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Tauranon
Weeesearch
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2014.02.28 05:32:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Mrs Mayo wrote:I would ask that Erotica 1 delete the collection of sordid real life personal pictures that he has amassed from victims of his in game scam where he asks for real life pictures in exchange for the promise of in game rewards.
Sabriz Adoudel the fact a current CSM called your friend out as "Creepy" should open your eyes.
If you think that requesting pictures of people smearing themselves with stuff is funny then you are a lost soul I'm trying to picture you reading any of this with a straight face. Perhaps we should have Senate hearings on the matter.
You are in fact creepy, and I demand an *impeachment.
*may require you to be voted into public office first and 'bonus room' an intern.
On a serious note, if you are US based, and your participant is US based, if you aren't already I'd get 2 party consent before recording (or start the recording with the other parties consent). US fed law if the other player is in a different state, and yeah that may tell you that pushing it all too far is possible, whether or not you have ever received pictures ( a fact I don't need to know ).
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
CODE.
3932
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Posted - 2014.02.28 05:54:00 -
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Yes, every bonus round starts with a recording of the contestant agreeing to be recorded and have the recording possibly placed on an Eve Online fansite for public listening. I'm no lawyer, but that seems to be good common sense regardless. We specifically ask that players do not reveal their real names or other details that make identifying them outside of game possible. If they start to go too far, we immediately cut them off and ask they be more vague. While bonus rounds are fun, and funny sometimes, for all involved, the steps we take to protect the players go far beyond the vast majority of recordings you find online for EVE or any other game. There were a small handful of photos offered by contestants. Of those, we said look, that's cool and all, but please if you feel the need to share that, cover your face with a sign. The lady pics referenced earlier were a complete shock and were the idea of a bu player's girlfriend who said something to the effect of "I wanted to give pics for nerds to fap to."
DJ got mad at the HR thread and his rage was insatiable. Guys who thought the bonus rounds. in their entirety, were hilarious suddenly all at once said they were creepy when told to say this. My yahoo account was hacked, real life details posted on the forum, and I was blackmailed by a gsf director. I caved in and we reached a deal. Everytime you beat the dead horse on your forum alts and lie about the whole thing, bringing it up in every thread I post in, all that happens is I really start to rethink things.
Maybe I should run for CSM. Maybe I should release details of the blackmail.
But guys, it's just a video game. Try to remember that.
See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Christian Lionbate
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2014.02.28 06:49:00 -
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Davish Krail wrote "because you scam clueless pubbies" This made me giggle. Isn't that the raison d'etre of every scammer? Its certainly something many a goon has been cash cowing for years with the much publicised recruitment scam. Who else but the clueless would fall for it? Hoist with ones own petard springs to mind. |
Davish Krail
83
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Posted - 2014.02.28 06:56:00 -
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Christian Lionbate wrote:Davish Krail wrote "because you scam clueless pubbies" This made me giggle. Isn't that the raison d'etre of every scammer? Its certainly something many a goon has been cash cowing for years with the much publicised recruitment scam. Who else but the clueless would fall for it? Hoist with ones own petard springs to mind.
Okay but then watch me build a sub-par CSM campaign about it and then maybe I'll get my victims to send me pictures of themselves covered in ads for my CSM campaigns or other delicious condiments. I'll also post some ideas about Roids disappearing as well.
Wait. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
CODE.
3935
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Posted - 2014.02.28 07:03:00 -
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Making ore disappear from game and having carebears have to team up together to solve the mystery in team oriented missions...
I still love the idea.
See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
ElCholo
Trans-Solar Works
Terrible Space Warriors
91
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Posted - 2014.02.28 23:08:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:
On a serious note, if you are US based, and your participant is US based, if you aren't already I'd get 2 party consent before recording (or start the recording with the other parties consent). US fed law if the other player is in a different state, and yeah that may tell you that pushing it all too far is possible, whether or not you have ever received pictures ( a fact I don't need to know ).
In some states it's legal to record with only a single party consent. If the second party is outside your state it doesn't matter as the recording, and thus the laws of the state that the recording is taking place in, is the one that matters. However, depending on the photos and videos crossing state lines, even if digitally, there could be federal laws being broken. Especially if any of the people in said photos / videos are minors. Regardless if they claim to not be minors.
Erotica 1 wrote:Yes, every bonus round starts with a recording of the contestant agreeing to be recorded and have the recording possibly placed on an Eve Online fansite for public listening. I'm no lawyer, but that seems to be good common sense regardless.
Remember that if they are under age that they can't legally give their consent. So, in that regards, be very careful. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
CODE.
3958
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Posted - 2014.02.28 23:56:00 -
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I don't think CCP would appreciate we all ask for photo id's before interacting with other players. It wouldn't be a bad idea to have CCP tag minors' accounts with like a little pink icon on or around their profile picture and disable chat.
See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
485
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Posted - 2014.03.01 00:06:00 -
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I'm fairly certain all this is covered under that "online content not subject to rating" style tag..
Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ |
Concerned Mother
Soccer Moms of New Eden
0
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Posted - 2014.03.04 13:07:00 -
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I was sceptical first but showed complete faith and won enough ISK to send my child to the best university of New Eden.
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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
812
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Posted - 2014.03.04 21:45:00 -
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Well, considering trading half-naked pics for items on Amazon wishlists apparently gets a person a job with CCP (Mintchip), the only thing Erotica 1 can be blamed for is not reaching his full potential....
Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Mangala Solaris for CSM 9
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seether veruca
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.03.05 01:21:00 -
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I had fun in Erotica 1's bonus room. I had not been doing much in game and wanted to see how far down the rabbit hole I could go. I knew %100 what it was just wanted to see how it was pulled off and if they made it fun or just some lame attempt to skin a sheep. I started out sending 50mill he sent back 100mill. I sent 200 he sent 400. On to the next alt 50mill got 100 sent 200 got 400. Finally on this alt I sent 600 mill and made it to the bonus room. He ran threw his thing and told me what I had to do. It was going to cost me another 1.4 bill or so on the other alt on this account that I had up for sale anyway so I did it.
I should note I failed my trial before we really started the game (I didn't have full faith with my 3 other 2003 accounts) but Ero let me keep playing in hope that I would come around and show full faith. So knowing I already failed I started my trial's. Over the next few hours I got a real life history lesson a New Order history lesson a lot of laugh's and more. I didn't get to go to the end because it was late and we all needed to log.
Now was it a scam?? I "spent" about 2 bill isk. Or about the same as a welp in a pirate BS. What did I get? Several hours of content a lot of laugh's and got to know some new people. Would he have paid me? Only one way to find out show full faith. I didn't maybe you will. Maybe one day I read a post full of tears or maybe one day I read of how Ero made you space rich only time will tell. |
ElCholo
Trans-Solar Works
Terrible Space Warriors
92
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Posted - 2014.03.05 03:08:00 -
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Nerath Naaris wrote:Well, considering trading half-naked pics for items on Amazon wishlists apparently gets a person a job with CCP (Mintchip), the only thing Erotica 1 can be blamed for is not reaching his full potential....
She got a job with CCP? I'm pretty sure those naked pics of her are still on my old corp's forums. |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
813
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Posted - 2014.03.05 07:57:00 -
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ElCholo wrote:Nerath Naaris wrote:Well, considering trading half-naked pics for items on Amazon wishlists apparently gets a person a job with CCP (Mintchip), the only thing Erotica 1 can be blamed for is not reaching his full potential.... She got a job with CCP? I'm pretty sure that I can't say what I just said....
Yes, Dust community, though.
This also caused quite a Threadnought which was consequently deleted and only this remains.
Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Mangala Solaris for CSM 9
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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
66
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Posted - 2014.03.05 14:14:00 -
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I'm guessing that petition didn't quite work out the way Mrs Mayo had hoped... |
Cap'n Brandy
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.03.06 07:40:00 -
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So, I thought I would just add my story to the list of people that lost isk to Erotica. I'm not going to go into a huge long rant or anything, just air my sadness at the whole affair, and my own stupidity. I'm fairly new to EVE, so I'll just take this as a early lesson in the ways of it. Mistakes are human, but they are opportunities to learn from.
I read around that Erotica 1 was actually legit. So I read her rules (or at least I thought I did, I'll get into that) and sent Erotica 700m Isk for a 3x back. This was within her profiles guidelines as a legit number, and also realized it would be my last since I couldn't double the amount received on another play and be a donor. I got a convo invite from her, which I accepted, and they started talking about the bonus round, which I read earlier got... a little creepy.
They said they would 5x my isk instead of 3x it, but that I had to give api info and join their teamspeak. This confused me, and I thought at first this wasn't part of her bio, so I simply asked for my 3x, not wishing to participate in a bonus round. Being the title of the chat was "Glory Hole" that didn't bode well for the non-creepy aspect. The pressure from others in the chat was immense, they wanted me to badly do this bonus round, which again I said I wasn't interested in. When I mentioned the whole affair wasn't in her rules, they said it was, and that is when I realized my mistake. She purposely puts the info about being the 100th and OBLIGATORY bonus round way off the normal part of the bio where you have to scroll way way down. Quite misleading since it wasn't in plain view. That's when they start demanding your API keys, and getting you in Teamspeak.
Here is my thing, I play games to get away from real life. I've got a stressful enough job irl as is, and I don't typically like irl intrusions in my serious business games (see what I did there?). In no other games do I ever just casually tell people my alts either, I prefer to keep them separate from each other. I like my privacy thank you. Same goes with TS, it breaks the immersion of the game for me.
So when the demand to get on TS and API keys came out, I decided to bail. They told me I would lose the initial 700m if I did so. That did hurt, was a lot for myself. But I'll get over it. Do I think Erotica 1 is somebody you should have faith in? No, I don't, because I think the whole bonus round and trying to hide that part of the rules, while then demanding other things that weren't in her bio at all (api, ts) means this is probably where she makes most of her money. Did I break any of her rules? I suppose in the broadest sense of the word I did so, she got to keep my 700m. Do I really know for sure that I was the 100th person? Nope.
Again, I stress this isn't a complaint, or a rant, just a series of events as I recall them. It's also a warning to any others that may think to try using Erotica 1. I was foolish, and I paid the price.
Also, internet spaceships is some serious damn business don't you know? Losing some isk is one thing, compromising my irl self is much much worse, which I wasn't willing to do.
Damn, this got long didn't it? Oh well. lmao
TLDR Version: I made a 700m donation to Erotica 1 when I didn't want to give out my API info and go into a TS, which isn't in her bio. I'm also an idiot. |
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
26
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Posted - 2014.03.06 08:13:00 -
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Nah not an idiot. You just didnt use google. If I ever decide to send Erotica my Isk to double, I'll know exactly what to expect, be doing it purely for the giggles, will probably be drunk and will have a large jar of mayo to hand. I also wont be crying if I lose everything. Seriously am I the only person who actually researchs things? who listens to shows before I ask to go on them?
Its like that fake exam paper they gave us at school where task 1 was read the whole thing before answering any questions and task 49 was skip questions 2-48. I was the ONLY person in my classroom who finished inside 2 minutes and I sat around for the next 20 watching the teachers laugh their t**s off while my class mates furiously scribbled away and bashed thier calculators. I remember at the time thinking wtf.
Sometimes I really dont understand people.
Erotica 1: "I would create a massive pyramid scheme in Eve to show you what it is, but I'm an honest business person, so you'll just have to find education elsewhere. Start with the wiki link that was linked by a person who didn't even read what he linked."
Theres a reason I play eve XD |
Cap'n Brandy
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.03.06 17:46:00 -
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Tarojan wrote:Nah not an idiot. You just didnt use google. Seriously am I the only person who actually researchs things? who listens to shows before I ask to go on them?
No, you aren't. I've been told many times that if anything, I tend to over research items. I'd call this whole scenario the result of a momentary lack of sanity. It happens to the best of us, and it is what Erotica preys upon for her scam.
Best of luck to you if you decide to give her isk to double. Just watch out for any rules not listed in her Bio, and pray you found "EVERYTHING" via that google search. I for one think you'll just lose your isk though. After all, he has a vested interest in not paying you. |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
CODE.
4096
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Posted - 2014.03.06 18:11:00 -
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Cap'n Brandy wrote:Tarojan wrote:Nah not an idiot. You just didnt use google. Seriously am I the only person who actually researchs things? who listens to shows before I ask to go on them? No, you aren't. I've been told many times that if anything, I tend to over research items. I'd call this whole scenario the result of a momentary lack of sanity. It happens to the best of us, and it is what Erotica preys upon for her scam. Best of luck to you if you decide to give her isk to double. Just watch out for any rules not listed in her Bio, and pray you found "EVERYTHING" via that google search. I for one think you'll just lose your isk though. After all, he has a vested interest in not paying you.
I was hoping you'd be the next Yodaknows. Oh well, maybe someone tonight will win and give us a nice heartwarming story after the whole sohkar thing.
See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Var D'ovoli
IronClad Victory
Slightly Sexual
12
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Posted - 2014.03.07 18:33:00 -
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I wish that I could have been in the TS to hear it live. Live comedy is always much better than recorded. I think the OP should read the bio of Erotica 1 and give it another try. It will work out better next time. Don't give up :) Try again!!! |
Abulurd Boniface
The Scope
Gallente Federation
91
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Posted - 2014.03.10 11:27:00 -
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Admiral Avion wrote:I admit, I was slightly autistic when it comes to making contracts and such, but if someone is asking for all the isk on your account, is that not scamming?
You're really supposed to be responsible for your own actions.
Why are you going to give people of whom you're aware that they are known scammers all your ISK? Why do that? What is the rationale behind that?
Why are people like Erotica 1 doing this kind of thing? BECAUSE there are people like you out there who want to make a quick buck.
Here's a brief course in humanity: scamming works because people are greedy. If people were not greedy, scamming would likely never work [but it would work on the mentally infirm or the very young, obviously].
To me scamming is in-flight entertainment. It is part and parcel of the EVE Online culture and I want it to be there. It also tells me there are still enough greedy people in there, who are just waiting to get sucker-punched, to keep a scammer demographic alive.
Do not complain about scammers. Scammers are not the problem. The people believing in the scam are the people who make scamming a viable enterprise. If people were not greedy there would not be others being able to play/prey on that greed. Think about that.
EVE Online is a free school in valuable life skills. The world is full of people who don't know you who are going to make you unfathomably rich. Just like that! No reason given. They just think you're a swell guy! A Russian female has never met me yet she has determined, from thousands of kilometers away, that I'm the perfect guy! I don't live thousands of kilometers away and even I myself don't think I'm a perfect guy. The reality is that this doesn't happen, of course. That is not how the world works.
You can do two things for yourself that will make your life a lot easier: 1. live within your budget and enjoy life within those constraints [and there is no shortage of things to enjoy free of charge]; 2. don't be greedy. Greed is internal misery. Greedy people never have enough. No amount of money suffices. Give someone who already has more than he needs more money and he'll still anguish over the fact that it's still, somehow, not enough. It is a miserable life filled with anguish, dissatisfaction and frustration. Find yourself someone worthy to love and live within your budget. That's a success of a life right there.
I did not have to come to EVE to learn about that particular bit of wisdom, I can see the need for it every day.
People like Erotica 1 are life's warning that you're doing it wrong. |
Sara Navorski
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
12
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Posted - 2014.03.10 16:53:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:So...
It takes you forever to make a contract,
You can't follow the rules of the bonus room,
And Erotica is the the one pulling a scam?
It never ceases to amaze me how people can be so ignorant.
She is this games most famous and renowned lSK doubler, yet people still seem to mess up the instructions. I mean, she does the bonus round with other past winners of the bonus round in the channel, so all you have to do is ask them for tips and advice if you're struggling.
I guess we'll just live as the lucky few who were able to show complete faith. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries
276
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Posted - 2014.03.10 17:48:00 -
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Sara Navorski wrote:It never ceases to amaze me how people can be so ignorant.
I totally agree, but probably not in the way you think I mean.
To the above bonus round contestant:
I'm sorry you couldn't have been a winner, and that the bonus round made you uncomfortable, but I appreciate your honesty that you were unable to follow all of the rules presented. I have similar feelings about privacy between characters, and rarely give out full api's. (Never giving them out to awox targets either). I believe there are a grand total of two people that are aware of all of my characters.
New player resources:
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information
http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP
http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Bayonnefrog
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2014.03.31 19:01:00 -
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Thread topic: Ero 1 pulling the worst scams ever. How right they were. BANNED and good riddance. |
John XIII
Northstar Cabal
Tactical Narcotics Team
156
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Posted - 2014.03.31 22:18:00 -
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Bayonnefrog wrote:Thread topic: Ero 1 pulling the worst scams ever. How right they were. BANNED and good riddance.
You sir, are the hero EvE needs. Keep up the good fight!
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
601
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Posted - 2014.03.31 23:58:00 -
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Erotica 1 will be back, just like James Bond.
Because stupid idiots and their ISK are soon parted, in various and interesting ways.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
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WouldYouEver HaveSexWith aGoat
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2014.04.01 06:16:00 -
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This thread made me miss Erotica1 a little bit.
Then my conscience kicked back in.
Phew. |
Jarghul Nightowl
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.04.01 08:58:00 -
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People have to realze it doesen't matter if laws or the EULA were broken. CCP is not NOT a public institution and they can ban who ever, when ever they want without any reasoning. So stop acting like advocats of free speech cuz that is not the issue here.
CCP also have to protect themselfs. People come to play EvE because they read of battles like in BR in the main stream media. Of course some are aware of the scams in game some aren't but the scam was not the issue. The story snowballed and it just takes a website like KOTAKU or RPS or any of the Game Youtubers with 500 000 subs to start a major shitstorm no company wants.
I'm glad about the ban, even if the victim is over it. It could have taken a much uglyr turn. I have seen it before back in the days of UO/EQ how much damage a certain amount of public humilation can do to a person. There is a certain line that shouldn't be crossed. |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum
168
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Posted - 2014.04.01 10:21:00 -
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Jarghul Nightowl wrote:People have to realze it doesen't matter if laws or the EULA were broken. CCP is not NOT a public institution and they can ban who ever, when ever they want without any reasoning. So stop acting like advocats of free speech cuz that is not the issue here.
It's not about free speech, it's having a business model that treats all equally-paying customers the same. If CCP only selectively enforces the advertised qand understood "rules" then they are doing a disservice to their customer. That's bad business. E1 was suppsedly banned for violating the TOS. OK, fair enough. Sohkar, on the other hand, who in my view commited an even more egregious violation by resulting to racial slurs and issuing real-life threats of violence and murder has not been banned. Bad business. We all pay the same rate, we're all entitled to be treated the same as all the other paying customers.
BEING AN ******* IS NOT A CRIME! I support un-banning Erotica1
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1077
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Posted - 2014.04.01 15:47:00 -
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Ok people, this thread had run its course and is only brought up again to have side discussion on a topic that has been/is thoroughly debated elsewhere.
Thread locked.
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ISD Ezwal
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
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