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Derk Bombay	Posted - 2006.04.04 18:51:00 - [1] CCP said they were working on it. Guess its not going to happen. Have they done anything with this? Doesn't look like it. I closed my accounts after the patch in Dec 05 after they changed the font in the game. There is no way I'm going to sit with my face smashed into the monitor so i can read things. Well, just dropped by with a trial account to check it. If anyone has more information on this problem, let me know, else my accounts will stay closed. hmm 4 months x $30 and I'm not the only one.
lofty29	Posted - 2006.04.04 18:54:00 - [2] I know of people who have changed the font via external 'modding'. Apparantly its quite easy to...not that I'd know or anything...heh...** --------------------------- Originally by:** Oveur I see boobies! \o/
Kurren	Posted - 2006.04.04 19:15:00 - [3] When in game... -Hit the "Esc" key... -Check the menus and fiddle around with the font sizes... -Hit the "Close Window" button... -Think to yourself about how easy that was... -Go about your happy day. --- --- --- --- SobaKai.com
Jason Kildaro	Posted - 2006.04.04 19:30:00 - [4] Originally by: Derk Bombay CCP said they were working on it. Guess its not going to happen. Have they done anything with this? Doesn't look like it. I closed my accounts after the patch in Dec 05 after they changed the font in the game. There is no way I'm going to sit with my face smashed into the monitor so i can read things. Well, just dropped by with a trial account to check it. If anyone has more information on this problem, let me know, else my accounts will stay closed. hmm 4 months x $30 and I'm not the only one. What are you trying to say? "$4 months X 30" are you trying to say that because they did not change the font to suit you that CCP is going to fail? That they are losing money? Are you saying it is neccessary for them to amend thier ways with you so that you will open up your account? Just as easily as I can say "pfft 3 years and I'm not the only one" or "117k accounts with about 30k having opened since you left"
Sanctus Maleficus	Posted - 2006.04.04 19:32:00 - [5] What is this font problem people always mention? The only problems I've had is that at 1600x1200, the smallest chat font is a bit tough to read, but theres buttons to change it. Also, some of the smaller buttons, like stuff in the Offices menu at stations is pretty small. Otherwise, all else is fine. Now, playing on a 44in lcd projection TV the text is a bit tough to read, but I kind of expected that... fun to play on the couch though, when doing something mind numbing (like mining or courier missions).
Eternal Fury	Posted - 2006.04.04 19:46:00 - [6] For people with certain graphics cards or onboard ones for laptops, some of them the fonts are very hard to read, or in the case of some of the laptop graphics, the text is not there at all. I have a friend who REALLY wants to play, but he only has a laptop. And it won't show any fonts. we tried every trick we could find, but it just would not go. - - Please don't attack me. My ship is defragging it's hard drive. H.L. Mencken.
Viduus	Posted - 2006.04.04 19:47:00 - [7] Originally by: Derk Bombay CCP said they were working on it. Guess its not going to happen. Have they done anything with this? Doesn't look like it. I closed my accounts after the patch in Dec 05 after they changed the font in the game. There is no way I'm going to sit with my face smashed into the monitor so i can read things. Well, just dropped by with a trial account to check it. If anyone has more information on this problem, let me know, else my accounts will stay closed. hmm 4 months x $30 and I'm not the only one. You're not paying $30 a months for fonts.
Sireene	Posted - 2006.04.04 20:15:00 - [8] The fots are very fine. I have no idea about what fonts you are talking about
Tachy	Posted - 2006.04.04 20:19:00 - [9] Great that you have no problem. The font is horrible to read on many CRT, but fine on LCD. Eyes are tired after 2-3 hours in EVE. The Chinese, Japanese, Cyrillic signs are fine, just not the letters I am used to read. It is only a problem in EVE - and in other programs with the EVE font. If there was a way to use another font in EVE, I'd do it instantly. --==*-- Megadon CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray
Sireene	Posted - 2006.04.04 20:24:00 - [10] I have CRT 17", and of course using normal font, european
Astorothe	Posted - 2006.04.04 20:43:00 - [11] Originally by: lofty29 I know of people who have changed the font via external 'modding'. Apparantly its quite easy to...not that I'd know or anything...heh...**** Not condoned, but frowned upon, there is a very simple and easy fix for fonts.. or so I have heard cough Eve Corp for the Role Players Gaming Network Members
Amerrus Eka	Posted - 2006.04.04 20:45:00 - [12] Indeed, fonts are very hard to read at 1600x1200 and bigger sizes and different fonts would be greatly appreciated.
Kurren	Posted - 2006.04.04 20:54:00 - [13] Y'all do realize that you can make the fonts bigger in the *chat windows, right? Maybe we should try clicking a few things in-game before clicking a bunch of things out of game. Also... /me points to the third post... --- --- --- ---* SobaKai.com
Tachy	Posted - 2006.04.04 21:08:00 - [14] It isn't only about font size. The letters are designed against each and every font single design rule. The letters are blurry. The spacing is bad. Leading dots are jsut assimilated into the following letter and numbers. Numbers, letter and signs are looking very similar. O0, HMN, 6&G, ;: ,. and 8B are just some of the sets. There are numbers and letters in more than just the chat window, and the font size can't be changed for all lists. Journal, Skill list, market aren't easy to read. Oh, and the tiny font is as big as the medium one, just easier readable - and both aren't big enough to be read easily. --==*-- Megadon CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray
Kurren	Posted - 2006.04.04 21:19:00 - [15] Originally by: Tachy It isn't only about font size. The letters are designed against each and every font single design rule. The letters are blurry. The spacing is bad. Leading dots are jsut assimilated into the following letter and numbers. Numbers, letter and signs are looking very similar. O0, HMN, 6&G, ;: ,. and 8B are just some of the sets. There are numbers and letters in more than just the chat window, and the font size can't be changed for all lists. Journal, Skill list, market aren't easy to read. Oh, and the tiny font is as big as the medium one, just easier readable - and both aren't big enough to be read easily. Try large... it's right next to medium.... on the right side. The font was chosen for the players that don't speak English as well for the poeple that do. It's uni-code(I believe that's the correct term). It's a font that can change from Romanian to English to Spanish to ________ all at once. The font is fine... you're glasses/monitor might not be... --- --- --- --- SobaKai.com
Phoenix Lord	Posted - 2006.04.04 21:24:00 - [16] I got used to the font, theres nothing wrong with it. TBH, now that i look back, the old font seemed a bit cartoony and didnt suit EVE. I run EVE with 1280x1024 res on a CRT and i have the fonts on the smallest (default) settings. My eyesight is also **, so the font is not bad, at all. __________________________________________________ Quote:** Hyenrg1 > i am down for light spankings but nothing crazy.
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.04.04 21:28:00 - [17] "What are you trying to say? "$4 months X 30" are you trying to say that because they did not change the font to suit you that CCP is going to fail? That they are losing money? Are you saying it is neccessary for them to amend thier ways with you so that you will open up your account?" No, he's simply saying CCP's decision to keep the font in its current completely messed up shape is costing them a customer, and quite likely not just this one. This while there's zero reasons really for this font to remain with its current looks. If it's ok with devs, then fine. But they can't really pretend this issue does not exist or has been fixed since it was originally reported.
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.04.04 21:31:00 - [18] "The font was chosen for the players that don't speak English as well for the poeple that do. It's uni-code(I believe that's the correct term). It's a font that can change from Romanian to English to Spanish to ________ all at once." The looks of the font have nothing to do with it being unicode or not. The font you see on this very web page? it's unicode too on most modern systems. But yet it has none of readability issues the EVE font has.
Xascor	Posted - 2006.04.04 21:40:00 - [19] Originally by: Kurren Y'all do realize that you can make the fonts bigger in the *chat windows, right? Maybe we should try clicking a few things in-game before clicking a bunch of things out of game. You do realize we aren't all idiots either. Every ingame font change has been tried by many of us since this patch was deployed. We have had to accept that the font causes us to get 6 inches from the monitor to read it at times. We have also learned to accept the horrible patterns of similar characters that just cause you to guess as to which one is being used (like 6&G for instance). CCP make multiple font sizes and styles available ingame. Large, medium, small (current size) with 2 to 3 font types. Make the game readable at high resolution on normal screen sizes. As for anyone that says it's not important, this is a multiplayer game right? Chat is the primary means of communication right? Chat uses the font right? Shouldn't that font be legible to everyone? If anyone has the directions that replaces the ingame font with a new one, please evemail me with it. Time to fix it myself if CCP can't/won't.* -------------------------------------------------- Insomnia is nothing to lose sleep over.
Pontious Podpilot	Posted - 2006.04.04 21:43:00 - [20] "esc" "generic" tab "font width" <----select "expanded"
Kylania	Posted - 2006.04.04 21:49:00 - [21] Originally by: Pontious Podpilot "esc" / "generic" tab / "font width" / "expanded" Even that doesn't help completely. I spend a lot of time on chat helping people and my eyes start to really hurt after a while. The font is not the same as it used to be, not even close. -- Lil Miner
Derk Bombay	Posted - 2006.04.04 21:56:00 - [22] Most of you know exactly what I'm talking about. Others that say it's just settings, stfu. If I set my monitor back down to 1024x768, well then I can play. I'm not going to do that. It's simple. Fix the problem, or I refuse to play. Not like there aren't other games out there. And I'm perfectly happy playing them. This isn't the premo end all other games, game. I just wanted to know if they fixed it, or there was a fix that I didn't know about. That's all the further I go. I'm out.
Tachy	Posted - 2006.04.04 22:01:00 - [23] Originally by: Kurren Useless stuff I wonder if there are glasses that fix the EVE font issues that happen only with this font, and only in parts of the charset and in other programs too when I use the EVE font there. There are many unicode fonts that do not have these problems. There are many programs that do not have the spacing issues EVE has atm. Quote: Try large ... I do that already because the small and medium settings are to small to be read comfortably at a res of 1280x1024 on a 17" CRT. I know how to place a computer system and illuminate it. I do it for a living. Thank you. Quote: you're glasses/moitor might not be... I certainly do not buy a new monitor because one program has a badly designed and often bugreported font. And I do not go and learn Chinese and play on the Chinese server once it goe live so I can use the easily readable chars of the used font. Just renaming another unicode font and infecting EVE with it doesn't work because the font rendering engine is a hand made one and doesn't follow the 'usual' rulesets. --==*-- Megadon CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.04.04 22:07:00 - [24] Edited by: Maya Rkell on 04/04/2006 22:07:46 It's especially bad on Illyama CRT's. Which I use here AND at work, because otherwise they are among the best CRT's I have ever used. "The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer
Arigato	Posted - 2006.04.05 02:55:00 - [25] Originally by: Tachy Originally by: Kurren you're glasses/moitor might not be... I certainly do not buy a new monitor because one program has a badly designed and often bugreported font. And I do not go and learn Chinese and play on the Chinese server once it goe live so I can use the easily readable chars of the used font. Just renaming another unicode font and infecting EVE with it doesn't work because the font rendering engine is a hand made one and doesn't follow the 'usual' rulesets. I'm not suggesting you buy anything. When I play Eve at work (on an old ass monitor) the font is tiny and hard to read, but when i play at home (on a still old, but newer monitor) evertything comes in fine... perfectly, actually. Also, I don't wear glasses, but perscriptions do run out... eye sight changes... both of these are possibilities. When the font works great for a large amount of people... you might start checking YOUR system instead of making them change theirs. I'm not trying to **** people off. It happens though
Ganeus Blancus	Posted - 2006.04.05 03:16:00 - [26] I have no problem with the main utility text, it's fine. What I really miss is the old serif font for "Warp Drive Active" and the region names on the map. The current font for that is just awful, imo. Look upon this and yearn for the old font. I know I do.
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.04.05 05:15:00 - [27] "When the font works great* for a large amount of people... you might start checking YOUR system instead of making them change theirs."* Alternatively when one day one has no problem with reading game font and the next day there _is_ obvious problem... and the only change in that period was not quality of one's eyesight nor one's monitor, but the font used in game client ... and when readability issues happen in only one place, which is the game client.... i'd say the culprit of problem is rather easy to pinpoint. This been discussed pretty much to death when the font was originally introduced. It is significantly less readable on number of monitors and for number of users, compared to old typeface. The readability can be improved by making the font much wider/larger through game settings, at the expense of amount of info that's being shown. Some people are not satisfied with this sort of half-assed pseudo-solution and choose to voice it, asking for a fix. Telling them to get better eyesight or better monitor isn't going to solve it because the issue is with font rather than either of these things.
Kurren	Posted - 2006.04.05 13:55:00 - [28] Originally by: j0sephine "When the font works great* for a large amount of people... you might start checking YOUR system instead of making them change theirs."* Alternatively when one day one has no problem with reading game font and the next day there _is_ obvious problem... and the only change in that period was not quality of one's eyesight nor one's monitor, but the font used in game client ... and when readability issues happen in only one place, which is the game client.... i'd say the culprit of problem is rather easy to pinpoint. This been discussed pretty much to death when the font was originally introduced. It is significantly less readable on number of monitors and for number of users, compared to old typeface. The readability can be improved by making the font much wider/larger through game settings, at the expense of amount of info that's being shown. Some people are not satisfied with this sort of half-assed pseudo-solution and choose to voice it, asking for a fix. Telling them to get better eyesight or better monitor isn't going to solve it because the issue is with font rather than either of these things. People are usually against change. Introducing a new font (which they did and then reverted BACK to the current one) only causes negativity. Introducing a new anything only causes negativity. People were against Titans. The fact remains that a tiny... really tiny... percentage of people still complain about the font. Most of us either had no problem with it to begin with or are now used to it. I see no real reason why 6 people complaining should change anything. Esspecially when the ring leader says things like: Originally by: Derk Bombay Edited by: Derk Bombay on 04/04/2006 22:13:33 Most of you know exactly what I'm talking about. Others that say it's just settings, stfu. The font is fine. It can be adjusted, and your windows can be resized to fit the adjustments. Also, the fact that somebody plays a game at a higher screen resolution doesn't constitute the necessity for a change of anything. If you play at a higher resolution, your fonts will be smaller. Demanding that CCP change the game because YOU don't want to open your Settings window and bring your resoltuion down is errogant and empty-minded. The size of the font has become not their fault. You can make a change, but the font itself is fine. --- --- --- --- SobaKai.com
Astorothe	Posted - 2006.04.05 14:07:00 - [29] Edited by: Astorothe on 05/04/2006 14:12:00 To be devils advocate, I'm pretty sure it's more than 6 people who dont like it :) I dont know if it's a majority or not, and nor do I give it much thought - I've gone ahead and fixed it on my system and that suits ~me~ fine, because afterall, it's ~me~ who uses my system and I dont like the original font. Eve Corp for the Role Players Gaming Network Members
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.04.05 15:18:00 - [30] Edited by: j0sephine on 05/04/2006 15:25:50 "People are usually against change." And in this particular case there's a god damn good reason for that negativity. Just go ahead -- try to justify exactly why problems with readability and less information displayed by font which needs to be enlarged so it doesn't cause confusion ... is change for good? (don't give me the unicode excuse because like already pointed out, this has nothing to do with shape of font, and it's the shape that's causing problems) "The fact remains that a tiny... really tiny... percentage of people still complain about the font. Most of us either had no problem with it to begin with or are now used to it. I see no real reason why 6 people complaining should change anything." I went quiet about the font after kieron posted there's three devs directed to the task of fixing it, due to amount of complaints, and asked people to stop bringing this up. This was four months ago. There was no effects of "dedicated dev work" since then, and no response to occasional inquiries if anything is even being done in this matter. Having waited four months? I have enough of playing it nice and pretending there is no pink elephant in the middle of room in hope it some day goes away. The font still is a piece of unreadable garbage. And without some sort of poll i don't think you have any base to claim anything in regards to how many people are 'fine' with it, and how many are not. There's no "most of us" here and you're not self-appointed voice of majority. There's just you and me with different opinions on the issue. "Demanding that CCP change the game because YOU don't want to open your Settings window and bring your resoltuion down is errogant and empty-minded." As opposed to telling me to reduce amount of info i receive in game to half of old amount, because someone is hell-bent on keeping current wretched typeface, readability issues non-withstanding? Surely you jest. No, what's arrogant and empty-minded is to tell people to shut up and get their eyes checked and that there's no problem, because you personally don't see it.

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