
I've heard rumours of a corporation pvp contest this summer.
Hope so.
Logging off 2 chars in bs's in a roid belt and both being owned by Cope & friends means you can't compete afaik.
Ps. Yay I'm bored
Computer issues, i'm pretty sure i could have warped off during their 50 au warp, but hey thanks for the flames, thats the only thing you are good for these days.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.04.06 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Masta Killa
Originally by: danneh
Originally by: Shin Ra
I've heard rumours of a corporation pvp contest this summer.
Hope so.
Logging off 2 chars in bs's in a roid belt and both being owned by Cope & friends means you can't compete afaik.
Ps. Yay I'm bored
LOL!
That does bring up an interesting point.
Were that competition to go ahead, how on earth would CCP choose candidates? Most of these pvp corps mentioned are quite small, so there would have to be some sort of nominations I guess. But again that would screw over the non-forum whoring corps.
Ya good point. If they choose based on size, I doubt any of the corps mentioned here wil even get in. You might see corp that are largely industry in the compitition.
Or by kill count, well then FATE might not make it, even though we've been mention in this thread several times, we are still new. And also going by kill count, you may leave some of the smaller corps out of the loop again, even if they are very good.
Kill's per member? Well then you might see a couple empire sniping corps in as well, ahead of other, more deserving corps. I know of a couple small corps who snipe 0.4 systems, and FATE's kills don't compare at all in numbers.
Kill to death ratio? Err again you get sniper corps in. And kill to death ratio isn't a good measure of how well a corp performs. We've warped in against 4:1 odds, come out even, and I can say thats an impresive show by most standerds, but our kill to death ratio sucks for that enagement. And with out naming names, I know of a couple corps who's k:d must be very high, but they flat out suck at PVP, they just gank and gank.
Forum nominations: As shinra said, you may risk leaving out the non-forum corps.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.04.06 00:35:00 -
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"That does bring up an interesting point.
Were that competition to go ahead, how on earth would CCP choose candidates? Most of these pvp corps mentioned are quite small, so there would have to be some sort of nominations I guess. But again that would screw over the non-forum whoring corps."
Probably open sign-ups and then random matches in enough elimination rounds to weed out most wanna-be competitors... if they make similar rules to ones in the alliance competition, this is likely to weed out quite a few people from the very start -- the idea of losing multiple ships in each elimination/round can make plenty think twice.
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.04.06 00:44:00 -
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Open signups for every corp in eve sounds unlikely tbh.
Too big, too complicated.
I'm guessing the corps who yap the most on the forums will be picked 
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.04.06 00:47:00 -
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If they do do it I hope the first rule is 'No jamming'.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.04.06 00:59:00 -
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"Open signups for every corp in eve sounds unlikely tbh.
Too big, too complicated."
Well, am thinking there isn't really that many corps in EVE determined enough to compete.. but perhaps they could just put a limit of i dunno, 128 corporations and register them on first come - first serve basis. Or something. Then it wouldn't take too long to put them through eliminations if they're kept with reasonable time limit per match... o.O;
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jamesw
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Posted - 2006.04.06 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard
If they do do it I hope the first rule is 'No jamming'.
My ultimate PVP comp rules:
- 4vs4
- 1 very small system, (say maximum 5 warpable objects)
- No safespotting allowed.
- Anything goes - jamming, warping about etc.
- Central "Beacon" (aka flag).
After a 5 minute timer, the side with more ships under 15k from the flag wins. Any active combat at the flag extends the timer.
It becomes a real test of scanning, tackling, tactics and quick thinking - and not just who has the better dps. A real test of skirmish ability.
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Baun
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Posted - 2006.04.06 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: jamesw
Originally by: welsh wizard
If they do do it I hope the first rule is 'No jamming'.
My ultimate PVP comp rules:
- 4vs4
- 1 very small system, (say maximum 5 warpable objects)
- No safespotting allowed.
- Anything goes - jamming, warping about etc.
- Central "Beacon" (aka flag).
After a 5 minute timer, the side with more ships under 15k from the flag wins. Any active combat at the flag extends the timer.
It becomes a real test of scanning, tackling, tactics and quick thinking - and not just who has the better dps. A real test of skirmish ability.
Sounds interesting. If people actually tried to be smart and play range games with high DPS opponents who camp the beacon then it might work ..... but I think that most of the time it would devolve into one large battle starting about 1minute before the timer ended.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.04.06 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: jamesw
Originally by: welsh wizard
If they do do it I hope the first rule is 'No jamming'.
My ultimate PVP comp rules:
- 4vs4
- 1 very small system, (say maximum 5 warpable objects)
- No safespotting allowed.
- Anything goes - jamming, warping about etc.
- Central "Beacon" (aka flag).
After a 5 minute timer, the side with more ships under 15k from the flag wins. Any active combat at the flag extends the timer.
It becomes a real test of scanning, tackling, tactics and quick thinking - and not just who has the better dps. A real test of skirmish ability.
/me drools
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2006.04.06 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard
If they do do it I hope the first rule is 'No jamming'.
Heheh Jamming is a mod like a gun or a dmg modifier..
Dont know why people got so big props with jamming..
If you dont like to get jammed counter it with backups..
Also jammers are not like the win button you have to sacrifice something to fit them and they do fail alot and are pratical useless when that happend..
PVP is not just lock and shoot.. there is alot of other things to consider and that it what makes pvp fun
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Baun
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Posted - 2006.04.06 03:14:00 -
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Edited by: Baun on 06/04/2006 03:14:42
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood
Originally by: welsh wizard
If they do do it I hope the first rule is 'No jamming'.
Heheh Jamming is a mod like a gun or a dmg modifier..
Dont know why people got so big props with jamming..
If you dont like to get jammed counter it with backups..
Also jammers are not like the win button you have to sacrifice something to fit them and they do fail alot and are pratical useless when that happend..
PVP is not just lock and shoot.. there is alot of other things to consider and that it what makes pvp fun
This isn't the Ships and Mods forums but I can't resist.
What is a plate domi sacrificing by using ECM in mid slots?
The reason people don't like jamming is that its randomn, not reliably counterable, and effectively overpowered. Its not so bad in large engagements where it takes real skill and teamwork to jam large numbers of targets at the same time.
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2006.04.06 03:26:00 -
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Edited by: Lunas Feelgood on 06/04/2006 03:26:41
Originally by: Baun
Edited by: Baun on 06/04/2006 03:14:42
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood
Originally by: welsh wizard
If they do do it I hope the first rule is 'No jamming'.
Heheh Jamming is a mod like a gun or a dmg modifier..
Dont know why people got so big props with jamming..
If you dont like to get jammed counter it with backups..
Also jammers are not like the win button you have to sacrifice something to fit them and they do fail alot and are pratical useless when that happend..
PVP is not just lock and shoot.. there is alot of other things to consider and that it what makes pvp fun
This isn't the Ships and Mods forums but I can't resist.
What is a plate domi sacrificing by using ECM in mid slots?
The reason people don't like jamming is that its randomn, not reliably counterable, and effectively overpowered. Its not so bad in large engagements where it takes real skill and teamwork to jam large numbers of targets at the same time.
Dear Baun alot actually.. Becuase you dont know if its 100% sure that you gonna jamm the target.. Yuo could fit tracking disruptors or sensor dampners instead and there you know you gonna do some dmg..
And again fit 1 backup and you are indeed very hard to jamm..well sometime you will get jammed but **** happends
It also depends on what you are going up against, some alliance rely on heavy ECM, some rely on fast moving frig fleet, some rely on heavy dmg dealers etc...
All of these tactics can be countered on way of another and that if what makes combat intence becuase you got so many options to control the fight.
And yes I know when E-R fought celest whom i got so much repsect for btw,, we did use alot of ecm on you simply becuase we saw it was the best counter against you hard hitting ravens and turret ship..
And that is prop what have made E-R a great pvp corp.. There ability to change there tactic to what ever tactic the other side use and counter it..
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.04.06 03:30:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 06/04/2006 03:30:37
"And again fit 1 backup and you are indeed very hard to jamm..well sometime you will get jammed but **** happends"
Allow the ECM and you're practically begging for repeat of fanfest PvP contest -- everyone flying missile boats with pre-loaded FoF missiles, sensor dampeners in mids, damage mods in the lows.
fun fun fun... or not.
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Baun
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Posted - 2006.04.06 03:37:00 -
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Edited by: Baun on 06/04/2006 03:37:48
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood
And yes I know when E-R fought celest whom i got so much repsect for btw,, we did use alot of ecm on you simply becuase we saw it was the best counter against you hard hitting ravens and turret ship..
So it was the best counter against our ships that fight by shooting? Translation: Its the best counter against everything and its not counterable.
I have no problem with E-R using ECM on every ship or with ECM being used so much in its current state. Its just INSANELY broken for small engagements and allowing it in a contest designed to reward skill and teamwork would be a mockery.
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2006.04.06 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
Edited by: j0sephine on 06/04/2006 03:30:37
"And again fit 1 backup and you are indeed very hard to jamm..well sometime you will get jammed but **** happends"
Allow the ECM and you're practically begging for repeat of fanfest PvP contest -- everyone flying missile boats with pre-loaded FoF missiles, sensor dampeners in mids, damage mods in the lows.
fun fun fun... or not.
Yes I can see you point and yes i do hate to be jammed to. But jammers, ECM burst, tracking disruptors, sensor damp is a big part of pvp even WCS is a tactic hehe..
Or els it just gonna come down to whom got the fastet lock and most dmg output.. and then all the mod¦s tactician ingame gonna be out of work becuase thats also one big part of the fun how can you fit the perfect combat ship to counter what ever you enemys trow at you..
but i dont know I do see you point.
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2006.04.06 03:46:00 -
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Edited by: Lunas Feelgood on 06/04/2006 03:48:27
Originally by: Baun
Edited by: Baun on 06/04/2006 03:37:48
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood
And yes I know when E-R fought celest whom i got so much repsect for btw,, we did use alot of ecm on you simply becuase we saw it was the best counter against you hard hitting ravens and turret ship..
So it was the best counter against our ships that fight by shooting? Translation: Its the best counter against everything and its not counterable.
I have no problem with E-R using ECM on every ship or with ECM being used so much in its current state. Its just INSANELY broken for small engagements and allowing it in a contest designed to reward skill and teamwork would be a mockery.
Well i do see you concern and ECM can be a win button in small engagements but you just cant count on it..
It is counterable use backups.
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Baun
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Posted - 2006.04.06 04:31:00 -
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Edited by: Baun on 06/04/2006 04:33:43
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood
Edited by: Lunas Feelgood on 06/04/2006 03:48:27
Originally by: Baun
Edited by: Baun on 06/04/2006 03:37:48
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood
And yes I know when E-R fought celest whom i got so much repsect for btw,, we did use alot of ecm on you simply becuase we saw it was the best counter against you hard hitting ravens and turret ship..
So it was the best counter against our ships that fight by shooting? Translation: Its the best counter against everything and its not counterable.
I have no problem with E-R using ECM on every ship or with ECM being used so much in its current state. Its just INSANELY broken for small engagements and allowing it in a contest designed to reward skill and teamwork would be a mockery.
Well i do see you concern and ECM can be a win button in small engagements but you just cant count on it..
It is counterable use backups.
Backups were only a real counter to ECM when ECM was a strict hit or miss numerical system. Now all backups do is add some sort of intangible factor that may or may not help you at the cost of a slot which can usually be fitted to increase your ships performance in other more important ways.
ECM is so overpowered for small engagements because there are ships that can fit them easily without impacting their offensive abilities (5th slot ECM tempests, ECM Domis, ECM Ravens etc). When ECM wasn't chance based the only ships that could really jam you were ones that did laughably poor damage and were paper thin. ECM may not be 100% reliable, but that isn't neccesary when you can do full damage and still have a good shot at preventing your opponent from doing any at all.
What I said about ECM not being counterable, however, was wrong. It is indeed counterable ..... by MORE ECM. The only counter is to match your opponents strategy and hope you get the jams before they do. This is why contests that allow ECM in its current form devolve into what j0sephine detailed.
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2006.04.06 04:40:00 -
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Hmm.
Some fun is inbound :)
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