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Antihrist Pripravnik
Direwolf-Rayet
skylian Verge
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Posted - 2014.02.08 08:52:00 -
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Syd Vixious wrote:If a Corp's ultimate goal is to move to Null and join an alliance and get into empire building and alliance warfare, how can this be done? What do you need to do to get accepted?
Note: This isn't a right now thing, more of a what needs to be accomplished toqualifything.
- Good participation and activity in PvP. No one in 0.0 likes corporations with mostly passive players that only do PvE or are not logging in (except in some renter alliances).
- In most cases you can disregard your killboard stats. It does not matter if you have more losses than wins on your corp killboard as long as you are not loosing ships in stupid situations - like a 20bil freighter in highsec, faction fitted battleships in missions or carriers in complexes. Why it isn't important? Because once you're in a 0.0 alliance, you are effectively a drone that is expected to listen to FC's commands and press F1 when necessary.
That being said, there are still some alliances that care for your personal ability to PvP in a small-ish groups, but they are getting rare these days.
- You'll need at least one Jump Freighter pilot with a Jump Freighter and cyno alts placed in midpoints from highsec to your home in 0.0. What I have learned while I was in 0.0 is that no matter how big or organized the alliance is and how corp leadership or recruiters say that markets in their space are well-stocked, trust me they are not. The market is most likely filled with useless and/or overpriced c*** and sometimes, if you're lucky, there are reasonably priced fleet fitted ships on contracts. So either you can rely on a JF service (most alliances have at least one) and wait for your ordered items, or you can have your own JF and haul your corp's stuff whenever you need.
- If you are planning to do some mining (ice or advanced ore), a Rorqual is very helpful. Apart from providing bonuses for the mining fleet, it can also compress the ore/ice and can cyno jump to lowsec so you can export the ore. If you are a corp that is just stepping into 0.0, you can forget about owning a POS in your alliance space. Since you can't own a POS, you can forget about any form of even a medium scale industry in your home space. This is why it is most logical to export the ore to highsec (unless, of course, your alliance has mineral buyout program).
- If you are doing industry, you will need an alt corporation in highsec with POS-es that will do industry for you. An alt corporation is used, not your main one, because of the wardecs. Most of the 0.0 alliances are constantly at war with someone - be it their enemies, mercs or random corps that want a lot of targets in trade hubs. Simply place all your industrial alts in that highsec corporation and proceed with your activity as usual.
- Some alliances require mobility of all their members as they are deployed in different places in the universe frequently. It's a small number of alliances, but make sure you ask the alliance recruiter about it. If the alliance is based on this nomad style of game play, you could need your own carriers with Jump Drive Calibration and Jump Fuel Conservation on 5.
- An alternative ISK source is a good thing to have. Whether it's industry, PI, highsec mission running alts or Factional warfare alts, it's good to have something that can bring ISK regardless of the situation in your home space in 0.0.
- A good corp diplomat that can work with the alliance leadership to achieve better position for your corp within the alliance. Paired with good activity and fleet participation, it can bring your corp better status within the alliance: reserved industrial slots in your home space, ability to own and maintain POS-es, ability to have your own station (depends on the alliance policy), moon mining rights, alliance level ship reimbursement, and so on.
There's more to it, but these are (at least by my opinion) the most important bits. Have fun 
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Ryder 'ook
Die..Brut
50
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Posted - 2014.02.08 10:24:00 -
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Wow! I'm really impressed.
Very good and reasonable responses here. And plenty helpful for a newbie like me, too!
Thank you all!
Every atom in our bodies was forged in the furnace of ancient stars - it's time we return home. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
Naquatech Syndicate
1475
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Posted - 2014.02.08 10:41:00 -
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I would say the biger is your corp combat potential the higher chance geting to a "good" null ally/coalition. |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2014.02.08 10:44:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:I would say the biger is your corp combat potential the higher chance geting to a "good" null ally/coalition.
What do you mean by "combat potential" exactly? |
Yarda Black
Epidemic.
Spaceship Samurai
23
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Posted - 2014.02.08 10:49:00 -
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Arkady Romanov wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:I would say the biger is your corp combat potential the higher chance geting to a "good" null ally/coalition. What do you mean by "combat potential" exactly?
The number of people that join corp/alliance fleets and the ships they're in. More people in fleets with proper ships = more combat potential.
Having a pair helps. In short supply in null these days. People that aren't afraid of reds. That sort of thing. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
Advent of Fate
702
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Posted - 2014.02.08 11:47:00 -
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Syd Vixious wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Syd Vixious wrote:If a Corp's ultimate goal is to move to Null and join an alliance and get into empire building and alliance warfare, how can this be done? What do you need to do to get accepted? Depends entirely on what alliance you are trying to join. Some only require you follow their policies and such, others require things that would make Erotica1 blush. We haven't tried, but what do null alliances usually want out of member corps?
Renters are required to do almost nothing for some renting areas.
In others they are expected to help in certain types of ops.
Proviblock has little to no requirements i believe.
NPC null groups want people keen to show up for PVP and usually have metrics to measure participation. How much is needed varies from group to group.
Sov null groups have ops for towers (offense/defence) , home defence, sov wars, call to arms etc. Again they will have metrics measuring your corps level of attendance.
All the PVP groups will expect you to show up in doctrine ships or something helpful to that fleet comp (tackle /scout /antitackle /ewar).
So anyway there is a huge variety in what different groups want /require. Largely you need to decide with your members what it is you guys want to do.
If you want to learn PVP as your top priority then join an NPC null group.
If you want to be involved in epic fleet battles without wanting to display any skill then join a sov null group (anchor up target broadcast and push F1).
If you hate pvp then try provi or renting.
All the above groups do some degree of carebearing as everyone needs isk for new shiny toys.
Personally i moved out to null at a few weeks old and never regretted it.
Money at its root is a form of rationing.
When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2014.02.08 11:52:00 -
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Silvetica Dian wrote:
Personally i moved out to null at a few weeks old and never regretted it.
If CCP changed industry so that it was possible to rationally supply my weapons/ships/miscellaneous needs in nullsec completely, I would biomass my Jita alt and I don't think I'd ever go above 0.4 space ever again.
Except possibly to shoot untanked mining barges. |
Antihrist Pripravnik
Direwolf-Rayet
skylian Verge
183
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Posted - 2014.02.08 12:25:00 -
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Arkady Romanov wrote:Silvetica Dian wrote:
Personally i moved out to null at a few weeks old and never regretted it.
If CCP changed industry so that it was possible to rationally supply my weapons/ships/miscellaneous needs in nullsec completely, I would biomass my Jita alt and I don't think I'd ever go above 0.4 space ever again. Except possibly to shoot untanked mining barges.
Heh, if only
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2436
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Posted - 2014.02.08 17:58:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:We could actually use them back in Delve, I think TEST is apparently going to be the content of the day, and they really strike it off with Fweddit. You need Fweddit back in Delve because of 5K members in TEST? Is this for real? To OP. You don't want to go to null. It turns you into a coward where your current 50K man coalition is unable to defense itself against 5K dudes without the assistance of a 500 man FW group.
You seem particularly bitter, what space did we take from you? |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks
Executive Outcomes
1037
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:58:00 -
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If you want to grow your corp to join a nullsec alliance, I'll tell you what I'd look for and what most people would look for too:
1) Self-sufficiency: Am I going to need to hold your corp Director's hands, or are you going to get on with being part of the alliance (run your own logistics, manage your recruitment well etc).
2) Activity: Are you actually going to contribute SOMETHING to the alliance we find valuable. Most of the time this is PvP (either numbers or active FCs, or both), occasionally it is industry.
3) Maturity: Are the rest of the members going to get on with you? Are you going to fit in? Or are you going to cause pointless internet drama?
EXE quizzes new corporation applicants extensively and we spend a lot of time as a leadership team talking about the responses given and the information we can publically get about the corp and its CEO.
Being "good at eve" isn't a priority for us personally, but it is for others. As long as you can prove you add value (whatever they see as value), that you wont need someone picking up your mess all the time (learning and mistakes are usually fine) and that you'll fit in with the rest of the guys then there's nothing stopping you.
"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
255
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Posted - 2014.02.09 00:00:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:We could actually use them back in Delve, I think TEST is apparently going to be the content of the day, and they really strike it off with Fweddit. You need Fweddit back in Delve because of 5K members in TEST? Is this for real? To OP. You don't want to go to null. It turns you into a coward where your current 50K man coalition is unable to defense itself against 5K dudes without the assistance of a 500 man FW group. You seem particularly bitter, what space did we take from you?
Nothing from me, I don't play in the land of Blues. Nullsec is ****, so are most of the alliances that live there. Save maybe PL because they are really the only ones who have a history of functioning in numbers that number less than 1K. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6174
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Posted - 2014.02.09 02:12:00 -
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I thought progodlegend was supposed to be our savior.
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar
Nulli Secunda
607
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Posted - 2014.02.09 04:35:00 -
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I have done this. Basically my first piece of advice is not to rent (unless that is what you want). Join a low tier nullsec alliance and just get your face out there and make some connections. Eventually the low tier alliance will either be outgrown or failcascade then you take your experience and go up a level. Repeat and with some good management and a pinch of luck you'll find yourself in one of the bigger players.
My corps alliance history
The Jagged Alliance>Intergalactic Exports Group>White Noise>Rolling Thunder(on a contract from raiden to train renters, seemed a good idea at the time)>Nem3sis>IRC>Nulli Feeders>Nulli Secunda.
There will be bumps and hard times. If you can stick it out you'll be left with a solid core of players to build on. My corp began with 17 chars. It has also been a 140 char bloated mess. Right now we are about 60 but a very active and capable 60. Ultimately make the corp you want but also be prepared to react to events. Probably only one corp in ten makes it into one of the "competent and bigger" alliances.
Good luck
I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance. |
Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution
Nullsec Ninjas
244
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Posted - 2014.02.10 10:26:00 -
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Syd Vixious wrote:If a Corp's ultimate goal is to move to Null and join an alliance and get into empire building and alliance warfare, how can this be done? What do you need to do to get accepted?
Note: This isn't a right now thing, more of a what needs to be accomplished toqualifything.
Don't bother. Sov-nullsec is in terminal decline. It's all staged and fake.
NPC null or low-sec is more fun.
Don't Panic.
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Victor Dathar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
279
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Posted - 2014.02.10 14:38:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:I thought progodlegend was supposed to be our savior.
He is a Pro, a God and a Legend so I know where my faith lies.
In after Blue Donut.
^^^ lol that post is so bad you should get back 2 GBS m8 o7 |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1644
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Posted - 2014.02.10 15:11:00 -
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pvp experience and killboards can be built up while living in empire even. Or you can temporarily deploy to low/null.
One way to get people's attention is to go to their space and shoot them, and hopefully give them a good fight.
If you're going to do indy stuff, you need to make sure your members are competent, and either have previous 0.0 experience or can at least follow directions and not be stupid.
"CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Obvious Cyno
The Scope
Gallente Federation
87
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Posted - 2014.02.10 20:15:00 -
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Syd Vixious wrote:If a Corp's ultimate goal is to move to Null and join an alliance and get into empire building and alliance warfare, how can this be done? What do you need to do to get accepted?
Note: This isn't a right now thing, more of a what needs to be accomplished toqualifything.
First you need to join a player corp. Npc corps cannot join nullsec alliances. |
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