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What maths are you doing? A BC T3 haves the same guns (check), a cheaper tank and a cheaper hull plus cheaper rigs.

The tank is cheaper, but also far lower, leaving the same EHP/ISK. Hull is approx 3-5 mill less, which is about the cost of one gun.

So it boils down to rig costs. Of course Tier 3 BS will vastly outmaneuver Tier 1 BS, so they will always get away as opposed to Tier 1 BS. Anyway - far from "a fraction of the price".

You have never PvPed, have you? And somehow, I don't think you've ever left hisec either...

In PvP, you generally have to choose between gank and tank. You can tank to no end (i.e.: you are Drake bait), and can't do jack for gank... or you can gank very well, and die in a fire the moment you get primaried.

There is absolutely no reason to have both tank and gank on a single hull.

You must have a weakness, and a strength.

Short: If You think that new battlecruisers have REALLY LOW effective hit points and tank please type something like agree or signed as an answer to this topic.

Long: I was on test server few days ago. I saw new battlecruisers. They have a problems.
1st no chance to take of any frigate in disruptor range.
2nd they have no shields\armor\structure or resources to change this situation. I tried active and passive tank but in first situation there were no cap regeneration to fit actual hp regeneration (300 ehp/sec on faction npc without ab is the top situation on t2 modules) in second there is no chance to fit it better than cruiser with big pen... guns.In fact there were no pg and cap to fit dual armor rep, no cap for stable large shield booster work, no base hp and pg for good passive tank.

Ok. Weakness against small ships is a payment for great dps. But low tank make those ships useless in pve and their only role in pvp would be suicide impossible missions (except minmatars one).

This is my point of view and i want CCP knows if i`m not alone. Thks for reading.

They certainly are not meant to fly without support.

They are Battlecruisers. They are ingame to bring big guns against enemy BS for a fraction of a BS cost, to the price of not having BS protection.

To answer your question without trolling:

Yes, they are 100% useless for PvE because they are ONLY PvP ships.

*abuseofnicehullsmakesmesad*

These ships are not meant for fighting frigs, or even cruisers, unless you drop a turret for a neut or sit at 100km and one shot friggies

Short: If You think that new battlecruisers have REALLY LOW effective hit points and tank please type something like agree or signed as an answer to this topic.

Long: I was on test server few days ago. I saw new battlecruisers. They have a problems.
1st no chance to take of any frigate in disruptor range.
2nd they have no shields\armor\structure or resources to change this situation. I tried active and passive tank but in first situation there were no cap regeneration to fit actual hp regeneration (300 ehp/sec on faction npc without ab is the top situation on t2 modules) in second there is no chance to fit it better than cruiser with big pen... guns.In fact there were no pg and cap to fit dual armor rep, no cap for stable large shield booster work, no base hp and pg for good passive tank.

Ok. Weakness against small ships is a payment for great dps. But low tank make those ships useless in pve and their only role in pvp would be suicide impossible missions (except minmatars one).

This is my point of view and i want CCP knows if i`m not alone. Thks for reading.

The problem the new BCs is that they're really fragile and cost as much as a BS. I almost certainly won't fly them unless I need the range from large guns for some reason (meaning engaging from 120km+).

-Liang

they arent that low on ehp , 30k-40k for close ranged fit, if you go for tank

The problem the new BCs is that they're really fragile and cost as much as a BS. I almost certainly won't fly them unless I need the range from large guns for some reason (meaning engaging from 120km+).

-Liang

I think they also need a penalty to tracking and webs or something to ensure that they can only hit BC/BS+

The hell battlships are you buying? The Tier 3's based on minerals needed will cost:

Naga: 40,000,000
Tornado: 40,000,000
Talos: 50,00,000
Oracle: 50,000,000

That's with a nice markup for some decent profits. They are cheap as hell compared to even a Tier 1 battleship.

The Naga shouldn't be thrown into the same class as the Talos. In fact, tier 3 battle-cruisers are suppose to be specifically designed for fleet engagements. Only 3 of these ships are optimal for such engagements. A blaster Naga, with its long falloff and optimal will be used in small engagements to skirmish and be as effective as a Tornado. The difference in velocity between teir 3 battle-cruisers are not that great either (bar penalties).

Blasters will have the best tracking of any turret PERIOD.

Something the Talos will take serious advantage of. As it is the only effective close range tier 3. There are 2 setups I have in mind for the Talos that will and has MURDERED other teir 3 battle-cruisers once in range. I've even tested the Talos dual propulsion, which will become one of my standard set-ups and another without stasis webifier at all.

The Talos is funny, because once it gets to a certain range. Most tier 3 battle-cruisers cannot track other teir 3 battle-cruiser. Talos and Naga can do that way better than the others. Thing is, the Naga can do it @ close, medium and long range (with web).

Once you throw a after-burner on the Talos though (dual propulsion, with stasis webifier) @ a certain range. You can effectively apply your damage, while another teir 3 battle-cruiser cannot.

This is a example of the set-up. I use lowest teir blasters for MAXIMUM tracking. You're able to abuse the tracking of most battle-cruisers in this ship, even a shield-Hurricane (unless neuted to sh!t). Although you would screw your own tracking in the attempt or a Brutix with a stasis webifier applied. Much easier to do against other tier 3 battle-cruisers than lower teirs. Every other teir 3 battle-cruiser will die horribly to frigates even with dual stasis webfier applied. This also helps you get out of range of other cruisers, battle-cruisers or battleships. That may be holding you. Something I only used on cruisers previously.


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