I would like to suggest a new "Set Standing" of SuperBlue so that if you set a another player to that, regardless of them being in other corps or even wartargets, you instantly become best buddies and can target/web/open fire on each other without consequence (as if you were in corp togheter)

You are the scum of the EvE. But don't worry, no one is taking your gank away, except now you have to, you know, play the game and gank, instead of having one guy bump till you finish your **** and grab a shower and show up in the game, ya know?

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FYI even empty freighter is being ganked, not only those who load 10b ISK inside.

Daichy Yamato: Simply no. Ejecting is not an option.

Problem with bumping is that there is no defense. You say webbing, but that happens before bumping. Once bumping is in place, you are ******. Simple as that. You say, attack the bumper, no. This is not correct way. You want your friends to gank the ganker? So they lose ships for no value (bumper doesn't drop much) and their security status? Are you insane?!

So, do give a good reason why freighter bumping in hisec to disallow leaving grid needs to be allowed for a ganker?

Scrambler and disruptor does the same thing, disallows leaving grid. The time it takes for a freighter to get back to stargate is longer than the time it takes concord to kill the suiciders. So what is it that bumping is required for in hisec freighter killing (you know, what this threads about)

This is one option, their are many ways around this if CCP makes it so. A heavily tanked freighter may still push the bounds of ganking limits. Just like with miner gankers, the freighter gankers would have to use a calculator to make that call. Instead of just copy and pasting cargo values, they would also have to establish EHP and so forth. Really its the gankers who are ALSO using dumb down play. ( x cargo value = gank -set number of ships required based on hull-. ) should have to do more math ( x cargo value + freighter EHP = gank+ number of ships required )

exactly my point. orca ganking requires these computations, why should not a freighter?

So what you're saying is, it's harder to gank if you can't just start bumping someone and gank when you've gotten all your friends in place? Sounds like you want to make ganking easier, how bout you try wow?

Guess you're just another ganker that wants ccp to do their job for them.

At lest that way, freighter pilot can use logoffski during gate cloak to attempt to save the freighter and cargo. He can't do that with bumping. Without bumping, he still has (meta)fighting chance to win "PVP" match, with it he has none.

I do not own freighter yet, so I don't know, but since when was this fixed? I thought you could log off at any time, during the cloak, then disappear minute afterwards (you use cloak to prevent aggro 15m timer).

Saying ganking is hard and requires ingame knollage is bullshit. With bumping, you only need to bump a whale, gathe people when they bother to come in, then do a countdown and shoot.

This is all it requires, ...

Now your fleet is locked from doing anything and the characters in the fleet are locked from doing anything until next dt comes. This is great gameplay right? Now are you going to bring ships to gank these bumpers?

Can't dock when bumped to 200kmk off the station, stop evading the issue. The end result will be the same if you've just jumped through a stargate and start getting bumped.

edit: Estrella , stop evading the issue

You are not answering the question, that is avoiding the issue.

Edit: just to add, you are basicly saying, a freighter needs to always have a webbing alt or it g¦¦e¦¦t¦¦s¦¦ can be ganked (you earlier said you gank empty freighters for testing purposes).

Tbh, i think ccp saying "upto 20 minutes is okay" would be great, with the sudden influx of idiots bumping freighters going up ccp would be forced to think about something.

Bumping a freighter does not require a friend, .

Is 20 minutes too short for you to get your ganking buddies? HTFU?

Dear ammzi, there is no time limit you idiot. Stop being dumb. For it to become harrassment, you need to be able to get away. That is the ccp ruling. And what is indefinite time in the end, is it me saying "you're stuck here forever" or is it enough if i say "you're stuck till my bro's come back from china to gank you", or is keeping someone thisway for 5 minutes enough already ?

And stop being an imbecile with your whiny "web it web it webit", webbing isn't a natural mechanic,

Thanks for making this clear, can't argue with webs when they can't be used eh. Whats the disadvantage for an npc corp bumper btw?

Ah, but then i'd be open for wardeccing which would just make my freighter completely useless :O does this mean freighters are completely at the mercy of others ? Sounds to me like it's a useless ship.

I did, you want to quote it? I dont see anything addressing "attempting to leave but unable to"


In fact the last rule clarification regarding bumping titans before they go into e-warp is pretty similar.
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/exploit-bumping-in-order-to-prevent-e-warp



A freighter attempting to "leave the area" is 'utterly helpless'

This thread , like the topic sais is about "why freighter bumping in high sec is an exploit",

exploit
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2.
make use of (a situation) in a way considered unfair or underhand.
"the company was exploiting a legal loophole"

- Once bumped, can not be in anyway escaped from

- Other players may help but must lose ships and security status in order to do so

- Is used as a way of warp disrupting without having to aggress

- Creates risk free ganking (target cannot escape, sufficient numbers can be gotten with time, unlimited planning time)

- Webbing does not give 100% guarantee of safety and requires an additional account while perma bump requires only one.

- Subsequent ganking requires more, but being safe from said gank isn't guaranteed even with unlimited amount of fleet members helping. While successful gank can always be made.

You haven't said a single thing on how to escape except "call yo corp bros" one. Which makes no sense unless you want to gank the bumper?

And what risk do gankers risk while doing this?