The Hyperion as well as many other BS are faster than at least half of the BCs. BCs are only really good for killing brawling cruisers because the only thing they beat crusiers in is eft dps and ehp numbers. They are essentially dessies just one step up. All they are good for is doing decent damage to the class right below them if they can c

You are talking out of your Arse. Yes top speed a 100mn Hyperion is faster than a 10mn Drake. But a 10mn Drake is gonna hit its top speed while having a fuckload more agility than the hyperion.

And the drake is the slowest BC.(not including Plated)

Actually he is stating fact. Which you would be able to recognize if you PvP'd at all, or for that matter had any practical experience when it comes to PvP. BC's are in a really bad place right now, gods correctly identifys why.

BCs are probably the most useful T1 hull class, no idea what people are complaining about.

Top speed on an MWD hype is indeed faster than top speed on MWD Drake, but the Drake has some 5 second faster alignment and that's only 75% speed. EVEN a plated harb aligns faster than the Hype but it gets dangerously close (while being slow as hell).

So far all he stated was entirely correct. If you're going to try and argue have some FACTS, you know, the stuff you accuse others of for not having.

What you MEANT to say is that there's an issue where ships "designed" to armor tank, and thus have their alignment time affected as they're "supposed" to fit plates and trimarks while having an abundance of lows, but then shield tank instead get OP alignment and speeds. That is not a BC issue, that is an slotting/plate/LSE/nanofiber issue.

No, it's actually the point.

For years we're used to "get to BC because they're versatile as hell and can deal with anything" which suffocates ship choices because cruisers got assraped by them while they could still take on BS. In the current climate they're not the obvious choice and THAT means that you actually have to make a choice, which is good. That doesn't mean BC's are bad, they're just not the obvious all-round choice we were so used to any more. They still have a role and a use, just not as pronounced as before. This is a good thing because there were way too many Canes/Drakes out there making life impossible for other ships.

And THEN you get the compounding effect of shield tanking armor ships with lots of free lows.


It's also funny as how you state that Domis are fcking awesome and other BS don't exist anymore. You're mistaking ship issues with current meta weapon system issues. Domis aren't OP because they're domis, they're OP because blobs love sentry assignment.

Are battlecruisers being used less than they used to be? Yes, sure. That's because there has been a massive increase in the number of other viable ships, and if more people are flying ship A, then that means that less are flying ship B.

The typhoon is just a giant battlecruiser on steroids.... therefore the only powerful battlecruiser that remains.

I disagree with that, or at least partially. As I mentioned somewhere earlier in this thread fleets and blobs don't like versatile ships instead they want specialised and focussed ships&fittings, everything has a role and if you need more roles you simply bring more F1 monkeys. So if someone from a blob perspective states that "BC are now useless" then for that environment he is indeed correct, there's many uses and scenarios where BCs aren't the obvious choice any more but that doesn't mean there's something wrong with them or that it was a balancing mistake.

All it means is that CCP got tired of BC being the go-to ship for just about any use because they overshadowed other ship hulls way too much. I'm not saying they didn't get "left behind" in the rebalancing and I'm not saying they're fine for all uses like they were before. What I'm saying is that I understand the reason it happened and agree to that reasoning.

However, right now there's still issues in regards to ship speeds and shield/armor. Cruisers are slightly too fast (stated as such somewhere in this thread) and there's still the issue of LSE being too god damn powerful meaning armor focussed ships get quite good EHP from being shield fit, allowing the lows to go completely bat **** crazy.


BC needed the "nerf" but they're still fine just not for everybody or every situation, there's nothing wrong with them.





Pretty much this, and it's a GOOD thing.

if you decide to forego mobility.. battleships outclass them completely

While i think CCP isn't quite as consistent with their speeds as they should be.

Stats wise BC's are mostly fine.. Yes they are a niche ships.. they are like cruiser dessies.

except tracking. and sig radius. and mass. and cost. and skill requirements.
but ok sure...

If you don't like BS lock speed and tracking, cruiser EHP or T2/T3 cost and SP requirements.


Following your logic you could also go "what's the point of flying t1 cruisers? HAC and T3 are much better, they're slower than frigates and don't have the EHP of BC". For years the BC the obvious ship choice, for years it was OP. Now it's an option, which is as it should be.

This thread makes me wanna run a Brutix gang.

As I said earlier.. in a moderate sized group, brutixes are ok, because of the very high damage.

But on smaller scale they are shadowed by cruisers or battleships dependign if you need stayign power or mobility.

Its nto so much a BC problem as of now but a lack of reason to forego HALF of your mobility but still needign to be faster than battleships...

Forcing links to go on grid would be the worst thing that CCP could do. That would be a huge boost for blob warfare, and make solo / small gang really difficult. Links should be out right removed, instead of that horrible option.

Chessur hit the nail on the head.

Cruisers are now the go-to workhorse for most small-gang and soloists. Before the tiericide holocaust the mantra for just about every new pilot (myself included) was to train HML II's and a Drake or AC's and a 'Cane. Re-Sebo Insta-lock Hurricane gate-camps were dumb as hell. Up until the HML nerf, Drakes were pretty much used by everyone, everywhere, to do everything. CCP nerfed HML's instead of addressing the Drake's real problem which was it's battleship sized tank.

So HML's got the nerfbat... "to bring them in line with other long range weapons...". And then CCP buffed Beams, Rails, and Arty just a couple months after they gutted HML's damage and projection.

So the Drake was neutered via weapons nerf. The Hurricane PG/CPU was nerfed several times on top of the TE nerf.

Tier 3 ABC's now the jobs that CBC's used to do, only better and for a little more ISK per hull.

T1 CBC's pretty much exist as training wheels for new pilots.

Ok, quick question for you... what niche do you think BCs occupy?

They used to be the medium ground between cruisers and battleships, but that's not really the case anymore. Between Assault and T3 cruisers the BCs kinda lost it's place as the heavy medium weapon platform. Yes, they can fit Command links but that wasn't the original point of the class, just an effect of Command ships being placed at T2.

I know part of the re-balancing process is to give each ship a distinct role, and this is something BCs lack currently. Why take a BC over a Assault, T3, or BS? As much as I'd like to, I can't answer that right now.

The "unique role" they have is that they can take a hit, dish it out, be decently fast, good insurance and require relatively low SP. A Cane will still curb stomp most HACS if you let it and that means people who can't fly T2/T3 or don't want to commit that amount of uninsurable ship cost have an option.

Seriously, "T1 sucks because T2" is dumb logic.

Same with commadn ships.. how often you see command ships fighting?