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Syd Vixious Black Flag Acquisitions 0	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:20:00 - [1] - Quote If a Corp's ultimate goal is to move to Null and join an alliance and get into empire building and alliance warfare, how can this be done? What do you need to do to get accepted? Note: This isn't a right now thing, more of a what needs to be accomplished toqualifything.
Kryptik Kai Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 10070	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:23:00 - [2] - Quote /popcorn "Shiny.-á Lets be bad guys." -Jayne Cobb
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 1002	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:23:00 - [3] - Quote Syd Vixious wrote: If a Corp's ultimate goal is to move to Null and join an alliance and get into empire building and alliance warfare, how can this be done? What do you need to do to get accepted? Note: This isn't a right now thing, more of a what needs to be accomplished to qualify thing. First you must become a warlord. "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon [Member of The BrownCoat Syndicate]
Milz0r High Flyers The Kadeshi 5	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:25:00 - [4] - Quote It depends on what alliance you want to join. The higher profile alliances who have a reputation will generally have higher standards to meet. Usually, they expect a minimum member count of at least 50 and you would probably be required to participate on a lot of PVP and have a history of it to show via the eve-kill killboard. I hope this is helpful.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 10058	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:26:00 - [5] - Quote Syd Vixious wrote: If a Corp's ultimate goal is to move to Null and join an alliance and get into empire building and alliance warfare, how can this be done? What do you need to do to get accepted? Depends entirely on what alliance you are trying to join. Some only require you follow their policies and such, others require things that would make Erotica1 blush. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Syd Vixious Black Flag Acquisitions 0	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:29:00 - [6] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Syd Vixious wrote: If a Corp's ultimate goal is to move to Null and join an alliance and get into empire building and alliance warfare, how can this be done? What do you need to do to get accepted? Depends entirely on what alliance you are trying to join. Some only require you follow their policies and such, others require things that would make Erotica1 blush. We haven't tried, but what do null alliances usually want out of member corps?
Milz0r High Flyers The Kadeshi 5	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:32:00 - [7] - Quote Syd Vixious wrote: Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Syd Vixious wrote: If a Corp's ultimate goal is to move to Null and join an alliance and get into empire building and alliance warfare, how can this be done? What do you need to do to get accepted? Depends entirely on what alliance you are trying to join. Some only require you follow their policies and such, others require things that would make Erotica1 blush. We haven't tried, but what do null alliances usually want out of member corps? PVP participation and decent numbers on Alliance ops.
Mario Putzo Welping and Dunking. 240	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:39:00 - [8] - Quote All one must do is kiss the Ring of Goondor and swear fealty to the one true king of space. The Martini.
BuckStrider Nano-Tech Experiments 145	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:48:00 - [9] - Quote Syd Vixious wrote: Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Syd Vixious wrote: If a Corp's ultimate goal is to move to Null and join an alliance and get into empire building and alliance warfare, how can this be done? What do you need to do to get accepted? Depends entirely on what alliance you are trying to join. Some only require you follow their policies and such, others require things that would make Erotica1 blush. We haven't tried, but what do null alliances usually want out of member corps? Organization Dedication Teamwork Be active in your time zone(s) That's what decent alliances look for no matter if they are PvP or 0.0 industry/mining. Insert Signature Here.....
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 10164	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:54:00 - [10] - Quote A nullsec alliance will more likely take you in if you have a strong logistics backbone or a couple of capable FCs. Simply adding 10-20 dudes that could x up for fleet isn't usually a strong argument for adding a corp to an alliance unless that alliance is TEST Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Syd Vixious Black Flag Acquisitions 0	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:58:00 - [11] - Quote Milz0r wrote: Syd Vixious wrote: Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Syd Vixious wrote: If a Corp's ultimate goal is to move to Null and join an alliance and get into empire building and alliance warfare, how can this be done? What do you need to do to get accepted? Depends entirely on what alliance you are trying to join. Some only require you follow their policies and such, others require things that would make Erotica1 blush. We haven't tried, but what do null alliances usually want out of member corps? PVP participation and decent numbers on Alliance ops. How do you get in on alliance ops? PVP participation isn't a problem. Do alliances extend into high/lowsec for newer pilots, or should we move to null and try it there? I figure "when we're ready" isn't really good enough, as no-one will ever decide they are ready. Myself, i was like "when i can replace" was my goal for nullsec. Well, i can do that now. I'd, frankly, like to move to the real game. Andski wrote: A nullsec alliance will more likely take you in if you have a strong logistics backbone or a couple of capable FCs. Simply adding 10-20 dudes that could x up for fleet isn't usually a strong argument for adding a corp to an alliance unless that alliance is TEST That's an achievable goal. Thanks for the input. I'll pass it along pronto.
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 707	Posted - 2014.02.08 00:01:00 - [12] - Quote Syd Vixious wrote: If a Corp's ultimate goal is to move to Null and join an alliance and get into empire building and alliance warfare, how can this be done? What do you need to do to get accepted? Note: This isn't a right now thing, more of a what needs to be accomplished toqualifything. For living in null the easy shortcut is to rent. The hard way is to grind a pvp corp together in NPC null until you have burned any carebears out of your organization and become annoyingly relevant and painful to nearby entities.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 10165	Posted - 2014.02.08 00:23:00 - [13] - Quote Syd Vixious wrote: How do you get in on alliance ops? PVP participation isn't a problem. Do alliances extend into high/lowsec for newer pilots, or should we move to null and try it there? I figure "when we're ready" isn't really good enough, as no-one will ever decide they are ready. Myself, i was like "when i can replace" was my goal for nullsec. Well, i can do that now. I'd, frankly, like to move to the real game. Name an alliance that you'd like to see your corp in, say by this date 2015. If it's the likes of PL or NCdot, you'd need a solid reputation and a strong backbone of self-sufficient high-skillpoint pilots who can all fly their own carriers. If it's like Goonswarm or RAZOR, you'd need a long history of working with that alliance (basically, don't consider the alliances leading the blocs as options) And in any halfway respectable alliance you join, you'd have to be able to stomach the idea that the autocrats are in charge, especially in times of war, and that your role in the alliance as a corp CEO is that of a stakeholder/advisor, if even that. Syd Vixious wrote: That's an achievable goal. Thanks for the input. I'll pass it along pronto. Being a highly mobile corp goes a long way, yes. If you can be in NPC Delve, for example, and are able to schedule a move op that can get your dudes and their ships to another region in a short amount of time, that is definitely a plus as you aren't dead weight. Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Buck Badger Enlightened Industries 47	Posted - 2014.02.08 00:30:00 - [14] - Quote Syd Vixious wrote: If a Corp's ultimate goal is to move to Null and join an alliance and get into empire building and alliance warfare, how can this be done? What do you need to do to get accepted? Note: This isn't a right now thing, more of a what needs to be accomplished toqualifything. Step One: Trust no one. Step Two: ? ? ? Step Three: Profit. "Trust no one.-á As soon as God crapped out the third caveman a conspiracy was hatched against one of them."-á Hunter Gathers
AnotherUseless Alt Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 10	Posted - 2014.02.08 00:36:00 - [15] - Quote Syd Vixious wrote: If a Corp's ultimate goal is to move to Null and join an alliance and get into empire building and alliance warfare, how can this be done? What do you need to do to get accepted? Note: This isn't a right now thing, more of a what needs to be accomplished toqualifything. You start somewhere small, even a renter alliance, then get in on fights. Once your corp gets a reputation for competent pvp, you'll have new options. "Self help is all in your head"
Singoth Angels of Blood and Fury Battle Beavers 250	Posted - 2014.02.08 00:36:00 - [16] - Quote What makes you think the nullseccers have any clue what they are doing? Less yappin', more zappin'!
Syd Vixious Black Flag Acquisitions 0	Posted - 2014.02.08 00:40:00 - [17] - Quote Singoth wrote: What makes you think the nullseccers have any clue what they are doing? They are where i want to be. That's one clue. I don't mind hisec or lowsec, that has it's place. I just want out of there. If they are where i want to be and i'm not, then pretty obviously they know something i don't.
Alduin666 Shikkoken Space Hobos Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore 464	Posted - 2014.02.08 00:59:00 - [18] - Quote Andski wrote: A nullsec alliance will more likely take you in if you have a strong logistics backbone or a couple of capable FCs. Simply adding 10-20 dudes that could x up for fleet isn't usually a strong argument for adding a corp to an alliance unless that alliance is TEST The only reason you don't like corps that only add line members is because it's more PAP links you have to go through. Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead. Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager
Arkady Romanov GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 72	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:25:00 - [19] - Quote Syd Vixious wrote: Singoth wrote: What makes you think the nullseccers have any clue what they are doing? They are where i want to be. That's one clue. I don't mind hisec or lowsec, that has it's place. I just want out of there. If they are where i want to be and i'm not, then pretty obviously they know something i don't. Fweddit are probably the best, and most recent example of an alliance getting into sov null. They don't hold many systems, but I believe that's mostly due to choice and keeping their roots in FW. other than that, I'd echo Andski. Bring competent FCs, and know how to manage logistics well, including things like forums, comms and other out of game methods of keeping membership on track. FW might give you a chance to build those things on a smaller scale. Not a bad idea to spend time in NPC null either. The difference between null and low is more than just dictor bubbles and bombs.
Alduin666 Shikkoken Space Hobos Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore 465	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:30:00 - [20] - Quote Arkady Romanov wrote: Syd Vixious wrote: Singoth wrote: What makes you think the nullseccers have any clue what they are doing? They are where i want to be. That's one clue. I don't mind hisec or lowsec, that has it's place. I just want out of there. If they are where i want to be and i'm not, then pretty obviously they know something i don't. Fweddit are probably the best, and most recent example of an alliance getting into sov null. They don't hold many systems, but I believe that's mostly due to choice and keeping their roots in FW. other than that, I'd echo Andski. Bring competent FCs, and know how to manage logistics well, including things like forums, comms and other out of game methods of keeping membership on track. FW might give you a chance to build those things on a smaller scale. Not a bad idea to spend time in NPC null either. The difference between null and low is more than just dictor bubbles and bombs. They don't hold any systems, except for the systems they hold in delve right? Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead. Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6167	Posted - 2014.02.08 04:10:00 - [21] - Quote Arkady Romanov wrote: Fweddit are probably the best, and most recent example of an alliance getting into sov null. They don't hold many systems, but I believe that's mostly due to choice and keeping their roots in FW. They certainly could have gone further, they had decent numbers, participation, and a good number of them are fairly rich due to FW. And of course newbies. But apparently after they got their sov, it was all "mission accomplished, let's go back and stomp the minmatar in FW again" and welp... ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Mario Putzo Welping and Dunking. 243	Posted - 2014.02.08 04:14:00 - [22] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Arkady Romanov wrote: Fweddit are probably the best, and most recent example of an alliance getting into sov null. They don't hold many systems, but I believe that's mostly due to choice and keeping their roots in FW. They certainly could have gone further, they had decent numbers, participation, and a good number of them are fairly rich due to FW. And of course newbies. But apparently after they got their sov, it was all "mission accomplished, let's go back and stomp the minmatar in FW again" and welp... Maybe they didn't have fun sitting in Delve surrounded by 50K Blues?
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6167	Posted - 2014.02.08 04:15:00 - [23] - Quote Mario Putzo wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: Arkady Romanov wrote: Fweddit are probably the best, and most recent example of an alliance getting into sov null. They don't hold many systems, but I believe that's mostly due to choice and keeping their roots in FW. They certainly could have gone further, they had decent numbers, participation, and a good number of them are fairly rich due to FW. And of course newbies. But apparently after they got their sov, it was all "mission accomplished, let's go back and stomp the minmatar in FW again" and welp... Maybe they didn't have fun sitting in Delve surrounded by 50K Blues? A fair question. Some of them apparently wander around on ops with us, but the manner in which they can ruthlessly stomp on the minmatar militia is very much like the way cfc wins wars. Not that they learned it from us, they were doing it before they took an adventure into null. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Mario Putzo Welping and Dunking. 243	Posted - 2014.02.08 04:22:00 - [24] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Mario Putzo wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: Arkady Romanov wrote: Fweddit are probably the best, and most recent example of an alliance getting into sov null. They don't hold many systems, but I believe that's mostly due to choice and keeping their roots in FW. They certainly could have gone further, they had decent numbers, participation, and a good number of them are fairly rich due to FW. And of course newbies. But apparently after they got their sov, it was all "mission accomplished, let's go back and stomp the minmatar in FW again" and welp... Maybe they didn't have fun sitting in Delve surrounded by 50K Blues? A fair question. Some of them apparently wander around on ops with us, but the manner in which they can ruthlessly stomp on the minmatar militia is very much like the way cfc wins wars. Not that they learned it from us, they were doing it before they took an adventure into null. I think you missed the point. See some people like to PVP. They would much rather undock and go a few jumps to get a fight...instead of having Blues for 5 Regions in either direction. Just saying that a PVP group like Fweddit probably got tired of sitting on the ass end of a Titan hoping some 10 man roaming gang from lowsec accidentally drifted into CFC space. I am not a rocket scientist, or a big city lawyer...but Id wager blowing up space pixels is higher on the priority list than holding sov. But I am a PVPer who left nullsec because jumping 5 regions for a fight is ******* lame!
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6168	Posted - 2014.02.08 04:31:00 - [25] - Quote We could actually use them back in Delve, I think TEST is apparently going to be the content of the day, and they really strike it off with Fweddit. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Mario Putzo Welping and Dunking. 243	Posted - 2014.02.08 04:48:00 - [26] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: We could actually use them back in Delve, I think TEST is apparently going to be the content of the day, and they really strike it off with Fweddit. You need Fweddit back in Delve because of 5K members in TEST? Is this for real? To OP. You don't want to go to null. It turns you into a coward where your current 50K man coalition is unable to defense itself against 5K dudes without the assistance of a 500 man FW group.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6168	Posted - 2014.02.08 04:54:00 - [27] - Quote Mario Putzo wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: We could actually use them back in Delve, I think TEST is apparently going to be the content of the day, and they really strike it off with Fweddit. You need Fweddit back in Delve because of 5K members in TEST? Is this for real? They are pretty good posters. If they're in fleets with us, they tend to post more on our forums. I can't see fweddit forums, because I'm not in fweddit ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Mario Putzo Welping and Dunking. 243	Posted - 2014.02.08 05:00:00 - [28] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Mario Putzo wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: We could actually use them back in Delve, I think TEST is apparently going to be the content of the day, and they really strike it off with Fweddit. You need Fweddit back in Delve because of 5K members in TEST? Is this for real? They are pretty good posters. If they're in fleets with us, they tend to post more on our forums. I can't see fweddit forums, because I'm not in fweddit You lost me vOv.
Syd Vixious Black Flag Acquisitions 0	Posted - 2014.02.08 06:07:00 - [29] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Arkady Romanov wrote: Fweddit are probably the best, and most recent example of an alliance getting into sov null. They don't hold many systems, but I believe that's mostly due to choice and keeping their roots in FW. They certainly could have gone further, they had decent numbers, participation, and a good number of them are fairly rich due to FW. And of course newbies. But apparently after they got their sov, it was all "mission accomplished, let's go back and stomp the minmatar in FW again" and welp... What could they have done different? What would you have done in their place?
Arkady Romanov GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 72	Posted - 2014.02.08 08:19:00 - [30] - Quote Syd Vixious wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: Arkady Romanov wrote: Fweddit are probably the best, and most recent example of an alliance getting into sov null. They don't hold many systems, but I believe that's mostly due to choice and keeping their roots in FW. They certainly could have gone further, they had decent numbers, participation, and a good number of them are fairly rich due to FW. And of course newbies. But apparently after they got their sov, it was all "mission accomplished, let's go back and stomp the minmatar in FW again" and welp... What could they have done different? What would you have done in their place? You misunderstand. They didn't lack for ability in managing their Sov. They simply didn't have the desire for more. That said, I still see them all the time dropping on people in syndicate with us and EXE against other groups.

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