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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.02.03 13:08:00 -
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Okay I'm going to say it...
What's the deal with T3 and skillpoint losses?
Is this ship so powerful than instead of nerfing its production cost, CCP decided to nerf your RL wallet when loosing one? (Because SPs are subscription time, thus money) Nope.
Would this ship be more used if you were not affraid to loose skillpoints in it? Surely yes.
Would it turn people away from slowcats or other major current pvp doctrines  ? Lol nope.
Would it increase their demand, thus W-Space income? Maybe but if CCP wants to nerf W-Space income, this should not be done at the expense of PvP gameplay anyway.
Why was this mechanic here in the first place? At the time, people could eject under weapon timer. So the whole mechanic was pointless. Also, if you want to add more risks to eve, just put SP losses on every ship on death, or none of them. Having exceptions will just create artificial barriers for some players.
Who does the skillpoint loss benefits the most? Vets. Because they don't care to interrupt Caldari Dreadnought V, their last dread skill not maxed, to retrain xxx Offensive Subsystem V. In the same fashion, it penalizes relatively "new" players that have to stop what they were doing to retrain their skill at V. Sneaky tackle to the Phoenix Issue at the same time. If you were living on the moon, read the first three paragraphs of this link to know why the Phoenix sucks.
But Altrue, these skills are only (x1)! Its only five days, no one gives a s***. Well if you don't mind loosing 5 days of skills then I invite you to pause your skillqueue right now, see you in five days... And don't forget to do it multiple times because you can loose T3s multiple times.
I'm interested to see the reactions on this one. And I will obviously attract them by saying this, but please avoid trolling. (Curious to see which angle of attack they would have)
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
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Posted - 2014.02.03 13:10:00 -
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I imagine they will have the SP loss removed when they are rebalanced.
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Gawain Edmond
Angry Mustellid
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Posted - 2014.02.03 13:16:00 -
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i didn't think that losing some skill from being blown up in a T3 was a problem to anyone it's almost like they're a ship designed to have the best use made out of them by people with lots of skill points who have all the support skills trained for their pilots I mean come on who flies a ship that they're fully skilled up to fly that's just silly.
If you've got the skills trained up to make the most out of a frigate then fly frigates don't jump into a cruiser, that you've not got the skills to make the most use of, because it's "bigger" and so must be "better". The same goes for T2 don't train a T2 ship skill to 3 and think "oh well i flew my crusiers with level 3 in the ship skill i'll be fine" you won't be you'll be very dead and someone will sit giggling at their tasty kill mail. The same is true with all ships of all sizes and classes along with the rule of "don't fly what you can't afford to lose" if you can't afford to lose 5 days training time then don't fly a T3.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1421
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Posted - 2014.02.03 13:26:00 -
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Loss is the only thing that makes things exciting.
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Brave Collective
979
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Posted - 2014.02.03 13:29:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Loss is the only thing that makes things exciting.
Maybe for you but I find it especially appealing to blow stuff up.  Mine, of course... But others sometimes too!
And as far as I can tell, I didn't name this thread "Lets remove rookie ships and remplace them with T3s!" so you'd still loose isks. Really. Just like with every other ship in the game.
So either your only fly T3s yourself, or either your point is invalid. And even in the first case, the mere fact that everyone is not flyting T3s indicates that they find other things exciting in Eve then the loss of skillpoints.
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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2153
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Posted - 2014.02.03 13:32:00 -
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T3s have lots of things wrong with them, battleship size tanks with cruiser sig radius, Battlecruiser DPS it should be closer to navy cruiser, several useless subsystem combinations, but skill point loss is not one of them.
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
Awakened.
1352
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Posted - 2014.02.03 13:33:00 -
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It's part of the balance that comes with flying the powerful T3 hulls. Fly a command ship or a HAC if you're unwilling to risk the sp loss.
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nzane
Anomalous Existence
Surely You're Joking
27
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Posted - 2014.02.03 14:06:00 -
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T3's follow the same principle that all other ships in EVE have. If you aren't willing to lose it don't fly it. The subsystem skills are only Rank 1 skills so its a short train to get them to 5. You shouldn't be losing that many T3s at a time for that to become a big issue. There are only 4 T3s in this game so there should be some draw back for losing one.  |
Ix Method
Gang Plank Industries
103
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Posted - 2014.02.03 14:38:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:I imagine they will have the SP loss removed when they are rebalanced.
QFT. Whack them with the nerfbat before disposable Proteus.
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Goldensaver
Lom Corporation
WHY so DERP'D
366
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Posted - 2014.02.03 15:48:00 -
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Altrue wrote:Who does the skillpoint loss benefits the most? Vets. Because they don't care to interrupt Caldari Dreadnought V, their last dread skill not maxed, to retrain xxx Offensive Subsystem V. In the same fashion, it penalizes relatively "new" players that have to stop what they were doing to retrain their skill at V. Sneaky tackle to the Phoenix Issue at the same time. If you were living on the moon, read the first three paragraphs of this link to know why the Phoenix sucks.
FYP. We all know no real vet would even bother train the skill unless there was nothing else to train at all. And even then they may not train it because it's still not worth it. |
Alundil
Sky Fighters
387
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Posted - 2014.02.03 17:39:00 -
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The T3 skillpoint loss was put in place to help balance (add penalty) to the very high utility offered by T3 hulls. Because of their versatility and power simply attempting to balance by cost wouldn't work very well at all. It's readily apparent when entire fleets of T3 ships (100mn Tengu fleets) and or fleet doctrines heavily leveraging T3s (proteus and jamgus and neut legions) etc etc etc.
The cost of replacement is a concern for many individual pilots, however, in the case corporations or alliances with SRP in place to cover those then the ISK itself is not the limiting factor from redeploying full fleets within minutes. In many cases it'll be the skill loss negatively impacting doctrine fits that are on the bleeding edge of the hull's capabilities. That makes a pretty effective counter to the large impact these ships have on a group's combat footing.
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
CODE.
3459
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Posted - 2014.02.03 18:08:00 -
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Instead, let's add a penalty. You get a massive headache, which causes the screen to be blurry and retraining take longer. The more frequently you lose t3's, the worse the effects.
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Brave Collective
979
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Posted - 2014.02.03 18:37:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Instead, let's add a penalty. You get a massive headache, which causes the screen to be blurry and retraining take longer. The more frequently you lose t3's, the worse the effects.
Lol :D If you want to get high, no need to loose T3s...
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Brave Collective
979
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Posted - 2014.02.03 18:38:00 -
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Alundil wrote:The T3 skillpoint loss was put in place to help balance (add penalty) to the very high utility offered by T3 hulls. Because of their versatility and power simply attempting to balance by cost wouldn't work very well at all. It's readily apparent when entire fleets of T3 ships (100mn Tengu fleets) and or fleet doctrines heavily leveraging T3s (proteus and jamgus and neut legions) etc etc etc.
The cost of replacement is a concern for many individual pilots, however, in the case corporations or alliances with SRP in place to cover those then the ISK itself is not the limiting factor from redeploying full fleets within minutes. In many cases it'll be the skill loss negatively impacting doctrine fits that are on the bleeding edge of the hull's capabilities. That makes a pretty effective counter to the large impact these ships have on a group's combat footing.
Just as isk isn't the limiting factor when you got SRP, skills are not the limiting factor when you're a vet.
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