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Gissa
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Posted - 2006.04.02 00:22:00 -
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Edited by: Gissa on 02/04/2006 00:23:19
Alliances are 4tw....
We all know that.
But, skirmish warfare is a part of the game.
Tell us of your skirmish warfare favourite corps or even most annoying skirmish warfare corp
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Gissa
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Posted - 2006.04.02 00:34:00 -
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Edited by: Gissa on 02/04/2006 00:34:05
Burn Eden must be one of the top corps...
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liquidism
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Posted - 2006.04.02 00:35:00 -
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tribal souls.
when we went to their space with a small ganking force we nearly always got a cool fight with them. nothing big just 5vs.5 or 10vs.10 skirmishes, but fun whats its all about. kudos.
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Reprisa
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Posted - 2006.04.02 00:41:00 -
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InterGalactic Corp...hmm
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Sochin
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Posted - 2006.04.02 00:42:00 -
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lol Burn Eden.
Finite Horizen probably.
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Kurenin
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:23:00 -
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Good question.
Whatever corp Cherry is in, despite the complete smackdown laid down upon NORAD regularly by my alt, they always pop their heads up to say hello and often a yummy fight is on the cards. They do tend to bring a few more people than I am able to engage though.
Other than that, er, Evolution?
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NATMav
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:34:00 -
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Fate.
I'm glad they are on our side.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:41:00 -
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Edited by: Hllaxiu on 02/04/2006 01:43:21
Skirmish is certainly better than information - I only have 1 non-bugged module to use on my Eos. 
Seriously: BE, Rubra/RFM and a few others. Slightly biased on the second one there though.
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Vanamonde
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Posted - 2006.04.02 02:29:00 -
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Bug Hunters - ISD 
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SweatySack
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Posted - 2006.04.02 02:44:00 -
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Edited by: SweatySack on 02/04/2006 02:44:52
 Originally by: NATMav
Fate.
I'm glad they are on our side.
The best is Fate.
However, give us time. [FREEE] will be there as well.
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Eskiban Vlasic
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Posted - 2006.04.02 02:53:00 -
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Not with me here we won't
- Vlasic of TW Fame
The Suicidal Newb
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Trepkos
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Posted - 2006.04.02 02:53:00 -
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RAT.
Give me all others before these guys.
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BlackHawk177
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Posted - 2006.04.02 03:07:00 -
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Fate.
Burn Eden
Biomass Cartel
Don't need anyone else
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Velsharoon
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Posted - 2006.04.02 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kurenin
Good question.
Whatever corp Cherry is in, despite the complete smackdown laid down upon NORAD regularly by my alt, they always pop their heads up to say hello and often a yummy fight is on the cards. They do tend to bring a few more people than I am able to engage though.
Other than that, er, Evolution?
cherry smells of wee :(
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.04.02 03:43:00 -
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BE/Penetrate. Not in anyway scared of them. Just hate fighting them. Local burns my eyes, and thier play style is not to my liking.
Mom 'n pop ammo shop. Again not scared to fight. But they stick together as a team better then the majority of the corps out there. You always know when there's 1, 5 more are close by.
Actually there's no corps I'm honestly scare to fight, or that I believe we/I will constiantly lose to. But there are a number of corps that who's smack/fighting style I dislike, and try to avoid fights with because they are no fun at all.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.02 04:26:00 -
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Finite Horizon.
They have so much raw ISK, and are such good pilots individually that they scare the hell out of pretty much everyone I know who has faced them.
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Anathae
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Posted - 2006.04.02 05:21:00 -
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definetly not bob. bring 2 battleships and they will have 12 sitting in the next system.
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magickangaroo
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Posted - 2006.04.02 06:03:00 -
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reikoku. flat out tbh. bnc and evol to a lesser extent but from the outside rkk was always a scarey ninja sas kinda group. bit bigger now thou :D
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2006.04.02 06:25:00 -
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Hard to say really, a small mobile force with instas can do quite a bit.
Only thing that annoys the crap out of me is loggers, people that log in, get a gank and log off.
It's part of the game, but it's irritating.
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1024
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Posted - 2006.04.02 06:51:00 -
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RAT , BE is good at what they do i just dont agree with their setups.
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2006.04.02 08:10:00 -
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Even if you are losing - its new expirience. So i have no corp to afraid to engage. Its about fun 
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2006.04.02 08:15:00 -
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rat are a nuigthare to fight if you dont know what youre diuing
BE are the msot boring to fight
Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside
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Fitz Chivalry
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Posted - 2006.04.02 10:15:00 -
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Euphoria Released are very good roamers and are hard to pin down, very frustrating to fight.
BE are dull to fight as they dont really roam save in a single system to a series of sniper spots.
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Hast
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Posted - 2006.04.02 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Trepkos
RAT.
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.04.02 10:21:00 -
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MGRL
Originally by: Oveur
****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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Kinsy
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Posted - 2006.04.02 10:35:00 -
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E-R's jamming power would make baby jesus cry, but his tear ducts are jammed 
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Avallon
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Posted - 2006.04.02 10:38:00 -
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FATE.
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ecam's Hunter
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Posted - 2006.04.02 11:25:00 -
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Looking at some of the responces I think you have posed the question wrong. This is not intended to sound like a flame hence using my main, but would the best skirmish pilots not be the ones that dont spend most there time on the forums telling people about it.
People above said Burn Eden but TBH they are great if not the best at what they do but thats only because they are amongst the few that do it (long range ganking with 5 wcs and ew, not flaim, fact),
most skirmish pilots would stand and fight an evenley matched fleet.
The top skirmish war fare Corp in EVE goes to ATUK, hands down, I have seen them fight larger fleets and come first by warping in and out and using enemy bubbles to there advantage.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2006.04.02 11:33:00 -
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Penetrate.
I hated fighting them.
They might seem brave cause they did try to engage Norad.But these tries were sniper bs at 200km +ss +wcs.Usually warping in shooting , warping out before they inflicted any true dmg.Just to annoy.
Sure they killed some of us , by our mistakes or our huge desperation to actually try to really fight.They were no real threat either just annoying.
Huge huge waste of my playing time.
They never truly engage unless outnumbering 3 to 1 ( unles the lame sinpe described above) .Alwys run if a true fleet approaches them.
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Shirei
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Posted - 2006.04.02 11:35:00 -
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RAT. - no contest.
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Zaphod Jones
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Posted - 2006.04.02 11:43:00 -
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Wherever Kabalevsky is currently
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Nooey
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Posted - 2006.04.02 11:46:00 -
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When Yuki and Kale tuck me in at night and tell me stories of long ago, they always speak with hushed tones of how the 20-man KIA inty squads tore chunks out of Omerta with ruthless efficiency. ;_;
So seeing as I know very little I'll give 'em my vote.
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2006.04.02 11:47:00 -
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ohh Dear.. I have preatty much fought every1 in this game and the best skirmish corp is:
RAT, Russian punk have fought them since i was a 3month noob.. very deadly
SAS, Small but very effective..Been so long in there tight gruop they are all about teamwork..
KIA, merc corp very professionl, KIAeddz know the ****
Contraband INC, Crazy but got some of the best pvp¦ers ingame..
E-R, and im not just saying E-R becuase I used to be, Every1 who has ever fought E-R know its not fun..
Celest apoc.. These guys love to fight, will Fight you even if you outnumber them 4-1..one of my fevorite pvp corp
ATUK.. BIG and ugly. is experts in every kind of warfare..
Battle Angels.. Fought them along time ago they are decent
Corp who havent made it yet..
Fate: Fate is a new corp havent really done anything yet time will tell..
Biomass. Parmi¦s corp. nahh they arnt the elite yet simply becuase of all the new guys they have recruited not a team yet.. And they need to go abowe camping p3en.. But im sure in time parm gonna get them uber..
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King Dave
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Posted - 2006.04.02 11:48:00 -
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'The establishment' is the best at small scale skirmishes, they're constantly onform, unlike RAT who sometimes have off days. If you'd ever flown with Est. you'd know theres no other team out there which are so well organised.
don't speak english...
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Dracorimus
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Posted - 2006.04.02 11:50:00 -
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rat.
/me wants the 100m isk Ebil Tugboat
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HuDDy
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Posted - 2006.04.02 11:55:00 -
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RAT
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Dracolich
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Posted - 2006.04.02 11:58:00 -
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Celestial Apocalypse....
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.04.02 12:00:00 -
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E-R as opposed to what many aid here I found a delight to fight against (and this is meant as a positive and not a negative comment). Coming in with mixed fleets, properly split up in subgroups and never leaving without a fight.
B-E I have only fought against them a little but from what peeps say I have seen 99% of their tactical expertise  well if they dont find it boring.... sure why not
(there is still hope for them... I ehard they joined MC so Eyeshadow might teach them a thing or two)
RAT
Trully awfull... yes the number one.
Good at snipping mini fleets but when you outdo them at their game they logg off. Generally spending most of their time logged off in like 10 Temprests and have 3-4 Rifters (cant they afford ceptors?) running here and there looking for a small target for the 10 Tempests to log in and pown. Get 5 Megas together and the 10 Tempests logg off again. Pffft (and I say that not having had any losses to them personally, only kills I think... but it is simply .... not fun.) Sorry guys truth is truth...
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.04.02 12:19:00 -
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Hmm corps I dont like to engage, only two spring to mind, but probably not for the right reasons, BE and RAT.
BE good at what they do, but lame tactics.
RAT from what I've seen kinda the same descrotion as BE realy, good at what they do, but boring as hell, log off/on yadda, yadda, arguably worse than BE realy, at least BE use fittings with their tactics rather than borderline exploits lol.
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2006.04.02 12:28:00 -
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I've never had a bad engagement with RAT.
They arent afraid t fight at close range, and they are good at it.
Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside
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Montero
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Posted - 2006.04.02 12:38:00 -
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Black Omega ofc. 
but i'd actualy go with RAT. fitting 20 stabs and a million jammers doesnt make me respect anyone. RAT fight hard, fight fair and more to the point, always fight.
Keep profanity & moderation discussion out of your sig, please. --Jorauk
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2006.04.02 13:18:00 -
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Actually Black Omega is very good at skirmish warfare. And E-R, M4ZA, Black Lance and S.A.S. are all very good at it skirmish warfare. And I can say that objectively. Their numbers all prove it.
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2006.04.02 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Crellion
RAT
Trully awfull... yes the number one.
Good at snipping mini fleets but when you outdo them at their game they logg off. Generally spending most of their time logged off in like 10 Temprests and have 3-4 Rifters (cant they afford ceptors?) running here and there looking for a small target for the 10 Tempests to log in and pown. Get 5 Megas together and the 10 Tempests logg off again. Pffft (and I say that not having had any losses to them personally, only kills I think... but it is simply .... not fun.) Sorry guys truth is truth...
If someone smacking you, then you are doing everything right. Please, check RED kb, how we are logging off  . 1 question. Why you need to call Lotka Volterra, if you allready outnumbered us by 10 battleships ?
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slothe
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Posted - 2006.04.02 13:46:00 -
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Edited by: slothe on 02/04/2006 13:48:43
s.a.s - tend to gank using ss near gates with cloaker scouts. a good bunch.
fate - are they good? they tend to lose a lot of hacs in our space (props to them tho they arent afraid to fight eg suicide phhons with sb jumping into our camps)
burn eden - good i believe but impossible to catch?
rat - have an awesome reputation. russians just sound mean.
euphoria released - prob the best skirmish warfare pilots ive come across.
kabelevsky- effective i guess but high speed vagabonds are annoying imo.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.04.02 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: King Dave
'The establishment' is the best at small scale skirmishes, they're constantly onform, unlike RAT who sometimes have off days. If you'd ever flown with Est. you'd know theres no other team out there which are so well organised.
This is very true. They are a extremely capable for a small corporation and we always enjoy their visits to us, if only to see what faction ships they are flying each time.
However, their local smack lets them down.
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Exelsior
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Posted - 2006.04.02 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kinsy
E-R's jamming power would make baby jesus cry, but his tear ducts are jammed
Lol
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Ange1
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Posted - 2006.04.02 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: Ange1 on 02/04/2006 15:46:06
Originally by: Butter Dog
This is very true. They are a extremely capable for a small corporation and we always enjoy their visits to us, if only to see what faction ships they are flying each time.
However, their local smack lets them down.
The Establishment thanks you for your kind words, though we frown on the smack statement. Speaking personally, we always try to avoid smack, even to those being rude to us. We are occasionally silly and immature, but this is not usually intended as a means of insult. If we are insulting, its usually because we've been insulted first. Either way, I apologise if any smack has occured.
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Trepkos
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Posted - 2006.04.02 16:00:00 -
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Im going to do this again.
RAT. - Merely on coordination and skill.
SAS - When I fought them and with them, they were a small bunch of really refined PVP specialists. Dont really know much about them now.
Cult Of Cthulhu - Probably the best solo pvpers all grouped up into one corporation.
Fate., or The Establishment? I haven't really seen them in combat so I wouldn't really know.
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.04.02 16:01:00 -
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ASCN - The way their frigfleets kamikaze on our missiles is horrifying.
We can't afford to keep buying more and more missiles only to have them destroyed by ASCN frigs!
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Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.04.02 16:24:00 -
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RAT do need a mention, these guys are not at all stupid (even tho now and again an FC will think they are  ). They go around in gangs properly setup and with a purpose, unfortunately against us they're normally outnumbered so they go around in sniping gangs with covert ops, It's annoying/lame/whatever, but they do it and they do it well.
RAT obviously make sure everyone has the right skills and fittings to be effective and they hit and run, it works for them. The log on traps still leave a bitter taste tho.
As for what et said to crell, calling in LV, I'm not sure what engagement you talk of, but there's little point in saying "omg you outnumber us" if we have 10 shortrange bs and you have 5 bs sitting on 180km..
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2006.04.02 16:34:00 -
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Cult of Cthulu is ace.
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neur0n
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Posted - 2006.04.02 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: neur0n on 02/04/2006 16:41:52
RAT. and Cult of Cthulhu, best at what they do imo.
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Spartan239
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Posted - 2006.04.02 16:41:00 -
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evil thug ftw
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DeWieKat
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Posted - 2006.04.02 17:37:00 -
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shinra/reikoku/bnc - always fun to fight against imho.
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Montero
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Posted - 2006.04.02 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: DeWieKat
shinra/reikoku/bnc - always fun to fight against imho.
good pilots, but i wouldnt describe them as skirmishers.
Keep profanity & moderation discussion out of your sig, please. --Jorauk
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riker
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Posted - 2006.04.02 17:49:00 -
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Sp4nk good at small fire fights corp is made out of old GNW vets. |
LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.04.02 17:52:00 -
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anything that uses more than 2 wcs.
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SLIM
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Posted - 2006.04.02 18:03:00 -
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Have not fought a lot of the northern lot, but the best skirmishers i have ever encountered are definitely CoC. I first saw them up in Venal, and that was nigh on two years ago. Never seem to have a bad moment. And, they made the dominix documentary!
I've seen the priory and the establishment around a bit as well, and they seem quite on their game.
For most annoying, that's easy. Burn Eden/Penetrate. Eve's equivalent of bunny hopping awpers. Except, of course, bunny hopping awpers usually have more skill.
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Amerame
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Posted - 2006.04.02 18:28:00 -
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I'm not sure RAT qualify as a skirmish warfare corporation, they are a military powerhouse that very few corporations in Eve can match, if any, they take on medium sized alliance fleets.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2006.04.02 18:36:00 -
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Ive always considered (bias aside) that the MC is possibly the best "small gang" hunters in the game. 80% of our kills are from roaming squads and i doubt there is any other alliance that covers the sort of ground the MC does on a daily basis
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DeMundus
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Posted - 2006.04.02 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: DeMundus on 02/04/2006 19:44:31
ATUK - You will get ganked.
Shinra - "Karma police"
EDIT: Are we talking small corps here?
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Rawthorm
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Posted - 2006.04.02 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
Ive always considered (bias aside) that the MC is possibly the best "small gang" hunters in the game. 80% of our kills are from roaming squads and i doubt there is any other alliance that covers the sort of ground the MC does on a daily basis
While no one doubts MC ability and coverage, you guys have the ability to form up your many roaming squads when you actualy face a threat because of your huge overall number.
Im my mind, masters of Skirmish warfare are so because it is their way of life. They have no backup 10 jumps away, and they fight against the odds with what they have at hand and i've seen very few corps that fit to that critera.
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2006.04.02 20:47:00 -
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Of the people I and or Huzzah have have fought I would say RAT, The Priory and Cult of Cthulhu are good and fun to fight, you know your game has improved when you start getting some kills against them. Euphoria Released have recently been in our neck of the woods and so far they have been impressive.
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Baun
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Posted - 2006.04.02 20:59:00 -
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E-R and RAT. Also anything lead by Miz when he isn't self destructive ;p.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.04.03 00:49:00 -
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The last people I liked fighting was back in SA, and those were CA. Everything after that has just either been blob-tastic or pathetic.
Well.. Botox Bandits get second place cause they were so vulnerable when they npced
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2006.04.03 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
Ive always considered (bias aside) that the MC is possibly the best "small gang" hunters in the game. 80% of our kills are from roaming squads and i doubt there is any other alliance that covers the sort of ground the MC does on a daily basis
I haven't fought against MC since I was back in Xetic. But they fought very well in tight, disciplined gangs in empire.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.04.03 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Masta Killa
The last people I liked fighting was back in SA, and those were CA. Everything after that has just either been blob-tastic or pathetic.
Well.. Botox Bandits get second place cause they were so vulnerable when they npced
Before anyone else says it I will. LOL at a burn Eden pilot calling others fighting style pathetic.
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Gitt
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Posted - 2006.04.03 01:46:00 -
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S.P.4.N.K. nuff said!
Gitt
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Cerridwehn Odessa
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Posted - 2006.04.03 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Masta Killa
The last people I liked fighting was back in SA, and those were CA. Everything after that has just either been blob-tastic or pathetic.
Well.. Botox Bandits get second place cause they were so vulnerable when they npced
Before anyone else says it I will. LOL at a burn Eden pilot calling others fighting style pathetic.
Masta isnt really BE. Sure he wearst he tag, he's just really a wanabe who will just copy their play styles. He wasn't very good anyways before that.. suprised they let him in.
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2006.04.03 05:56:00 -
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I've never actually had a corporation that I was scared to engage...
However, some corporations annoy me so much that I won't engage them. BE for example...
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Mindlles
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Posted - 2006.04.03 06:14:00 -
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Rat is getting alot off lub in this post, well they are pretty good, and who really want to fight 10x sniping tempests :P.
I would say xenobytes, their fleet tactic was very smart, and used it very smart and deadly.
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Insane Asylum
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Posted - 2006.04.03 06:17:00 -
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In it's prime, The Royal Syndicate was a pretty tough squad.
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cosmo chic
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Posted - 2006.04.03 07:26:00 -
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guaristas or how ever you spell it they kick butt on every mission it seems. ;}
Alliance/corporations = politics and war
politics and war = smacking and loss of ships
smacking and loss of ships = eve
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Sekas
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Posted - 2006.04.03 07:51:00 -
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Edited by: Sekas on 03/04/2006 07:51:12
With out a doubt, the old time Jokers.
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Ebedar
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Posted - 2006.04.03 08:28:00 -
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@ The OP - how are you defining skirmish warfare?
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Phonix
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Posted - 2006.04.03 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
anything that uses more than 2 wcs.
I find it quite funny that you put a limit on them. 1 stab is just as bad as 4-8.
I also agree with Sekas, Joker's
Present time in EVE, I would say x13. Heard some good things about them .
I also hear E-R are heavy on ECM, but dont have experiance against them yet, 
As for stab *****s? I do not respect them nor do I think that involes skill.
CEO of Fate
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Magic Trev
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Posted - 2006.04.03 11:12:00 -
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until you pit the corps against each other i dont think you can really say a faourite.
though im unsure about their style of play i have to take my hat off to BE - they do what they do and they do it well 
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.04.03 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Phonix
Originally by: LUKEC
anything that uses more than 2 wcs.
I find it quite funny that you put a limit on them. 1 stab is just as bad as 4-8.
I also agree with Sekas, Joker's
Present time in EVE, I would say x13. Heard some good things about them .
I also hear E-R are heavy on ECM, but dont have experiance against them yet,
As for stab *****s? I do not respect them nor do I think that involes skill.
2 is magic number for me... many ppl tasted it.
Actually it is because most friggie tacklers cannot fit more than -4, so 2 is sort of limit, as dedicated tacklers usually have 1 short & 1 long scram.
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Ben Derindar
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Posted - 2006.04.03 11:31:00 -
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Hmmm...
DNA in Syndicate back in the day, for all the right reasons.
Burn Eden for all the wrong reasons.
/Ben
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Dracolich
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Posted - 2006.04.03 13:46:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Eyeshadow
Ive always considered (bias aside) that the MC is possibly the best "small gang" hunters in the game. 80% of our kills are from roaming squads and i doubt there is any other alliance that covers the sort of ground the MC does on a daily basis
I totally agree. The tactics and strategies used within this alliance is 2nd to none. That aside, I still can't believe that none other than I have mentioned Celestial Apocalypse, but maybe I don't understand what skirmishes covers...
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Galantress
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Posted - 2006.04.03 14:11:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Rawthorm
Im my mind, masters of Skirmish warfare are so because it is their way of life. They have no backup 10 jumps away, and they fight against the odds with what they have at hand and i've seen very few corps that fit to that critera.
I don't want to state we are the uber pvp corp (counting on Uggie to do so) but the above describes fully the way we operate in Beyond Divinity.
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.04.03 14:24:00 -
[82]
Cosmic Fusion.
Awesome team of
Drunk, Max and G0o heavy hitting
with benwallace, me (), wizie, iggs getting all close and personal
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T'namo Celai
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Posted - 2006.04.03 15:24:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Galantress
I don't want to state we are the uber pvp corp (counting on Uggie to do so) but the above describes fully the way we operate in Beyond Divinity.
I thought you guys were BWF (big blue) residents?
Ah well.. I must be mistaken by that.
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Omeega
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Posted - 2006.04.03 15:38:00 -
[84]
+ thanks for the warm words x)
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Omeega
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Posted - 2006.04.03 15:38:00 -
[85]
Two things
1) I BE NOT RUSSIAN
2) ETHUG IS MY ALT
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And the winner was Hast's mining corporation. ebil ebil ebil.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.04.03 15:51:00 -
[86]
Edited by: welsh wizard on 03/04/2006 15:51:43
Originally by: Dracolich
Originally by: Eyeshadow
Ive always considered (bias aside) that the MC is possibly the best "small gang" hunters in the game. 80% of our kills are from roaming squads and i doubt there is any other alliance that covers the sort of ground the MC does on a daily basis
I totally agree. The tactics and strategies used within this alliance is 2nd to none. That aside, I still can't believe that none other than I have mentioned Celestial Apocalypse, but maybe I don't understand what skirmishes covers...
The majority of the regular forum posters are 5/BoB/FE/ASCN/sympathisers. Most of them won't be caught dead giving us praise.
ER know what they're doing in small scale engagements. They're the only corp to give us any trouble in the last 6 months tbh
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BlackDog Rackh'am
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Posted - 2006.04.03 17:09:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Rawthorm
Im my mind, masters of Skirmish warfare are so because it is their way of life. They have no backup 10 jumps away, and they fight against the odds with what they have at hand and i've seen very few corps that fit to that critera.
I totally agree. A pure skirmish specialist is one that is FORCED to operate this way. Even cheap ships are valuable to you, wether because of limited funds or the possibility of loosing a couple of t1 cruisers spelling the end of roaming for the evening, simply due to the number of jumps involved to get in a new ship. Operating 20-30 jumps behind the front lines, consequently away from any real resupply points, against alliances that can shoot a staging-point POS you might set up to bits in a few hours, etc.
All this means that you are outnumbered,outgunned and reduced to logging off in safespots if you don't fancy doing the 40-60 odd jumps to and from your base every evening, with all the dangers and limitations this brings (aggro timer etc). It also means you must always be wary of possible enemy reinfocements, as the usual ratio you get is your 5-10 man gang against a local of 10-20 hostiles at best. They might be AFK in a station, or they might undock in a nice mixed fleet and kick you all over the place.
And that is why it's so much fun to play this way. Oh, and we have Dahin, he's a win button
Originally by: Black Lotus
I vote u for KIA spokesperson.
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Snake Jankins
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Posted - 2006.04.03 19:27:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Snake Jankins on 03/04/2006 19:38:07
Originally by: Rawthorm
Originally by: Eyeshadow
Ive always considered (bias aside) that the MC is possibly the best "small gang" hunters in the game. 80% of our kills are from roaming squads and i doubt there is any other alliance that covers the sort of ground the MC does on a daily basis
While no one doubts MC ability and coverage, you guys have the ability to form up your many roaming squads when you actualy face a threat because of your huge overall number.
Well I've seen or almost seen (lol) them in action in a small gang a few days ago and they were quite deadly.
Situation:
We had a little gate camp in 0.0 like 2 bs + frigs and cruisers, MC was in the neighboring system, we had the same targets. At some point we heard of a superior enemy gang that was heading towards us, probably to take out our gate camp.
So we told MC about what was coming. Our intention was to engage with them together, but they just passed by and headed towards the enemies without telling us something.
We thought: 'wtf, what are they doing ?' and when found them at a gate and most of us arrived, they had already ripped apart the whole enemy fleet in close range, afaik with now losses, although they were less people.
I only saw enemy pods. After that we were all wondering about how fast they killed everyone. Was really impressing.
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TylerJames
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Posted - 2006.04.03 22:29:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Zaphod Jones
Wherever Kabalevsky is currently
Agreed.
I think this goes back to the days in CFS fighting FA. We were almost always outnumbered, so everyone fought the only way we could.
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Shiwan Khan
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Posted - 2006.04.03 22:31:00 -
[90]
am i the only one that thinks its sad how all of these bob members think that their corps are uberl33t and that no one can touch them so they vote for their own corp and talk it up? lol
"TO THETR DRUMNBS OF WAR WET GHO" - Buddrow
2005.06.17 07:15:13 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer
Artillery II perfectly strikes Nebba Kenezzer [SNRA], wrecking for 2250.9 damage. |
Carth Jared
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Posted - 2006.04.03 23:10:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Shiwan Khan
am i the only one that thinks its sad how all of these bob members think that their corps are uberl33t and that no one can touch them so they vote for their own corp and talk it up? lol
all these bob members?
Im counting two bob ppl praising their own corp/alliance. And its funny that you specifically pick out bob when theres a feckload of people from different alliances/corps doing the exact same thing.
Way to go fanboi...
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2006.04.03 23:11:00 -
[92]
Temporary Insanity > All tbh
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.04.03 23:20:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Shiwan Khan
am i the only one that thinks its sad how all of these bob members think that their corps are uberl33t and that no one can touch them so they vote for their own corp and talk it up? lol
Err... one member, magickangeroo on the first page. What are you on about Shiwan?
Eve Blacklight Style
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.04.04 01:41:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Raznarok
 DNA
Finite Horizon
Sure some of DNA have joined Finite Horizon, not that I'm scared of either corp but heh they kick a5s.
Pretty much all of DNA are in BNC now.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Raznarok
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Posted - 2006.04.04 01:41:00 -
[95]
DNA
Finite Horizon
Sure some of DNA have joined Finite Horizon, not that I'm scared of either corp but heh they kick a5s.
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Rael Anshak
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Posted - 2006.04.04 01:53:00 -
[96]
Celes are pretty good
Finite Horizon, as said by dark shakiri have such deep pockets and good skills that they're godly in small gangs.
Also stain empire have some pretty good tactics as far as small gang warfare goes.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2006.04.04 04:46:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Shiwan Khan
am i the only one that thinks its sad how all of these bob members think that their corps are uberl33t and that no one can touch them so they vote for their own corp and talk it up? lol
Err... one member, magickangeroo on the first page. What are you on about Shiwan?
He's just peewed nobody is voting for VOTF.
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2006.04.04 04:57:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Luc Boye
Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Shiwan Khan
am i the only one that thinks its sad how all of these bob members think that their corps are uberl33t and that no one can touch them so they vote for their own corp and talk it up? lol
Err... one member, magickangeroo on the first page. What are you on about Shiwan?
He's just peewed nobody is voting for VOTF.
Veld roids can't type.
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Done is done
Yes, there will be no taking back
Every journey must come to an end
All hail to the Gunslinger
Beyond our reach, out of control |
Zysco
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Posted - 2006.04.04 05:04:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Zysco on 04/04/2006 05:04:52
Edited by: Zysco on 04/04/2006 05:04:09
Originally by: Blacklight
Pretty much all of DNA are in BNC now.
I hate BoB, everyone joins you 
Originally by: Luc Boye
He's just peewed nobody is voting for VOTF.
For that to happen first VOTF will have to stop fitting 250 IIs (once again, the worst gun in eve) on every single ship no mater the size. Xirts 250 II prophecys are my personal favorite... nothing like a BC that is outdamaged by frigs.
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putukas
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Posted - 2006.04.04 06:36:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Amerame
I'm not sure RAT qualify as a skirmish warfare corporation, they are a military powerhouse that very few corporations in Eve can match, if any, they take on medium sized alliance fleets.
Whats with the RAT here RAT there, i think i have met them in fight only one time and then they were also ganged with red alliance. I quoted your post because i had much better fights with Section XIII then RAT.
Originally by: Evil Thug
If someone smacking you, then you are doing everything right. Please, check RED kb, how we are logging off . 1 question. Why you need to call Lotka Volterra, if you allready outnumbered us by 10 battleships ?
what should we check on red killboard? how RATs kill our miners and npc hunters in GW and then log off :P ? There has not been any real fights between V and RAT as far as i know.
we didnt call LV for help thats for sure.
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Ajaya
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Posted - 2006.04.04 07:37:00 -
[101]
Goonfleet. Hands down. |
Crax McGee
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Posted - 2006.04.04 07:55:00 -
[102]
Kabalevsky - With Jeagerx and Kin'tarr There the best at skirmish warfare.
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.04.04 08:04:00 -
[103]
When we fought FNZ, I could see how they could walk circles around most normal corps. Didn't work on us tho.
4s fought to win, so I like them for that. We still beat them too tho.
The only corp that has ever given us a hard time has been CELES. We are still ahead of them too tho .
CELES are my fav now. Even tho they are our oldest enemies, they seem to have underdog status in the face of the l33t crew now, and eveyone loves an underdog.
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dalman
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Posted - 2006.04.04 08:36:00 -
[104]
Hmm.
That Shiwan singled out BoB here is a bit stupid as the same goes for alot others who are kinda disgusting when they say their own corps.
BoB is a good example though. When I look at BoB I see alot of really good players. But a whole lot of 'n00bs' as well. Really no different from any other corps.
Their strength is in good FCs and exceptional team work - rather the complete opposite to what this topic is about.
Most established corps can field a group of players that are outstanding at skirmish warfare - but that doesn't make the corp a subject for this topic IMO.
So, here we're looking for corps where the average member is high above the normal player in skillpoints and experience, with the isk to back that up with worthy modules, and a really good knowledge about the corpmates to function as a group in combat. And that really only leaves a few corps standing out.
Like Cult of Cthulu. Finite Horizon I guess. And a few others.
Am I forced to have any regret?
I've become the lie, beautiful and free
In my righteous own mind
I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
Evil Thug
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Posted - 2006.04.04 09:07:00 -
[105]
Originally by: putukas
Originally by: Amerame
I'm not sure RAT qualify as a skirmish warfare corporation, they are a military powerhouse that very few corporations in Eve can match, if any, they take on medium sized alliance fleets.
Whats with the RAT here RAT there, i think i have met them in fight only one time and then they were also ganged with red alliance. I quoted your post because i had much better fights with Section XIII then RAT.
Originally by: Evil Thug
If someone smacking you, then you are doing everything right. Please, check RED kb, how we are logging off . 1 question. Why you need to call Lotka Volterra, if you allready outnumbered us by 10 battleships ?
what should we check on red killboard? how RATs kill our miners and npc hunters in GW and then log off :P ? There has not been any real fights between V and RAT as far as i know.
we didnt call LV for help thats for sure.
Hint hint. veritas kb -> fleet battles -> battle of K-Z. Enjoy.
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Logged in a system, next to you =) |
Skelator
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Posted - 2006.04.04 09:16:00 -
[106]
Chode, Digital, Viceroy and any gang they fly in You always guarenteed a Blast!!!!!
Odet and the old RS boys.
Shivaja and any group he leads..
Miz when hes in a hunter killer group hes pretty lethal.
My Corp when we can all get together in one place LOL Damn RL.
They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards |
Gissa
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Posted - 2006.04.04 10:01:00 -
[107]
Thanks for the replies guys.
Seems that even thoguh there a a lot of corporations out there, some of them get to be mentioned in this thread more than once.
Short list will be:
Burn Eden
Finite Horizon
RAT
BMC
Fate
E-R
The Establishment
Celes
SAS
Cult of Chutulu
MC and BoB, IMO fell out of this category.
And also, they are mostly mentioned by their own alliance members or corp mates
So next step. Put above mentioned corps in to your top 10 favourite skirmish warfare corps.
My list would be:
1. RAT
2. Burn Eden
3. E-R
4. Finite horizon
5. Celes
6. SAS
7. Cult of Chutulu
8. Fate
9. The Establishment
10. BMC
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.04.04 10:05:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Ajaya
Goonfleet. Hands down.
1000 t1 frigs cant be considered 'skirmish' warefare...
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.04.04 10:08:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Gissa
Thanks for the replies guys.
Seems that even thoguh there a a lot of corporations out there, some of them get to be mentioned in this thread more than once.
Short list will be:
Burn Eden
Finite Horizon
RAT
BMC
Fate
E-R
The Establishment
Celes
SAS
Cult of Chutulu
MC and BoB, IMO fell out of this category.
And also, they are mostly mentioned by their own alliance members or corp mates
So next step. Put above mentioned corps in to your top 10 favourite skirmish warfare corps.
My list would be:
1. RAT
2. Burn Eden
3. E-R
4. Finite horizon
5. Celes
6. SAS
7. Cult of Chutulu
8. Fate
9. The Establishment
10. BMC
how are you defining skirmish warfare?
skir+mish ( P ) Pronunciation Key (skvrmsh)
n.
A minor battle in war, as one between small forces or between large forces avoiding direct conflict.
A minor or preliminary conflict or dispute: a skirmish over the rules before the debate began
explain
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Mr Trouble
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Posted - 2006.04.04 10:34:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Laythun
how are you defining skirmish warfare?
skir+mish ( P ) Pronunciation Key (skvrmsh)
n.
A minor battle in war, as one between small forces or between large forces avoiding direct conflict.
A minor or preliminary conflict or dispute: a skirmish over the rules before the debate began
explain
Well according to the definition you have provided, T1 frigate gangs are the perfect embodiment of 'skirmish warfare' - warp in, kill primary, warp out.
Deadly, effective, fun, and they don't drop any worthwhile loot, making them incredibly frustrating to fight. A HAC lost to a T1 frig gang is not a happy HAC.
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Faruda
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Posted - 2006.04.04 10:37:00 -
[111]
RAT, for sure. Aggressive, well organized, pure PvP and very-very dangerous. And very revengful.
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2006.04.04 10:44:00 -
[112]
Skirmish warfare would be gangs typically less then 20 man.
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Done is done
Yes, there will be no taking back
Every journey must come to an end
All hail to the Gunslinger
Beyond our reach, out of control |
Viper RAM
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Posted - 2006.04.04 10:58:00 -
[113]
Old Delta Team hit squad.
10 battleships in a fast 25 jumps movement along an enemy deep teritory could be the reason of call to arms to most of the alliances. I still remember incursions when awalance was almost drunk and try to keep us on the right track :)
I saw movements in delta's small squads like never elsewhere in eve...
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Just when you think things cant get any weirder, they do.
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Vile rat
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Posted - 2006.04.04 11:12:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Laythun
Originally by: Ajaya
Goonfleet. Hands down.
1000 t1 frigs cant be considered 'skirmish' warefare...
I just bought a Cruiser so you better watch out buddy.
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Glass Eye
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Posted - 2006.04.04 11:15:00 -
[115]
old player coming back with new account
curious if anyone has truly replaced m0o?
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2006.04.04 17:05:00 -
[116]
Why not organize a tourney where small gangs can fight each other and settle the matter... lets call it caldari pvp championship. Winners can get cool rewards and stuff... Oh wait.
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Emno
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Posted - 2006.04.04 17:11:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Luc Boye
Why not organize a tourney where small gangs can fight each other and settle the matter... lets call it caldari pvp championship. Winners can get cool rewards and stuff... Oh wait.
no non-alliance pvp corps were in that and the cnr was the right tool for the job then and a raven is hardly a ship thats player skill heavy
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.04.04 17:21:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Luc Boye
Why not organize a tourney where small gangs can fight each other and settle the matter... lets call it caldari pvp championship. Winners can get cool rewards and stuff... Oh wait.
Everyone was not allowed to enter that tournament. It was also a structured tournament with pre-set ship classes and rules. It was hardly a measuring stick for the best skirmish warriors. There are so many skilled fighters out there as well as different types of gang compositions. What you saw in that tourny was not a skirmish.
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2006.04.04 17:29:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Raid
Originally by: Luc Boye
Why not organize a tourney where small gangs can fight each other and settle the matter... lets call it caldari pvp championship. Winners can get cool rewards and stuff... Oh wait.
Everyone was not allowed to enter that tournament. It was also a structured tournament with pre-set ship classes and rules. It was hardly a measuring stick for the best skirmish warriors. There are so many skilled fighters out there as well as different types of gang compositions. What you saw in that tourny was not a skirmish.
Wasn't really aware of the fact that not everybody could apply, what was the reasoning behind that?
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Emno
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Posted - 2006.04.04 17:31:00 -
[120]
Edited by: Emno on 04/04/2006 17:31:00
Originally by: Luc Boye
Originally by: Raid
Originally by: Luc Boye
Why not organize a tourney where small gangs can fight each other and settle the matter... lets call it caldari pvp championship. Winners can get cool rewards and stuff... Oh wait.
Everyone was not allowed to enter that tournament. It was also a structured tournament with pre-set ship classes and rules. It was hardly a measuring stick for the best skirmish warriors. There are so many skilled fighters out there as well as different types of gang compositions. What you saw in that tourny was not a skirmish.
Wasn't really aware of the fact that not everybody could apply, what was the reasoning behind that?
was done in a hurry afaik sorting out who could join from all the corps in eve would take months so it was just alliances that were allowed to apply
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.04.04 18:49:00 -
[121]
Edited by: Raid on 04/04/2006 18:50:28
Originally by: Emno
Edited by: Emno on 04/04/2006 17:31:00
Originally by: Luc Boye
Originally by: Raid
Originally by: Luc Boye
Why not organize a tourney where small gangs can fight each other and settle the matter... lets call it caldari pvp championship. Winners can get cool rewards and stuff... Oh wait.
Everyone was not allowed to enter that tournament. It was also a structured tournament with pre-set ship classes and rules. It was hardly a measuring stick for the best skirmish warriors. There are so many skilled fighters out there as well as different types of gang compositions. What you saw in that tourny was not a skirmish.
Wasn't really aware of the fact that not everybody could apply, what was the reasoning behind that?
was done in a hurry afaik sorting out who could join from all the corps in eve would take months so it was just alliances that were allowed to apply
I think the biggest limitation was it was an alliance tournament. So only alliances could enter not corporations. After that you had to be an alliance of a specific size. Afte much complaining the size was increased but still only alliances could enter. There are plenty of talented corps out there that could have won that, but they simply could no enter.
oh well. Its not like they would have used the mothership as effectivly as an alliance, but still... no oportunity to enter.
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
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Omeega
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Posted - 2006.04.04 19:50:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: putukas
Originally by: Amerame
I'm not sure RAT qualify as a skirmish warfare corporation, they are a military powerhouse that very few corporations in Eve can match, if any, they take on medium sized alliance fleets.
Whats with the RAT here RAT there, i think i have met them in fight only one time and then they were also ganged with red alliance. I quoted your post because i had much better fights with Section XIII then RAT.
Originally by: Evil Thug
If someone smacking you, then you are doing everything right. Please, check RED kb, how we are logging off . 1 question. Why you need to call Lotka Volterra, if you allready outnumbered us by 10 battleships ?
what should we check on red killboard? how RATs kill our miners and npc hunters in GW and then log off :P ? There has not been any real fights between V and RAT as far as i know.
we didnt call LV for help thats for sure.
Hint hint. veritas kb -> fleet battles -> battle of K-Z. Enjoy.
GREAT! now he won't sleep tonight!
You're a real ba**ard when you want to ET X)
I ♥ u (and Hast too)
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Ribbo
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Posted - 2006.04.04 20:21:00 -
[123]
d.n.a for me tbh and now we've got a few of them in bnc im in hero worshipping mode tbh.
i also enjoy fighting shivaja's lot i wish they would get a little more confident and move away from npc stations more tho :(
- fanboi'ing eve-celebrities the world over. |
Hamatitio
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Posted - 2006.04.04 21:32:00 -
[124]
All y'all southerners.
Come up to the real PvP cardinal direction.
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I Post on the forums for Fate. Im cool.
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.04.04 21:42:00 -
[125]
I've heard rumours of a corporation pvp contest this summer.
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danneh
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Posted - 2006.04.04 22:04:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Shin Ra
I've heard rumours of a corporation pvp contest this summer.
Hope so.
Contraband Inc |
Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.04.04 23:14:00 -
[127]
Originally by: danneh
Originally by: Shin Ra
I've heard rumours of a corporation pvp contest this summer.
Hope so.
Logging off 2 chars in bs's in a roid belt and both being owned by Cope & friends means you can't compete afaik.
Ps. Yay I'm bored
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.04.05 07:45:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Masta Killa
Originally by: danneh
Originally by: Shin Ra
I've heard rumours of a corporation pvp contest this summer.
Hope so.
Logging off 2 chars in bs's in a roid belt and both being owned by Cope & friends means you can't compete afaik.
Ps. Yay I'm bored
LOL!
That does bring up an interesting point.
Were that competition to go ahead, how on earth would CCP choose candidates? Most of these pvp corps mentioned are quite small, so there would have to be some sort of nominations I guess. But again that would screw over the non-forum whoring corps.
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Tiwaz
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Posted - 2006.04.05 10:15:00 -
[129]
We have fought nearly all, if not all, on Gissa's shortlist of good pvp corps. RAT/RA part of the old CA was/is very good.
In the SE/SA wars, LD's corp comes to mind and so do Xenobytes. the bob corps are good and often have good numbers to win the day.
MC kicked our ass (we were low on numbers tho )
Piratewise Forsaken empire corp showed the way, with some good fights.
The teddys are l33t ecm users and so are ER.
Who win or loose are often a matter of luck and the opponets will to fight, even a battle that is often lost in advance
Overall the corps that wants to fight and not just win, is my favorite. They make the game fun.
tiwaz
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Max Teranous
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Posted - 2006.04.05 14:29:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Shin Ra
LOL!
That does bring up an interesting point.
Were that competition to go ahead, how on earth would CCP choose candidates? Most of these pvp corps mentioned are quite small, so there would have to be some sort of nominations I guess. But again that would screw over the non-forum whoring corps.
If it were CCP organised, they could datamine the kill stats and send invites to the CEO's of, say the best 32 or 64 killer Corps. Although how you specifically define "best" is anyones guess !
Max
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Spacearoni
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Posted - 2006.04.05 23:18:00 -
[131]
T.R.S..........................................................................4tw
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FooB2
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Posted - 2006.04.05 23:28:00 -
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ME. NFUFF DASID
ILL PWNSZ YOU AL L IN MYIBSI OF DOOOM. YHEAHS
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danneh
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Posted - 2006.04.06 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Masta Killa
Originally by: danneh
Originally by: Shin Ra
I've heard rumours of a corporation pvp contest this summer.
Hope so.
Logging off 2 chars in bs's in a roid belt and both being owned by Cope & friends means you can't compete afaik.
Ps. Yay I'm bored
Computer issues, i'm pretty sure i could have warped off during their 50 au warp, but hey thanks for the flames, thats the only thing you are good for these days.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.04.06 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Masta Killa
Originally by: danneh
Originally by: Shin Ra
I've heard rumours of a corporation pvp contest this summer.
Hope so.
Logging off 2 chars in bs's in a roid belt and both being owned by Cope & friends means you can't compete afaik.
Ps. Yay I'm bored
LOL!
That does bring up an interesting point.
Were that competition to go ahead, how on earth would CCP choose candidates? Most of these pvp corps mentioned are quite small, so there would have to be some sort of nominations I guess. But again that would screw over the non-forum whoring corps.
Ya good point. If they choose based on size, I doubt any of the corps mentioned here wil even get in. You might see corp that are largely industry in the compitition.
Or by kill count, well then FATE might not make it, even though we've been mention in this thread several times, we are still new. And also going by kill count, you may leave some of the smaller corps out of the loop again, even if they are very good.
Kill's per member? Well then you might see a couple empire sniping corps in as well, ahead of other, more deserving corps. I know of a couple small corps who snipe 0.4 systems, and FATE's kills don't compare at all in numbers.
Kill to death ratio? Err again you get sniper corps in. And kill to death ratio isn't a good measure of how well a corp performs. We've warped in against 4:1 odds, come out even, and I can say thats an impresive show by most standerds, but our kill to death ratio sucks for that enagement. And with out naming names, I know of a couple corps who's k:d must be very high, but they flat out suck at PVP, they just gank and gank.
Forum nominations: As shinra said, you may risk leaving out the non-forum corps.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.04.06 00:35:00 -
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"That does bring up an interesting point.
Were that competition to go ahead, how on earth would CCP choose candidates? Most of these pvp corps mentioned are quite small, so there would have to be some sort of nominations I guess. But again that would screw over the non-forum whoring corps."
Probably open sign-ups and then random matches in enough elimination rounds to weed out most wanna-be competitors... if they make similar rules to ones in the alliance competition, this is likely to weed out quite a few people from the very start -- the idea of losing multiple ships in each elimination/round can make plenty think twice.
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.04.06 00:44:00 -
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Open signups for every corp in eve sounds unlikely tbh.
Too big, too complicated.
I'm guessing the corps who yap the most on the forums will be picked
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.04.06 00:47:00 -
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If they do do it I hope the first rule is 'No jamming'.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.04.06 00:59:00 -
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"Open signups for every corp in eve sounds unlikely tbh.
Too big, too complicated."
Well, am thinking there isn't really that many corps in EVE determined enough to compete.. but perhaps they could just put a limit of i dunno, 128 corporations and register them on first come - first serve basis. Or something. Then it wouldn't take too long to put them through eliminations if they're kept with reasonable time limit per match... o.O;
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jamesw
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Posted - 2006.04.06 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard
If they do do it I hope the first rule is 'No jamming'.
My ultimate PVP comp rules:
- 4vs4
- 1 very small system, (say maximum 5 warpable objects)
- No safespotting allowed.
- Anything goes - jamming, warping about etc.
- Central "Beacon" (aka flag).
After a 5 minute timer, the side with more ships under 15k from the flag wins. Any active combat at the flag extends the timer.
It becomes a real test of scanning, tackling, tactics and quick thinking - and not just who has the better dps. A real test of skirmish ability.
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Baun
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Posted - 2006.04.06 02:44:00 -
[140]
Originally by: jamesw
Originally by: welsh wizard
If they do do it I hope the first rule is 'No jamming'.
My ultimate PVP comp rules:
- 4vs4
- 1 very small system, (say maximum 5 warpable objects)
- No safespotting allowed.
- Anything goes - jamming, warping about etc.
- Central "Beacon" (aka flag).
After a 5 minute timer, the side with more ships under 15k from the flag wins. Any active combat at the flag extends the timer.
It becomes a real test of scanning, tackling, tactics and quick thinking - and not just who has the better dps. A real test of skirmish ability.
Sounds interesting. If people actually tried to be smart and play range games with high DPS opponents who camp the beacon then it might work ..... but I think that most of the time it would devolve into one large battle starting about 1minute before the timer ended.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.04.06 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: jamesw
Originally by: welsh wizard
If they do do it I hope the first rule is 'No jamming'.
My ultimate PVP comp rules:
- 4vs4
- 1 very small system, (say maximum 5 warpable objects)
- No safespotting allowed.
- Anything goes - jamming, warping about etc.
- Central "Beacon" (aka flag).
After a 5 minute timer, the side with more ships under 15k from the flag wins. Any active combat at the flag extends the timer.
It becomes a real test of scanning, tackling, tactics and quick thinking - and not just who has the better dps. A real test of skirmish ability.
/me drools
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2006.04.06 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard
If they do do it I hope the first rule is 'No jamming'.
Heheh Jamming is a mod like a gun or a dmg modifier..
Dont know why people got so big props with jamming..
If you dont like to get jammed counter it with backups..
Also jammers are not like the win button you have to sacrifice something to fit them and they do fail alot and are pratical useless when that happend..
PVP is not just lock and shoot.. there is alot of other things to consider and that it what makes pvp fun
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Baun
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Posted - 2006.04.06 03:14:00 -
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Edited by: Baun on 06/04/2006 03:14:42
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood
Originally by: welsh wizard
If they do do it I hope the first rule is 'No jamming'.
Heheh Jamming is a mod like a gun or a dmg modifier..
Dont know why people got so big props with jamming..
If you dont like to get jammed counter it with backups..
Also jammers are not like the win button you have to sacrifice something to fit them and they do fail alot and are pratical useless when that happend..
PVP is not just lock and shoot.. there is alot of other things to consider and that it what makes pvp fun
This isn't the Ships and Mods forums but I can't resist.
What is a plate domi sacrificing by using ECM in mid slots?
The reason people don't like jamming is that its randomn, not reliably counterable, and effectively overpowered. Its not so bad in large engagements where it takes real skill and teamwork to jam large numbers of targets at the same time.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2006.04.06 03:26:00 -
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Edited by: Lunas Feelgood on 06/04/2006 03:26:41
Originally by: Baun
Edited by: Baun on 06/04/2006 03:14:42
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood
Originally by: welsh wizard
If they do do it I hope the first rule is 'No jamming'.
Heheh Jamming is a mod like a gun or a dmg modifier..
Dont know why people got so big props with jamming..
If you dont like to get jammed counter it with backups..
Also jammers are not like the win button you have to sacrifice something to fit them and they do fail alot and are pratical useless when that happend..
PVP is not just lock and shoot.. there is alot of other things to consider and that it what makes pvp fun
This isn't the Ships and Mods forums but I can't resist.
What is a plate domi sacrificing by using ECM in mid slots?
The reason people don't like jamming is that its randomn, not reliably counterable, and effectively overpowered. Its not so bad in large engagements where it takes real skill and teamwork to jam large numbers of targets at the same time.
Dear Baun alot actually.. Becuase you dont know if its 100% sure that you gonna jamm the target.. Yuo could fit tracking disruptors or sensor dampners instead and there you know you gonna do some dmg..
And again fit 1 backup and you are indeed very hard to jamm..well sometime you will get jammed but **** happends
It also depends on what you are going up against, some alliance rely on heavy ECM, some rely on fast moving frig fleet, some rely on heavy dmg dealers etc...
All of these tactics can be countered on way of another and that if what makes combat intence becuase you got so many options to control the fight.
And yes I know when E-R fought celest whom i got so much repsect for btw,, we did use alot of ecm on you simply becuase we saw it was the best counter against you hard hitting ravens and turret ship..
And that is prop what have made E-R a great pvp corp.. There ability to change there tactic to what ever tactic the other side use and counter it..
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.04.06 03:30:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 06/04/2006 03:30:37
"And again fit 1 backup and you are indeed very hard to jamm..well sometime you will get jammed but **** happends"
Allow the ECM and you're practically begging for repeat of fanfest PvP contest -- everyone flying missile boats with pre-loaded FoF missiles, sensor dampeners in mids, damage mods in the lows.
fun fun fun... or not.
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Baun
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Posted - 2006.04.06 03:37:00 -
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Edited by: Baun on 06/04/2006 03:37:48
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood
And yes I know when E-R fought celest whom i got so much repsect for btw,, we did use alot of ecm on you simply becuase we saw it was the best counter against you hard hitting ravens and turret ship..
So it was the best counter against our ships that fight by shooting? Translation: Its the best counter against everything and its not counterable.
I have no problem with E-R using ECM on every ship or with ECM being used so much in its current state. Its just INSANELY broken for small engagements and allowing it in a contest designed to reward skill and teamwork would be a mockery.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2006.04.06 03:40:00 -
[147]
Originally by: j0sephine
Edited by: j0sephine on 06/04/2006 03:30:37
"And again fit 1 backup and you are indeed very hard to jamm..well sometime you will get jammed but **** happends"
Allow the ECM and you're practically begging for repeat of fanfest PvP contest -- everyone flying missile boats with pre-loaded FoF missiles, sensor dampeners in mids, damage mods in the lows.
fun fun fun... or not.
Yes I can see you point and yes i do hate to be jammed to. But jammers, ECM burst, tracking disruptors, sensor damp is a big part of pvp even WCS is a tactic hehe..
Or els it just gonna come down to whom got the fastet lock and most dmg output.. and then all the mod¦s tactician ingame gonna be out of work becuase thats also one big part of the fun how can you fit the perfect combat ship to counter what ever you enemys trow at you..
but i dont know I do see you point.
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2006.04.06 03:46:00 -
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Edited by: Lunas Feelgood on 06/04/2006 03:48:27
Originally by: Baun
Edited by: Baun on 06/04/2006 03:37:48
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood
And yes I know when E-R fought celest whom i got so much repsect for btw,, we did use alot of ecm on you simply becuase we saw it was the best counter against you hard hitting ravens and turret ship..
So it was the best counter against our ships that fight by shooting? Translation: Its the best counter against everything and its not counterable.
I have no problem with E-R using ECM on every ship or with ECM being used so much in its current state. Its just INSANELY broken for small engagements and allowing it in a contest designed to reward skill and teamwork would be a mockery.
Well i do see you concern and ECM can be a win button in small engagements but you just cant count on it..
It is counterable use backups.
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Baun
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Posted - 2006.04.06 04:31:00 -
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Edited by: Baun on 06/04/2006 04:33:43
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood
Edited by: Lunas Feelgood on 06/04/2006 03:48:27
Originally by: Baun
Edited by: Baun on 06/04/2006 03:37:48
Originally by: Lunas Feelgood
And yes I know when E-R fought celest whom i got so much repsect for btw,, we did use alot of ecm on you simply becuase we saw it was the best counter against you hard hitting ravens and turret ship..
So it was the best counter against our ships that fight by shooting? Translation: Its the best counter against everything and its not counterable.
I have no problem with E-R using ECM on every ship or with ECM being used so much in its current state. Its just INSANELY broken for small engagements and allowing it in a contest designed to reward skill and teamwork would be a mockery.
Well i do see you concern and ECM can be a win button in small engagements but you just cant count on it..
It is counterable use backups.
Backups were only a real counter to ECM when ECM was a strict hit or miss numerical system. Now all backups do is add some sort of intangible factor that may or may not help you at the cost of a slot which can usually be fitted to increase your ships performance in other more important ways.
ECM is so overpowered for small engagements because there are ships that can fit them easily without impacting their offensive abilities (5th slot ECM tempests, ECM Domis, ECM Ravens etc). When ECM wasn't chance based the only ships that could really jam you were ones that did laughably poor damage and were paper thin. ECM may not be 100% reliable, but that isn't neccesary when you can do full damage and still have a good shot at preventing your opponent from doing any at all.
What I said about ECM not being counterable, however, was wrong. It is indeed counterable ..... by MORE ECM. The only counter is to match your opponents strategy and hope you get the jams before they do. This is why contests that allow ECM in its current form devolve into what j0sephine detailed.
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2006.04.06 04:40:00 -
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Hmm.
Some fun is inbound :)
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jamesw
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Posted - 2006.04.06 06:48:00 -
[151]
Originally by: j0sephine
Edited by: j0sephine on 06/04/2006 03:30:37
"And again fit 1 backup and you are indeed very hard to jamm..well sometime you will get jammed but **** happends"
Allow the ECM and you're practically begging for repeat of fanfest PvP contest -- everyone flying missile boats with pre-loaded FoF missiles, sensor dampeners in mids, damage mods in the lows.
fun fun fun... or not.
Ahh yes, but lets take that scenario into account. You have, say, 4 dampening FOF spamming ravens - I have 3 blasterthrons and a covert ops.
Now obviously you have got the balls to go camp the beacon, so my CovOps lines the throns up and in we go, landing 5km away.
Those FoF spamming sensor damp ravens aint looking too good now, eh?
If you engage me at range with the damps, I will just run off to another warp point. The flaw with the fanfest contest was the fact that you couldnt leave the arena - Damp setups are often long range and easy to just plain run away from.
Sure, you will get some EW tactics involved, however it *is* a test of skirmish fighting, so it should include all aspects of it.
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Cherry
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Posted - 2006.04.06 17:05:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Velsharoon
Originally by: Kurenin
Good question.
Whatever corp Cherry is in, despite the complete smackdown laid down upon NORAD regularly by my alt, they always pop their heads up to say hello and often a yummy fight is on the cards. They do tend to bring a few more people than I am able to engage though.
Other than that, er, Evolution?
Only cos velsh wee`s on people
cherry smells of wee :(
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.04.06 17:22:00 -
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OT this but I'd be happy if they just restricted ECM to a ship from each class at some point in the future. Oh and I hate jamming inties, ban the jamming inties! :P
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