Well your points are fatally flawed so theres not much to discuss other than how much of a moron you are.

-Eran

I don't think you even know what you're saying. I certainly don't. Maybe look up the definition of esoteric before speaking on it.

With that said, if we were to follow your logic that "All public institutions which are working against the invisible hand of nature, working in truth againts the self-interest of the nation," then 1) you would not have gone to University of Caille as schools wouldn't exist, 2) your parents would've abandoned you after birth and you likely wouldn't be here today, and 3) the ideas of Laws to protect the weak and innocent would not exist and you'd be living in hell, if you somehow managed to survive.

Your logic sucks. Beginning to think you're just another troll.

-Eran

I can read, thanks.

I never disagreed with the fact humans are unequal. I disagree with what you propose because of that fact. Judging by what you said, instead of supporting the young, sick, and elderly, you'd rather they fend for themselves.

You have yet to actually confront or even acknowledge the counter-arguements presented to you. I wonder if you're capable of debate or just set to repeat the same thing. Seems all you're interested in is recieving donations.

-Eran

Humans are generally the same. There's a 2% difference between us and the next closest animal and how much actual diversity in the human genome?

I do accept that your spelling and grammar is substandard, though.

Sir,

As constructions of human groups, public services and institutions are tools used to promote survival of that group. This includes those which go against "the invisible hand of nature". Just as bower birds build halls of twigs and line them with flowers and pebbles, humans build societies and institutions. We are a social species, after all.

There is no such thing as an institution which works against evolutionary laws.

- S

At least you possess some reading comprehension. And to imagine what you'd be like without those damn institutions? Education is increasingly undervalued these days.

-Eran

Yes, sir, that's correct. Your third premise is wrong, invalidating your conclusion. May I suggest re-examining evolutionary theory with the help of an evolutionary biologist? It should go a long way in helping you understand the broad-scale implications of genetic propagation through populations, including the presence of large social structures and apparent altruism.

Alternatively, neurobiology can be very helpful in identifying behaviour motivations, and could give you a new perspective on why we act the way we do.

Best of luck, sir :)

What you talking about?


For all:
-Donate some ISK on my account with the reference "Less state, more invisible hand of nature."

1. You claim to be conservative yet graduated from the most liberal school in the country.
2. You claim to be from "flyover" country yet fail to realize very few people in such parts of the country are ethnic Gallentean, speak Gallentean, or have Gauron surnames like Roden.
3. You seem completely oblivious to actually Gallente culture despite claiming to try and preserve it.

And ontop of all that, you are literally wrong about everything.

How would you divide humans?
How does natural selection work in the State?

Oh dear. I'm not at all an evolutionary biologist, sir. I know some neuroscience and some genetics, but not so much as an expert in the field. I can try to explain what I know, but you should really discuss it with someone more educated ont he fine details.

Humans aren't really "divided" in the manner you suggest. As the estimable Dr Gridherst earlier mentioned, genetic differences between humans and our closest kin species is somewhere around 2%. This is still thousands of genes, and each one represents a different "division" that a person could fit into. What's more, genes interact with one another, and other nuclear components also contribute to morphology. Combinatorial analysis of all of these factors makes it pretty much impossible to produce a simple "racial categorization" of humans. It simply doesn't work that way.

To your second question; natural selection works in the State exactly as it does anywhere else, sir.

To the more general theme you seem to be driving for - if I may paraphrase, "Institutions that allow individuals to survive where they would have otherwise died are bad." Is this correct? Can we continue on this statement?

To this more general theme, I have a few points to consider

1) Survival is often about chance as much as it is about evolutionary pressure. By helping the individual whom chance betrays, that individual may survive to provide utility to their fellows, helping all improve and thrive. Their death weakens us all.

2) Oftentimes, beneficial morphologies can co-express with detrimental morphologies. A genetic structure which expresses itself as a certain brilliance for logical thinking may also express as a physiological flaw, for example. By saving these individuals from death we preserve their benefits, which help the community as a whole.

3) Individuals with detrimental genetic structures can also carry within them recessive beneficial structures. By keeping these structures within the gene pool of a society, that society maintains a healthy reserve of alternative morphologies that can be expressed in later generations.

4) Environments change. Maintaining a diverse gene pool, complete with genetic structures which are at present detrimental, ensure that the population maintains maximum adaptability in the face of dramatic change. Praise the Ancestor who carries that burden, for they may one day save your heritage.

Hopefully you can understand why we as a species have altruism within us, and why we should be overjoyed by this fact, and not fight against it.

Sure, sure, sure. I get your criticism was not point 1. By the way which means that the old question still stands: So how do you divide humans? How are they unequal, or lets say in which way?

Doesn't know anything about the Federation- is of Gauron descent and hosts a well regarded comedy news program. Seems legit.

So you're not going to clear up inconstancies with your identity? Very well. Guess its safe to assume you are a liar and a coward.

Oh and here's the best part, everything you cite in an attempt to prove yourself right actusally proves you wrong. You're either a really bad troll or a lying idiot.

Small question: Those the caldari non-entity caste enjoys help from institutions? Could a non-help mean that society is weakens itself. As you mention in point 1:..."individual may survive to provide utility to their fellows, helping all improve and thrive. Their death weakens us all."

I have to say Im not an expert in caldari society and its divisions. So I may get things wrong.

I'm glad to have been of help, though again - I'm not an evolutionary biologist. I do suggest you do your own research and talk to one!


It's alright to admit that you aren't an expert in something - it's a good thing to say when it's true! Your error is fairly straightforward - there is no 'non-entity caste' in the State. There are those who have decided to not participate in the State, however. Is that who you mean? They have chosen to not participate in the State, and therefore haven't got access to the institutions and services that the Deksam provide.

I'm really not sure how that applies to your topic, though, sir.

Have you not answer the topic already? Or lets say had it brought down to two points: Bad troll or a lying idiot.



Two stupid questions: Is it Garoun or Gauron? Whats the name of the thread: Equality of humans and the Federation? I really can not read it, my FTL neocom is cutting the upper-line.

In general, as I already told: "As long you are happy with my first point, you are the person which does not understand the Federation. And I have not seen any criticism from you about that point." A caldari would not have a problem with inequality, but a Fed-citizen should.



By the way, thanks for all the donations. As for now I have to go, so see you folks maybe one day again.

This guy's pissed off this many people in a couple hours? He's gonna go far.

This thread is going places and fast.

This guy's pissed off this many people in a couple hours? He's gonna go far.