So we just use 5x Wing leaders with drone assists on them for a full fleet?

Just saying...

Near Infinite?

Maaaate. Nobody was spending 4b on drones before this change, certainly they aren't going to start now.

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Are any new force multipliers planned to fight massed battleships?

not going to happen. ccp likes sub caps. because goons like sub caps.

honestly when was the last time a capital ship was boosted? I think since 06 when i started to play there has been nothing but rebalance nerfs to them... only boost would be to dreads with tech II siege mod and reduced to 5 min instead of 10.

dreads are more then fine.

fighters are crap which is why drone assist was key...

Personally I would have prefered they keep drone assist and just remove drones from carriers and then fix fighters.

as for super carriers... half the build cost remove the e-war ability and let them dock...

as for titans? Just remove them from game or turn them into semi anchorable outposts. make them a very large deployable structure.

Then fix tidi. The problem is tidi, not drone assist. People afk in 6 hour tidi fights. No one sits at their computer for 6 straight hours if they don't have drones deployed.

I've stated multiple times why:

An in game entity has publicly stated that it wanted a mechanic used by its enemy removed from the game, they then engaged in a posting spree and a mechanics overload to attempt to sway the game developer who in the CFC's own words "didn't see the mechanic as a problem". Changing a game mechanic because an ingame entity wants you to is the slippery of slipperiest slopes that as a developer they should never go down, especially when the rest of anything dealing with drones is in such terrifyingly bad shape.

Fix drones, as a whole, not just the part that one ingame entity is attempting to twist y our arm about. Fix Afk mechanics, not just the mechanics that one ingame entity is crying about. Do this and it doesn't matter what mechanic you change because its a fair and balanced approach that the entire game benefits from, not just appeasing a portion of the player base because they waged some stupid forum war.

Forum wars and propaganda wars are supposed to go on between alliances, when the game developer starts falling victim to it then you're wading deep into dangerous territory.

No, I meant exactly what I just said.


Is English not your first language?

Yea, cause it's far beyond an F1 monkey's capability. You couldn't manage to train your monkeys to expand beyond that so you cry.

Yea, just like the bigger the turd the more it smells.

You know this isn't true and it is ridiculous to even make that claim. I don't think any alliance in this game would be opposed to mechanic changes that promote more widespread tactical combat over both sides putting max dudes on grid for one timer.

You don't honestly think anyone actually enjoys playing in Tidi do you?

Bombers can not effectively fight in tidi, which I already pointed out but was conveniently ignored.

I wonder why?

One thing everyone does agree on is Tidi is ****, and does not make the game enjoyable, and really all it does is promote the minimalist playstyle. I said it a few pages back but, if CCP is concerned about people playing WoT and PoE while in a fleet fight instead of playing EvE, they should be looking at the reasons why people would rather be playing WoT or PoE instead of EvE.

hahahaha, what are you even talking about?

I guess you have never flown a bomber in tidi before.

Or maybe you are delusional somewhat. Clarify the drivel about "high skillpoints" - because we all know bombers are a high SP ship...

But don't pretend Tidi is some enjoyable emergent gameplay. It is a terrible terrible gaming experience, and you are a terrible liar if you claim otherwise.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

So I guess we are both on the same page that there needs to be more tools to attack larger groups of players.

Right so obviously CCP shouldn't bother adressing the issues as to why we feel the need to put max dudes onto a grid at high noon.

Right and you should just win by virtue of having more idiots.

Get out of here with your ****.

Well of course. That explains why you guys go out of your way to have CCP nerf anything that doesn't follow the N+1 Mentality.

I still think flying drakes with Sig Radius bigger than Dreadnaughts into Titans, then complaining that they were getting blapped out of the sky was brilliant though. This recent one of massing Domis just to strain servers for 4 months, to get Archons nerfed against sub Capitals was pretty good too though.

This reminds me of that youtube video of BNI flying 20 jumps into CFC territory, directly into VFK at the end.

They:

1) Never encountered a single hostile ship or gate camp
2) Did not even get offered a fight once they got there, even after they:
3) Rubbed their thoraxes all over the station.
4) Complained about the lack of content and emergent gameplay provided by CFC

So much content.

In my experience, most of CFC territory is carebear space with no content to speak of. You never see roaming fleets looking for random fights. The only thing CFC will form up for is stuff that threatens their sov.

Much respect for the Brave Newbies. They, at least, actually make content.

Going out of your way to bring a fight to somebody on their own turf is pretty much the definition of content.

Well ya, they have thousands of tear filled posts about how OP Archons are and how boring drone assist makes fleets. Obviously thats concrete data, hell 3 weeks ago all the Russians in the game were going to quit EVE over it. Well until they shat all over Archons anyway.

You should go back and read my posts then. I don't care that DA is being changed. I care that it doesn't actually solve any of the problems, and that it comes across as an appeasement than a fix. I care that CCP Rise instead of fixing actual issues is just once again kicking a can down the street.

You just ignore everything that doesn't go your way

For example: I point out that you forgot to read the original post in the thread, and you turn it around and start vomiting insults and ranting nonsensically about "disproving" and "high isk high sp."

Again, have you read the original post?

Did you fail to notice that nowhere does it mention ship balance?

We are making this change primarily to address the first point, but also hope to have a positive effect on performance by allowing more room for other weapon systems in the fleet meta.

You claimed it had something to do with balance - a claim not supported by anybody, anywhere.

I'm not the who should be feeling embarrassed.

Next time read the OP before replying to a 70+ page post, then you won't mistakenly think something is about balance, when it is not.

...It effects carriers more because they can launch twice as many sentries. No other reason.

It affects carriers more because they can launch twice as many drones.

No other reason that I can see stated.

Also, the word "because" means why -- not how.

Im not parroting **** buddy. I am saying the change is ******* redundant. Drone assist does not cause issues with this game at all. The only time in the history of this game that it was deemed and issue was when CFC went out of their way to make it one. Period.

If you have an issue with doctrines using assigned sentries. Use a fleet doctrine that out ranges them. Problem solved.

Its only a blight because of the context. When an entity states they are explicitly trying to break the game to show a mechanic causes a problem that is no longer natural game function, but intent to cause harm to the game. There is a fine line between exploiting a bad mechanic and manufacturing a poor mechanic.

No the reason that drones were there is because SlowCats are the best defensive fleet one can field becuase of the defensive capability and versatility of Carriers. The reason subcap drone doctrines became a thing is because Rise opted to go ahead with changes to drones and drone boats, in spite of the community telling him that he is going to create an issue with drones down the road.

And here we are.

If people pushing buttons is the ultimate goal....get rid of assist all together.

WHAT, I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE ROAR OF THE CELESTIS FLEET, SPEAK UP (edit: or RR BS or Tengu fleet or Ahacs that are made up entirely of zealots)