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Butrus
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Posted - 2003.09.13 23:49:00 -
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Edited by: Butrus on 14/09/2003 00:35:21
This is a call to all forward thinking Gallenteans... a call for unity, a call for sanity, and a call to claim your rightful place in the universe we inhabit.
My thought is not a new one - there have been numerous calls for unity through out our history. Calls to pull together all the rag tag corporations of 5 or 6 loose associates into a single cohesive unit. I'm talking about the power of one. I'm talking about safety in numbers. I'm talking about economies of scale, and I'm talking about achieving more as a collective than as a single family.
If you share my vision of Gallenteans returning to power and standing up to the forces of oppression by uniting under one banner, please send me a mail.
I'm particularly interested to hear from like minded corporations with less than 20 members. This vision will fail if we try to throw everyone together too quickly and without proper consultation (after all, we Gallenteans are known for our proud individualism). But slow sustainable growth will benefit all concerned - it just requires good will and a willingness to join the cause rather than simply doing your own thing.
Best wishes,
Butrus
"Noone's perfect - but a team can be".
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2003.09.14 07:42:00 -
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Edited by: Shintoko Akahoshi on 14/09/2003 07:43:47
"...Gallenteans returning to power..."
"...standing up to the forces of oppression..."
"...claim your rightful place in the universe..."
Butrus, what exactly do you mean? What have we lost? It seems to me that the Federation is quite healthy, and we (as Gallente) are doing well as we are. Perhaps I mistake your words, but they strike me as hovering very close to a call for empire-building.
We Akahoshi have not been members of the Federation for very long (our clade was integrated less than half a century ago). Perhaps it is because of this that we hold especially dear the Gallente ideals of individuality and individual freedom. I understand that these ideals have been subverted in the past, especially during the Gallente-Caldari war, and I fear that they could be subverted again. We are living in very trying times. The current situation in Amarr coupled with an increased call among the more hawkish Caldari to prepare violence against our people are making many people afraid. It would be a mistake, I feel, to let that fear dictate our actions. It would be a mistake to subvert the very values that make us unique.
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Vand'aal
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Posted - 2003.09.14 08:56:00 -
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Unique? Aye indeed.
The Lord of greed runs though your veins, bound to the beast of ignorance you are.
Aloof and pretentious, traits of the greedy.
Traits of Gallente.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2003.09.14 10:22:00 -
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Unique? Aye indeed.
The Lord of greed runs though your veins, bound to the beast of ignorance you are.
Aloof and pretentious, traits of the greedy.
Traits of Gallente.
Thank you, Vand'aal, for your insightful essay on what it means to be Gallante. It seems I've been confused on this point my whole life. Thanks to your scholarly analysis I can now rest assured, confident that the whole of Gallente culture has been distilled by you with crystal clarity.
Now run on out and play and let the adults talk.
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.09.14 11:31:00 -
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As an Intaki, I will be working towards becoming free of Gallente rule, although you Gallente people do know how to throw a good party...
No offence though...
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Butrus
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Posted - 2003.09.14 16:54:00 -
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Thanks for your thoughtful reply Shintoko Akahoshi. Yes my original post was a bit vague, but empire building was not what I had in mind. Having strength, using strength, and abusing strength are very different things, and my call for unity was directed purely at the former.
I was primarily coming from an economic angle and don't mean to suggest we have "lost" anything as a race, merely that we are not yet as efficient, rich, and organised as we could be.
It's sad that our aspirations to better ourselves have caused such defensive responses from the other races within just 12 hours of my original posting. But envy and mistrust are inevitable I suppose, until such time as we have demonstrated that we can better ourselves without undermining other denizens of this beautiful universe.
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Rhianna Desaille
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Posted - 2003.09.14 19:30:00 -
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Butrus, do you believe that the Gallente are not already united under the federation? We strive to live as free individuals, not tied soley to profit like our Caldari neighbors. As for safety in numbers, i feel safer when i am in control of my destiny, not somebody elses. You speak of the power of one, why not the power of many?
Doing ones own thing is what makes us strong as individuals.
Now dont get me wrong, unity is a great ideal, one we should all endeavour to achieve, but the question is, at what cost? Our individuality?
Ask any Gallente what his or her security number is and you shall hear the reply "i am not a number".
Peace,
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Rizmordan Hillgotlieb
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Posted - 2003.09.15 07:29:00 -
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I'm always unified with any Gallente who provides for the needs of the Federation.
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Butrus
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Posted - 2003.09.15 11:17:00 -
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Edited by: Butrus on 15/09/2003 11:18:52
You are right to stress the important values of individuality and freedom that we Gallentean hold so dear. I see no conflict between unity and individuality however - but I understand where you're coming from. I'm not suggesting some Caldari mega-corporation where the spirit of the individual is replaced by the spirit of the collective.
But to take things to a practical level, the Gallente Federation has never answered my call for assistance, never supported our economic endeavours, and never contributed to our research efforts. I think the Federation is exactly what we need - but in a form that works. A large network of loosely affiliated individuals, free to pursue their own goals, but unified in key areas such as mutual defence, and a desire to help ones fellow.
I believe that big is beautiful, and that unity around core values does not have to mean compliance and uniformity with every small thing.
Maybe it's early days, but I'm feeling discouraged at the lack of interest in my proposal. I fear that one day we will be caught sleeping in our beds - either picked off one by one, or overtaken economically - because we were all content "doing our own thing" while other races realised the power of many acting as one, rather than the temporary comfort of many acting as many.
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Dorian Aredes
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Posted - 2003.09.15 17:51:00 -
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The idea of "standing up to oppression" happens every day, on an individual level. It could be a point of view presented in an argument, or the standing up for the less fortunate opressed. Just doing these actions on a small scale on your own, is as good as an entire organization working towards the same goal.
Have faith and confidence in yourself, and do what you beleive to be right; no matter what another may say. This is the ideal most free-minded Gallente follow, and applies to both life and business.
I would be more than willing to be a part of this loosely affiliated network of Gallentean businessmen and businesswomen. Send me a mail and we can discuss the prospects of inter-corp relations. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
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Butrus
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Posted - 2003.09.17 20:33:00 -
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Thanks Dorian - though I'm left wondering whether I agree with you or disagree! I agree wholeheartedly in deciding as an individual what's right and standing up for your own values and integrity even if popular opinion is against you.
Sadly I've seen the lone idealist squashed unceremoniously on many occasions just because he/she didn't think to gain strength by combining with other like minded individuals.
If you're talking about ideals and strength of character - YES! If you think one man can make a difference, I'd say you were dreaming unless that one man leads other likeminded men to act as an army rather than a rabble.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2003.09.18 06:35:00 -
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Butrus, I am still interested in what you have to say, regardless of any earlier concerns of motivation or result. Please elaborate on your ideas, I am all ears...
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Butrus
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Posted - 2003.09.18 16:09:00 -
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Now you've got me ;)
I feel passionately about the vision of a unified Gallente federation-alliance-corporation (call it what you will) but don't yet have all the answer about how to achieve it.
I think I could describe what a successful outcome would be, and hope that others more gifted and inspired than me might be able to chart a course to that end point:
- Truly massive, coordinated mining expeditions made up mainly of Gallenteans
- A small number of major Gallentean corporations instead of a larger number of small ones. These would be sufficiently different to cater for all tastes and leanings, but strongly bound to one another.
- Active and widespread participation in Gallente political, industrial and military events.
- Communications forums that were buzzing with material of interest to Gallenteans.
- Support mechanisms by Gallenteans for Gallenteans, to help us through the bad times (loss of ship, loss of goods, loss of motivation or direction).
- FEELING part of a large community and identity, rather than feeling largely alone in a universe where being Gallente means nothing.
I'd be delighted to hear other people's positive ideas about how we CAN help each other through coooperation, rather than the more negative stream of thought that leads to us all doing our own thing in splendid isolation.
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Hafthor
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Posted - 2003.09.18 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: Hafthor on 18/09/2003 18:13:31
I agree with you on at least one thing Butrus. There are troubled times ahead and those who want to be free can no longer sit by and watch things happen. To help a friend is not to lose individuality. When trouble comes knocking on your door it's a bit late to search for allies.
I am involved in a different kind of project with much the same goals. My corporation has members of all races and we all work together to achieve a common goal, freedom. Freedom not only for ourselves, but for our friends and business partners. Freedom to work together for the good of the whole.
I wish you good luck with your project, and good luck to those who choose to follow you.
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Dorian Aredes
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Posted - 2003.09.18 20:25:00 -
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Your ideas sound great, Butrus. There isn't any reason your dreams cannot become a reality. I would most definitly want to stay updated on any progress made by you in this department.
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IceBlock
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Posted - 2003.09.18 21:57:00 -
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OMG! The Gallente Is Dictators!! DIE MOFO
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2003.09.19 03:59:00 -
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IceBlock (Caldari) wrote:
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OMG! The Gallente Is Dictators!! DIE MOFO
Thus proving Butrus's point quite handily.
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Dorian Aredes
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Posted - 2003.09.19 07:05:00 -
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Quite.
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.09.19 08:06:00 -
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Yep, ive read it and re-read your post Butrus and I still can't find the point or relevance of what you are saying. Any such alliance will soon become large and unweildy, flabby and indecisive. I see nothing wrong with staying small but focused. And I see no urgency to form a Gallente Alliance as yet...
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Butrus
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Posted - 2003.09.19 10:58:00 -
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Hafthor - thanks for your thoughts. Could you say more about how your corporation and allies are going about preserving freedom? This is a key topic and I'd be very keen to learn from your experiences and understand where we might be able to play a part?
There was once a philosopher called Nietzsche who reflected that in some of the most "free" forms of expression (art, music, dance, poetry) what you saw was not complete unbridled chaotic freedom, but great creativity COMBINED WITH a minimum amount of structure (the tools and colours of the painter, the basic mathematics and form of a symphony, the "correct" way of performing a piroutette, or the rythm and stress patterns found in classical poetry).
I guess to summarise my call for unity, I am suggesting a little more structure would actually help achieve even greater freedom for us Gallenteans.
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Butrus
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Posted - 2003.09.19 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: Butrus on 19/09/2003 11:03:43
Dorian - thank you for your (rare) words of support. I feel a little embrionic seed "unity" already growing here...
Miso - "I disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the death to preserve your right to say it" (Voltaire, ancient French philosopher). Sorry you don't feel able to embrace the idea of unity, but that's perfectly ok. I'm not seeking to convert all and sundry :)
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Raindrop
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Posted - 2003.09.20 00:07:00 -
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First of all a good day to all of you.
I'm Raindrop Minerals trader of Xentech.
I must say i'm surpriced by this uprising feeling of needing to be in some form (defensive) unified.
I do believe that if this empire takes a turn for the worse we should be ready to or atleast know that we will stand together for our freedom.
I am sure that as soon as we've defended our freedom together, more friendships will be formed and from that more bussiness opertunities for all. It's not just the units that bring the money. It's also the connections and friends.
Perhaps it would be wise to start a defence aliance. Defending Gal's freedom everywhere against any future threat.
We prosper in this bubble of freedom that we've created. Let's not even run the risc of having that bubble popped.
Signing off
Raindrop mm Xentech
Raindrop
Trader of low end stuff and NPC goods. Recycler of junk.
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Butrus
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Posted - 2003.09.20 09:28:00 -
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Greetings Raindrop. Friends and connections - what better way to start building unity!
Are there any formal alliances already in existence for Gallente corporations do you know? Are any in the pipeline so to speak?
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b0ksah
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Posted - 2003.09.20 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: b0ksah on 20/09/2003 11:35:48
The Chaplain smiles.
"Another Gallente who call the Gallente Federation an Empire ... or he wants to."
The Chaplain looks out the window of the station, where he is sitting and writing, and sees the many battleships gathering for combat.
"It's a time of conquest. Good luck .."
Compassion is not a sign of weakness .. !!
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Raindrop
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Posted - 2003.09.20 16:39:00 -
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I'm afraid you lack the Gallente understanding of freedom. The base for the unity that would be possible within Gallente territory. If only we'd be aware of our true strength when combined. Maybe best comparable to "Flash mobbing" Something the ancients used to do. They would show up out of nothing and do something together in public. A group of people with only one relation. Their spirit. After they have done their thing each would go his own way.
I believe that would be a nice example of what we can easily organise and would be acceptable i think. Naturally we wouldn't be pulling pranks but come together in an act of defence or an extension of that.
Raindrop Mm Xentech
(Encyclopedia Galactica; Spirit: A term the ancients used to use for a higher form of intelligence and communication, many believe it was the rudimentary Electronic network that is also believed to be the basis of AI.)
Raindrop
Trader of low end stuff and NPC goods. Recycler of junk.
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Tatsue Nuko
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Posted - 2003.09.21 21:04:00 -
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I'm not suggesting some Caldari mega-corporation where the spirit of the individual is replaced by the spirit of the collective.
Butrus, you are quite mistaken there. You name the Caldari way of life as being one where the individual is being made subservient to the collective. You could not be more misguided. Consider theese facts:
It is the Gallente that sought to refuse, by means of military repression, my ancestor's will to become independent of your Federation. The will of the Federation's majority - that my people stay as "members" of the Federation - was clearly more important than the right of every Caldari to be her own master in all her affairs.
You name us collectivist, alleging that we are ruled by the corporations in the council, completely subjecting ourselves to the will of those large corporations. Far from the truth. Each Caldari is free, but most of us see the good that lies in caldari society, as opposed to the oppressive nature of your so-called democracy. And this majority of us that sees the Caldari way of life as good, we work for the betterment of our society not because we are slaves under supposedly dictatorial corporate officers, but because we - as individuals - gain from it. That is my experience, and the experience of all my friends, family and business associates.
When we compare the "social systems" - if the expression be allowed - of Gallente versus Caldari, we find an important difference in the essence of your democracy - it leaves the individual chained to his supposedly benevolent brethren. The will of the majority is brought to bear on the minority, howevermuch it may disagree. The policies of the majority chain not only those that agree, but also those that disagree. My ancestors were brough to war, my ancestral home brought to devastation - now devoid of the culture it nurtured - because your "individualistic" democracy could not allow the progressive, industrious and productive pioneers of the Caldari Corporations to go without Federation scrutiny, without the territory being given unto the Federation - when in deed it was the corporations that explored and colonized those system whoose secrecy sparked the collective fury of your ancestors, it was The Corporations that constructed orbiting settlements for vast amounts of people, that mined the asteroid belts, that initiated the marvel of terraforming on near-habitable worlds.
The policies I have named have not been removed from your constitution and book of "laws." They are still in effect. You tax your people, based on the will of the majority, no matter what the minorities want with their own lives.
I pay no taxation to The Corporations. I pay for their services when I use them, and they pay for my minerals when I sell it to them. They make no claim on the live's of what you seem to think of as collectivist subjects, other than that in all trade they be treated with good faith, free from fraud or force. That so many Caldari recognize this as right - especially in comparison to your so-called "individualist" system - and therefore choose to do trade with, or seek hire in, The Corporations is not strange or collectivist. Being dedicated to bettering one's society is not collectivism. It is, in fact, celebration of our individual freedom.
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Butrus
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Posted - 2003.09.28 13:12:00 -
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Edited by: Butrus on 28/09/2003 13:16:03
Hmm, I can see my call is falling on deaf ears. I raise the flag and call for unity, and what I get are insults from the other races, and other Gallenteans trying to curb my freedom by trying to tell me what it means to be Gallente and how I should think and behave. In other words, more interested in imposing their "freedom" than in banding together in a common cause and putting differences to one side for the sake of the great results a group can achieve.
I find myself becoming more sympathetic to the ideas posted by our Caldari neighbour (above) than I do by the feeble protestations of my fellow Gallenteans that the status quo is somehow "ok", or by the hippie ideal that we should all sit back and "do our own thing, man".
I now realise that the only thing we Gallentean have in common is that we have nothing in common, and I wonder how long it will be until we are surprised in the night while still bickering about the philosophy of free will.
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Vand'aal
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Posted - 2003.09.28 16:02:00 -
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Indeed Butrus, perhaps the long night will soon descend on the Gallente Federation? After all, it comes down to the wishes of the Amarr Empire.
The centre of the universe.
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Lord Eidolon
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Posted - 2003.09.28 17:18:00 -
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Let the fires of ego and doubt wash out of your mind, and take your place in the universe.
Through meditation, physical unions become unnecessary. By reaching the level of multiversal oneness, all material concerns to will seem like a small wave on an ocean. Race, society, work, taxes, sex, religion, war, science, everything, all concepts.
True freedom is to break away from material trappings. Our physical bodies are merely a shell, like a pair of gloves that life itself puts on in order to interact with his physical reality.
The death of my physical body will simply be like taking off these gloves.
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Lord Eidolon
The COSMOS Corporation
"Your ignorance...amuses me."
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2003.09.29 04:08:00 -
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Hmm, I can see my call is falling on deaf ears. I raise the flag and call for unity, and what I get are insults from the other races, and other Gallenteans trying to curb my freedom by trying to tell me what it means to be Gallente and how I should think and behave.
Ignore the insults, they're spoken by those who love the sound of their own voice but have otherwise nothing to say.
My own impressions of your call is that you lack specifics. Your plea for unity has the feel of a preamble, yet you do not follow through into the body of your argument. How can any of us decide with any assurance or consideration of fact when you provide nothing more than vapor? Give us an argument. Give us specifics. What do you fear happening if we continue as we have? What, specifically, do you propose to do about it? I don't mean to sound insulting and I feel that your idea has merit, but I can't consider your call if you don't follow through.
I believe that you are an intelligent man with well thought out opinions. Put this intelligence to use and tell us something more than "we must unify". Unity is a treacherous word. It feels good when it leaves the mouth, and it somehow manages to convince the mind that it has meaning, but it is an empty concept without the support of it's qualifying concepts.
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Dorian Aredes
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Posted - 2003.09.29 05:02:00 -
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Madamoiselle Akahoshi has a point. People tend to jump to conclusions and criticize when they feel threatened. Don't be discouraged with negative statements. There are people out there who support and agree with what you're trying to say.
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Butrus
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Posted - 2003.09.29 17:04:00 -
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Edited by: Butrus on 29/09/2003 17:07:00
Thanks Shintoko and Dorian - you've re-energised me just enough for another reply...
In my naievety I was hoping to receive an enthusiastic response to my basic idea, and then start bouncing ideas off like minded people. I confess I don't have a roadmap to unity planned out in convincing detail and feel exposed suggesting one for fear of further pot-shots, but here goes anyway by way of a straw man:
1) Establish, moderate, and support a channel ("Gallente") for general discussion of Gallentean topics. Nothing secretive, other races welcome as long as they're constructive. Could evolve for military use at some point if required. Most channels die due to underuse sooner or later, so serious commitment from leading corporations sought. [I can implement this, but will need active support].
2) Organise and support a regular (but not too onerous) Gallente mining event. Idea is for a massive turnout in a fairly safe sector. More social than serious. A kind of experiment in mass cooperation. [Any volunteer could organise this, and publicise via the Gallente channel]
3) Start up an informal Gallente trading cartel. Rules would be simple: if you join you undertake to offer a 5% discount to all other members of the cartel in return for the same deal when buying from them. [Would need an in-flight website which displays current list of member corporations. Complaints and membership would need to be maintained and processed by a volunteer. I have no web skills or would take this on myself].
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Dorian Aredes
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Posted - 2003.09.29 18:02:00 -
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Your ideas sound good. Start up the "Gallente" channel in-game and things will start to happen.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2003.09.29 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: Shintoko Akahoshi on 29/09/2003 20:51:41
Well, there you go... 
These are some good initial ideas. I especially like your ideas for a Gallente-specific channel, and a Gallente cartel. I don't know how successful an organized Gallente mining event would be, but maybe that's just because I'm both cynical and hate mining...
I'd like to both offer my services in maintaining a web site for a Gallente trading cartel/alliance, and suggest that it also be open to Gallente-friendly corporations. For instance, I work for a multiracial corporation with an Amarr CEO. It is, however, Gallente-friendly. I'd like to think that it would be able to participate in the cartel.
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Butrus
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Posted - 2003.09.29 21:03:00 -
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Fantastic - thanks Shintoko and Dorian.
I'll start up the channel and hook up with you there. Please start to spread the word.
Shintoko - I think a website could really cement things. How would you feel about creating some sort of "Coming soon - the Gallente Cartel" or something similar, using some of the content in this threat to whet the appetite?
I'm starting to get excited again
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Dorian Aredes
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Posted - 2003.09.30 01:09:00 -
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I'd also be happy to help contribute to the construction of a website, if that gets put on the to-do list.
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Lord Eidolon
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Posted - 2003.09.30 09:31:00 -
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I agree that a 'Gallente' channel would be an excellent way of pioneering unity among our people.
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The COSMOS Corporation
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Butrus
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Posted - 2003.09.30 19:25:00 -
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OK Gallente Channel is here! I'm mostly on from about 19:00 Eve Time but don't be discouraged if the channel looks empty for the first little while. It will take time to grow and if you keep it open by default then wonderful and surprising conversations WILL happen...
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dormy
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Posted - 2003.09.30 20:20:00 -
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What ever happent to the individualist way of the Gallente hmm ?
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Butrus
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Posted - 2003.09.30 21:13:00 -
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Dormy - it's the right of every individual to choose the way of the group if he or she so desires...
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Lord Eidolon
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Posted - 2003.09.30 21:27:00 -
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Butrus and I have met in the new 'Gallente' channel. It has been agreed that to spread the word of this new meeting place, like-minded Gallenteans should advertise it in their sigs.
In this world there are do'ers and there are joiners. Which category do you fall into?
May the Gallente people unite!
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Savlin
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Posted - 2003.10.01 00:07:00 -
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I don't believe in any united galletean cartel is good for us, that will cause instability in galletean space and soon others will follow and create other "united galletean" to keep up with the Gal-cartel benefits and their beleifs.
I believe in a free galletean space without any general guidelines for the people.
I believe that in any event of aggresion against us, will will unite and fight.
I beleive in individuality.
Have always been free...
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Lord Eidolon
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Posted - 2003.10.01 09:05:00 -
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Savlin, I agree with the points you made.
In my view, a 'Gallente' channel will simply be a good general meeting place for us, where no pressure will be exerted to do anything the individual does not want to.
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Lord Eidolon
The COSMOS Corporation
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2003.10.01 17:54:00 -
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I have created a web site for us to use. It is running on EveWiki, a wiki engine ported to support the in-game browser (A wiki is a sort of communal web site that is designed to be easy to edit. All editing happens from within the web browser. Linking and page creation is pretty much automatic.). Go nuts...
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Misato Warwick
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Posted - 2003.10.01 21:16:00 -
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thx for your time and keep up the spirit!
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Butrus
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Posted - 2003.10.02 21:32:00 -
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Now things are getting INTERESTING Shintoko - many thanks. Fascinating ideas and great useful material - I particularly liked the links to alliance maps which I haven't seen before, and the way you've reproduced the original discussion thread (not "threat" by the way!).
I think I'll be changing my signature right away to publicise this!
Many thanks...
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Butrus
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Posted - 2003.10.02 21:34:00 -
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Oh P.S. would you be able to plug the "Gallente" comms channel on the first page of your website please so it really hits you full in the face?
Thanks!
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2003.10.02 21:57:00 -
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Done. The spelling thing must have been a freudian slip, considering how many people see veiled threats in this...
You can change any of the pages yourself, by the way. Click on the "QuickStart" link to read how to do this. It's quite easy...
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Dorian Aredes
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Posted - 2003.10.02 23:08:00 -
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Very interesting. I haven't met anyone in the Gallente channel yet, but I've only checked a couple times and that was late at night.
By the way, exactly what is the signature text that is going to be used?
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Butrus
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Posted - 2003.10.04 12:55:00 -
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Shintoko - the thought of an evolving collaborative website (wiki) is a great one and I look forward to having a play around very soon.
Dorian - far be it for me to impose a signature, but I'd be delighted if you and others made a gentle plug for the Gallente comms channel and the terrific website Shintoko has prepared for us.
Regarding the Gallente channel - I would like to suggest an informal meeting time of 18:00 (Eve Time) every Sunday. Hopefully that will avoid disillusionment caused by repeatedly checking an empty channel. If that time is good I hope to talk to you then...
I'll also post this as an "event".
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Butrus
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Posted - 2003.10.04 13:05:00 -
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As promised:
Gallente Get-Together
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Lord Eidolon
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Posted - 2003.10.05 11:36:00 -
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I must say, this web site looks very promising. I've taken the liberty of adding a few nuggets to it, and will be continuing to add a broader range of subjects and pages in the future.
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Lord Eidolon
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Butrus
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Posted - 2003.10.06 11:34:00 -
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I hope that everyone who has contributed to this thread so far will support the new website and add their details to the Visitors Book.
In time, I see this evolving as a kind of directory of Gallente services, corporations, and individuals - another step in the direction of a "liberal" and "free" form of Gallente Unity.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2003.10.07 21:30:00 -
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Quote:
In this world there are do'ers and there are joiners. Which category do you fall into?
May the Gallente people unite!
From this it sounds like we're all joiners... 
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Butrus
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Posted - 2003.10.11 20:41:00 -
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... and more are joining every day!
Latest resource that is helping to unite our ideas is the Gallente Portal, part of the excellent website that Shintoko set up for us.
Please feel free to contribute - it's as easy as clicking the "Edit this page" button.
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Butrus
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Posted - 2003.10.17 15:49:00 -
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The Gallente Portal is looking pretty good now - including a place to trade, a place to post personal and corporate information, a very comprehensive list of in-game browser addresses, and of course the Encyclopedia Eveica.
Check it out and let us know who you are, fellow Gallenteans...
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2003.10.18 07:50:00 -
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The Gallente Unity web site has moved. Due to numerous problems with our... uh... galactic hyper-hosting provider, I've moved the web site to another hyper-host. The new... uh... hyperURL is: http://www.narcosislabs.org/SoixanteNeuf.
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Butrus
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Posted - 2003.10.20 22:42:00 -
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After moving around a bit, we've found our home at:
http://www.narcosislabs.org/gallente/
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2003.10.21 03:59:00 -
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That being the non-Hippy ****o Empire version of the site...
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Jessica Logan
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Posted - 2003.10.21 21:19:00 -
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Typical of our race.
Full of bigotry and childish humour.
There was even one fellow bragging about his Mother being a _Minmatar_! Sickening...
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Butrus
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Posted - 2003.10.22 19:42:00 -
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Jessica - you told us today on the Gallente channel that you would like to see Gallenteans stand up and be strong for once. You also expressed disappointment in the Gallente Federation which in your view has failed to meet the needs of our people since the first gate closed.
I would like to hear more of your ideas - how can we be strong? How can the current Gallente Unity movement succeed where the Gallente Federation has failed?
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Jessica Logan
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Posted - 2003.10.27 23:54:00 -
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Simple.
Do away with the whole "being united will bring us strength!" rubbish.
As I keep repeating, faith alone will _not_ bring any sort of victory, any sort of strength. Look at the nations of old, before space was colonised.
Look at our damn ancestors, they frequently had "faith", always believe that this alone would bring them victory....they failed. Miserably. Time and time again they were humiliated, could barely win a civil war, let alone stand up to any aggressors or outside influences.
Then look at the "Union" of the same time period (I haven't the records on hand, so it's actual name is forgotten...all I can remember at the moment is that it covered a large part of planet Earth's Eastern bloc). Yes, it's people had the whole "one mind, one body" thing, but they were able to carry out actions which gave them their strength, rather than conveying a mere image.
Twice they changed the fate of that planet for the better, their military might crushing any and all attempts to usurp peace and order.
Then look at what happened when a corrupt man decided it would be best to disband the Union....it collapsed, the affiliated countries fell into dis-array and chaos. Their economies faltered, staggered....easily surpassed.
I can not, and will not, have exact reasons on how something can be strong, all I know is that you need more than a simple mind and a catchy slogan.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2003.10.28 02:35:00 -
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Pffth. Mms Logan, i doubt that you understand what the Gallente Unity movement really is about. Let me give you a concrete example:
One of the active members of the movement has a dream to supply new Gallente pilots with better ships. He has aquired blueprints for some of the better Gallente frigates (Tristan, etc), and is ramping up to produce them. I, on the other hand, spend my days fighting Sanshas pirates on the other side of Eve. I end up with piles and piles of modules I've sifted from their wreckage. Most of this stuff is of no use to me, and I generally recycle it. I was talking with this fellow, and we decided that it would be a good idea for me to donate this gear to him. That way he could make frigates fitted out with Sanshas modules (which are better than the run-of-the-mill equipment you can buy - go figure), making better ships for these new pilots.
If it wasn't for the open forum of communications provided by the Gallente Unity movement, this would not have happened. The Unity movement isn't about military strength. It isn't about any real organization or structure. The strength of the Gallente Unity movement lies entirely in it's ability to bring together Gallenteans in open communication.
And that, my dear Mms. Logan, is something that you don't quite seem to understand.
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Vendris
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Posted - 2003.10.28 10:43:00 -
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Edited by: Vendris on 28/10/2003 12:56:49
Miss Logan, the more I read of you, the more I am convinced you have absolutely no redeeming features.
I'm impressed. That takes years of dedication.
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Butrus
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Posted - 2003.10.28 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Butrus on 28/10/2003 17:33:14
I'm with Vendris and Shintoko on this one!
More examples of (modest) results that have been achieved so far via the Gallente Unity movement:
* Several trading deals completed between members advertising on the Gallente website.
* A small but active community giving guidance and support on the Gallente channel.
* A couple of freelancers recruited into Gallente corporations.
* Exchange of extremely useful information regarding alliances and the Eve universe in general.
* Some great friendships developing.
* 27 individuals and 6 corporations now in contact with each other would previously have just passed each other by.
Part of the strenght of our race its diversity and range of beliefs and ideas. I hope we might all have the dignity to respect other's views and applaud their efforts even if we don't feel the call ourselves...
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