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Deadonstick Puppyseeker
Scarlet...Widow
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Posted - 2014.02.07 12:04:00 -
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So something I've always wondered, where does this sense of elitism come from some players have? I've seen it cause more than 1, 2, 3, 500, 16000 seemingly random and 100% unconstructive posts here on the forum, ranging from that carebears are a leech that needs to be burned off all the way to anyone who engages in piracy should have their accounts banned.
Does anyone have a well formed, well argumented reason to hate one career path or the other? Or is it just the inherent douchery of man showing on the internet, considering one cannot get punched in the face for what they say here.
Some are atleast sort of understandable (I can admit a carebear being a bit ticked off that his brand new deadspace fitted Machariel just got blown up by some random guy who wanted a nice killmail). But why are (some) low and nullbears always screaming carebears ruin the game, even though they provide the cheap minerals so that they can get their PVP ships nice and cheap.
Where do industrialists stand in all this? What do miners think of missioneers and why? Which group is the least hated in all of new eden? Which acts are sure to get you hated (random PoS bashing maybe? Perhaps random wormhole ganking? Or just stealing a required mission item? What about freighter bumping?) and which are sure to get you loved?
By all means tell the community what group(s) you belong to, which group(s) you like and why, which group(s) you are neutral to and why, and which group(s) make you wish you could just fly a CONCORD battleship for a day and kill them all? |

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
2722
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Posted - 2014.02.07 12:06:00 -
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If people aren't hating, you're doing it wrong. Oh god. |

Karen Avioras
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
208
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Posted - 2014.02.07 12:11:00 -
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you're supposed to hate on random stuff on the internet
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Sebastor Cane
The Outlet
167
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Posted - 2014.02.07 12:13:00 -
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Editing |

Fatal Amelana
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.02.07 12:21:00 -
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Karen Avioras wrote:you're supposed to hate on random stuff on the internet
:) this |

Deadonstick Puppyseeker
Scarlet...Widow
3
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Posted - 2014.02.07 12:36:00 -
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Sebastor Cane wrote:If you can fight out of your league in manpower no one will have a bad word to say about you.
Well maybe the guys whos fleet you just blew up with a mere wing of your own. But yeah, I think this is mostly true.
PS: Perhaps we could say members of Rooks and Kings are the least hated in the universe? |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1375
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Posted - 2014.02.07 12:47:00 -
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I hate R&K only for one thing: Y NO MORE EPIC VIDS?
Here, I hate thus I am complete. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
4991
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Posted - 2014.02.07 12:52:00 -
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The source of most actual hate is ignorance.
The motivation behind most of the posts you're talking about in the forums is wanting to look important, or trying to be funny.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |

Ptraci
3 R Corporation Boarderline Cartel
1754
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Posted - 2014.02.07 12:57:00 -
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Deadonstick Puppyseeker wrote: Does anyone have a well formed, well argumented reason to hate
The fallacy is usually right at the beginning. You are asking for a logical explanation for something inherently illogical like emotion. Why don't you ask people to figure out how much love weighs while you're at it.
EVE is a reflection of the human condition, because as a sandbox EVE is merely a reflection of the humans within it. Once you understand this, then it will all make sense (or account for why it fails to make sense). |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
98071
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Posted - 2014.02.07 13:04:00 -
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Deadonstick Puppyseeker wrote: Does anyone have a well formed, well argumented reason to hate one career path or the other? Or is it just the inherent douchery of man showing on the internet, considering one cannot get punched in the face for what they say here.
This is pretty much it right here.
And it's not just EVE. It's all forums, everywhere, on every kind of site, on absolutely every subject.
And site after site recently, even Scientific American, are just getting rid of Forums and comments utterly.
The dreck just is not worth reading, and most folks are tired of the dis-ingenuous dialogue. It's old and boring.
Humanity survived for millenia without the help of instant communication reactions from the entire populace, and it will most indeed continue to function just fine without it.
Really, it will. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Sister Night
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2014.02.07 13:14:00 -
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it comes from sitting behind a screen an knowing there aint no repercussions to anything u do
Every game forum is the same, shame tbh, dont think i actually came across one that aint full of trolls
Sony about the only one that i seen who are trying to actively do something about it, the rest are just to scared to loose money |

Ria Nieyli
199
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Posted - 2014.02.07 13:22:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Deadonstick Puppyseeker wrote: Does anyone have a well formed, well argumented reason to hate one career path or the other? Or is it just the inherent douchery of man showing on the internet, considering one cannot get punched in the face for what they say here.
This is pretty much it right here. And it's not just EVE. It's all forums, everywhere, on every kind of site, on absolutely every subject. And site after site recently, even Scientific American, are just getting rid of Forums and comments utterly. The dreck just is not worth reading, and most folks are tired of the dis-ingenuous dialogue. It's old and boring. Humanity survived for millenia without the help of instant communication reactions from the entire populace, and it will most indeed continue to function just fine without it. Really, it will.
Well this is what happens when the literacy requirements are still at the "being able to read and write" level... |

Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1261
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Posted - 2014.02.07 13:23:00 -
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Deadonstick Puppyseeker wrote:So something I've always wondered, where does this sense of elitism come from some players have? I've seen it cause more than 1, 2, 3, 500, 16000 seemingly random and 100% unconstructive posts here on the forum, ranging from that carebears are a leech that needs to be burned off all the way to anyone who engages in piracy should have their accounts banned.
Does anyone have a well formed, well argumented reason to hate one career path or the other? Or is it just the inherent douchery of man showing on the internet, considering one cannot get punched in the face for what they say here.
Some are atleast sort of understandable (I can admit a carebear being a bit ticked off that his brand new deadspace fitted Machariel just got blown up by some random guy who wanted a nice killmail). But why are (some) low and nullbears always screaming carebears ruin the game, even though they provide the cheap minerals so that they can get their PVP ships nice and cheap.
Where do industrialists stand in all this? What do miners think of missioneers and why? Which group is the least hated in all of new eden? Which acts are sure to get you hated (random PoS bashing maybe? Perhaps random wormhole ganking? Or just stealing a required mission item? What about freighter bumping?) and which are sure to get you loved?
By all means tell the community what group(s) you belong to, which group(s) you like and why, which group(s) you are neutral to and why, and which group(s) make you wish you could just fly a CONCORD battleship for a day and kill them all?
sure.. I am superior to humankind, therefore my opinion is bound to be right.. always. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |

RomeStar
Empire Investments Logistics
377
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Posted - 2014.02.07 13:34:00 -
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I hate the OP for posting this. Signatured removed, CCP Phantom |

Effect One
Vengeful Swan
106
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Posted - 2014.02.07 13:37:00 -
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I don't particularly care what you or anyone else decides to do with their time in this game. Don't, however, expect me not to shoot at you whenever the opportunity arises.
I don't think you can say fairer than that.
'EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay' - CCP Rise |

Ptraci
3 R Corporation Boarderline Cartel
1754
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Posted - 2014.02.07 13:50:00 -
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Effect One wrote:I don't particularly care what you or anyone else decides to do with their time in this game. Don't, however, expect me not to shoot at you whenever the opportunity arises.
I don't think you can say fairer than that.
Please shoot me. Make it a fight I have a slight chance of winning, and I'll thank you for it. Make it a fight that is challenging and not too easy, and I'll love you for it. Bring 30 of your friends and sigh, maybe next time I'll get the elusive 'gudfite'. |

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
3494
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Posted - 2014.02.07 13:54:00 -
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Many trolls mistake my business for others' scams. I work hard everyday to change that perception by paying out those who can read. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6167
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Posted - 2014.02.07 14:01:00 -
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I'll need a blingy 200bil isk titan before I can feel truly elite.
As you can imagine, this means a lot of nullbearing. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
121
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Posted - 2014.02.07 14:28:00 -
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Deadonstick Puppyseeker wrote: Which group is the least hated in all of new eden? and which are sure to get you loved?
Erotica 1. Though currently her love-o-meter (aka bounty) seems to be sliding a bit... not 'nuff Mayo I guess. |

Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1121
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Posted - 2014.02.07 14:39:00 -
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Is PvP video game. Would be no fun without made up enemies. The nice thing about it is, out of game, made up enemies can also be your friends. Heck, I'd even buy a beer for a non-Code compliant miner. I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |

Deadonstick Puppyseeker
Scarlet...Widow
3
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Posted - 2014.02.07 14:41:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Deadonstick Puppyseeker wrote: Does anyone have a well formed, well argumented reason to hate
The fallacy is usually right at the beginning. You are asking for a logical explanation for something inherently illogical like emotion. Why don't you ask people to figure out how much love weighs while you're at it. EVE is a reflection of the human condition, because as a sandbox EVE is merely a reflection of the humans within it. Once you understand this, then it will all make sense (or account for why it fails to make sense).
It's not a fallacy though, emotions have logic behind them. Rage is more logical to result from someone killing your family than it is because someone thought your jeans didn't match your eyes. But yeah, you do have a point. |

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
474
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Posted - 2014.02.07 14:55:00 -
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Deadonstick Puppyseeker wrote: ... But why are (some) low and nullbears always screaming carebears ruin the game, even though they provide the cheap minerals so that they can get their PVP ships nice and cheap. ...
Speaking for myself, a hisec merc, pirate and general naer-do-well..I hate petition carebears, not every carebear.
Let me explain. The carebear who does his thing and adds to the community is welcome to do so. The carebear who occasionally gets zapped and instead of raging or petitioning, instead asks 'how' and tries to learn from it, I embrace (and even recruit). The carebear who wallows in his stupidity and amplifies it by wailing on the forums, or worse petitions for nerfs, is an abomination that must be blasted from new eden.
Its not about carebear hate, its about what I call 'petition carebears' who push CCP to change EvE's core values over time to mitigate their stupidity and inability to learn. CCP hears their cries like an evil sirens song, and in hopes of increasing subscriptions are drawn to the nerfing dark side. We must bring them back into the light by bathing petition carebears in even more cleansing fire.
F Would you like to know more? |

Deadonstick Puppyseeker
Scarlet...Widow
3
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Posted - 2014.02.07 15:11:00 -
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So basically, your hate is directed at people whom think the only way they could have possibly been destroyed is because of some exploit that needs to be fixed and refuse to take personal responsibility? Correct? |

Mythrandier
Corporate Scum Northern Associates.
314
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Posted - 2014.02.07 15:31:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Deadonstick Puppyseeker wrote: ... But why are (some) low and nullbears always screaming carebears ruin the game, even though they provide the cheap minerals so that they can get their PVP ships nice and cheap. ...
Speaking for myself, a hisec merc, pirate and general naer-do-well..I hate petition carebears, not every carebear. Let me explain. The carebear who does his thing and adds to the community is welcome to do so. The carebear who occasionally gets zapped and instead of raging or petitioning, instead asks 'how' and tries to learn from it, I embrace (and even recruit). The carebear who wallows in his stupidity and amplifies it by wailing on the forums, or worse petitions for nerfs, is an abomination that must be blasted from new eden. Its not about carebear hate, its about what I call 'petition carebears' who push CCP to change EvE's core values over time to mitigate their stupidity and inability to learn. CCP hears their cries like an evil sirens song, and in hopes of increasing subscriptions are drawn to the nerfing dark side. We must bring them back into the light by bathing petition carebears in even more cleansing fire. F
It irks me that I can only click the like button once sometimesGǪ
Totally agree with everything said here, nail meet head.
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." --á D. Adams. |

Bull Worth
Hedion University Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.02.07 15:56:00 -
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Hmm what do I hate?
I don't mind pirates taking advantage of a target, that is part of the game.
I do hate when I hear people say they enjoy other peoples tears, getting a kick out of someone's sorrow is a poor way to live.
I certainly understand any victim is going to be unhappy its just the gloating about it that is in poor taste. |

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
476
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Posted - 2014.02.07 15:59:00 -
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Deadonstick Puppyseeker wrote:So basically, your hate is directed at people whom think the only way they could have possibly been destroyed is because of some exploit that needs to be fixed and refuse to take personal responsibility? Correct? Its more broad a problem sadly.
EvE used to be about HTFU and 'dont fly what you cant afford to lose' as its core and inviolate axioms, even in hisec.
Today, hisec carebears are being dipped in more and more bubble wrap by CCP to try and prevent them from being detonated in hisec, and the bears are being given the impression that hisec is supposed to be 100% safe. That is NOT the case.
The real problem? This road to nerfdom is being pursued at the destruction of a very vibrant pirate playstyle in hisec, all in the name of wooing moar WoW-reject subscriptions.
The petition bears are many, numerous and multiplying. They come on the forums or file petitions raging about getting sploded, rather than learning how not to get sploded. They rail against ganking. They press for consensual-only war declarations. They cry and gnash their teeth when a smart pirate uses their AFK aggressive drones and MTU's against them to splode them, rather than just use the proper 'passive' setting.
They must be bathed in fire by us with renewed vigor, to learn HTFU and 'dont fly what you cant afford to lose' at our hands -- because its clear CCP is working against us now on teaching that next generation of EVE players these core axioms which made EvE special in the first place...
Non-consensual conflict that rewards the smart and punishes the unprepared and stupid, thats EvE, even in hisec. Would you like to know more? |

Deadonstick Puppyseeker
Scarlet...Widow
9
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Posted - 2014.02.07 15:59:00 -
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I mostly hate hypocrits. Low-sec PVPers whom claim to hate carebears(risk-aversed people) and thus decide to punish them by massganking defenseless mining barges. Because remember kids, nothing is a bigger sign of your willingness to take risks than attacking defenseless vessels. Despite what you may have heard there's only one rule of EVE:
Never stop learning and realise there's always a lot more to be learned. To this end, seek wisdom in everything. |

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
476
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Posted - 2014.02.07 16:02:00 -
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Deadonstick Puppyseeker wrote:I mostly hate hypocrits. Low-sec PVPers whom claim to hate carebears(risk-aversed people) and thus decide to punish them by massganking defenseless mining barges. Because remember kids, nothing is a bigger sign of your willingness to take risks than attacking defenseless vessels. Is a pirate no longer a viable career choice in EvE? Are we not human like you?
If you prick us, do we not bleed?
If your cry for nerfs wrong us, do we not revenge? Would you like to know more? |

Deadonstick Puppyseeker
Scarlet...Widow
9
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Posted - 2014.02.07 16:05:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Deadonstick Puppyseeker wrote:I mostly hate hypocrits. Low-sec PVPers whom claim to hate carebears(risk-aversed people) and thus decide to punish them by massganking defenseless mining barges. Because remember kids, nothing is a bigger sign of your willingness to take risks than attacking defenseless vessels. Is a pirate no longer a viable career choice in EvE? Are we not human like you? If you prick us, do we not bleed? If your cry for nerfs wrong us, do we not revenge?
Oh no I'm fine with pirates. But don't hate carebears for not taking risks whilst you only attacking riskless targets yourself. (carebear here being distinctly different than a petitionbear). I have no problems with pirates, just with the ones that punish people for not taking risks by not taking risks.
As long as the pirates in question either don't hate carebears with a passion it's fine. Or if they also pick on targets they might lose against :P Despite what you may have heard there's only one rule of EVE:
Never stop learning and realise there's always a lot more to be learned. To this end, seek wisdom in everything. |

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
476
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Posted - 2014.02.07 16:48:00 -
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Deadonstick Puppyseeker wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Deadonstick Puppyseeker wrote:I mostly hate hypocrits. Low-sec PVPers whom claim to hate carebears(risk-aversed people) and thus decide to punish them by massganking defenseless mining barges. Because remember kids, nothing is a bigger sign of your willingness to take risks than attacking defenseless vessels. Is a pirate no longer a viable career choice in EvE? Are we not human like you? If you prick us, do we not bleed? If your cry for nerfs wrong us, do we not revenge? Oh no I'm fine with pirates. But don't hate carebears for not taking risks whilst you only attacking riskless targets yourself. (carebear here being distinctly different than a petitionbear). I have no problems with pirates, just with the ones that punish people for not taking risks by not taking risks. As long as the pirates in question either don't hate carebears with a passion it's fine. Or if they also pick on targets they might lose against :P But then sadly in a thread titled 'Career Respect Thread' you are trying to govern and control others careers or playstyles. i.e. the kill-it-all-pirate. That is where a carebear worthy of respect, turns into a petition carebear worthy of baptism by fire in holy HTFU gankage for that reason alone.
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