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GandalfTHEGrey
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Posted - 2006.05.04 07:01:00 -
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im curious, what is going to happen if bob decide that they want all 0.0, Coallition(lv/v and co) befriend RA? what would happen so really my question is to bob.
Would it in your opinion be a big mistake to declare that you want to own all 0.0?
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Dejay
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Posted - 2006.05.04 16:46:00 -
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Bob never, i repeat never, will win eve. If CCP see this come to close, they will just crush them.
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Sneetches
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Posted - 2006.05.04 16:53:00 -
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I can understand how my posts might be perceived as hostile. They are not meant to be, but i am direct and honest when i get involved in a debate. And i am passionate about good arguments. At the same time, i dont debate with closed minded people because it is the intellectual equivalent of banging your head against the wall. Lastly, stupid questions get my Irish up :)
Now, to add some points, or perhaps make new ones.
Can any corp/alliance ever "win" eve may have been a more appropriate way of psoitioning this question and would have disarmed alot of potential anti-bob ranting.
- Look at it from a couple perspectives:
1. From the point of EVE/CCP: It does them no good to have an online game environment whereby, a fraction of their players make the game unplayable or unenjoyable for others. They have created a gmae universe so vast that this is truly not possible unless you have the ability to be everywhere at once.
2. From the point of natural selection: Nature is a wonderful metaphor of looking at how the environment inside eve does not enable any one entity to win. Look at a pride of lions on the african plains that moves to a new area to hunt. This area is plump with gazelles, zebras, and water buffalo. great hunting and the pride enjoys it and grows in size and becaomes secure.
But, imagine a coupe scenarios, another pride of lions or predators moves in and starts to hunt the area down as well. Soon, you see these two groups coming to odds. When two groups of predators begin to conflict, there will be losses onn both sides with one eventually being driven out. But the group that retains the area is weaker from the fight and then another group of rival predators moves in sensing weakness. Rinse and repeat.
Next, imagine the hunting getting scarce and soon you are left with only other predators, rhinos and elephants. None of which fear this pack of lions. Food is scrace and there is high competition both within the pride and vs other predators for what remains.
A couple things could happen, the lions move on to new hunting. Maybe they find good hunting, but after a while they dont. A pack breaks off from the pride and goes off on their own to establish their own territory as this hunting area can no longer support everyone. Lastly, you could start to lose some of your pack to starvation as the prey can no longer sustain their numbers or appetites.
Apply this to EVE and how the tripes (read: corps/alliances) rise and fall, how they migrate around, and who fits into which categories. The brilliance of this game is that by our own nature, "winning EVE" is not possible because of all the checks and balances in nature (read: human nature).
This is my main point.
- Snee
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Faith Black
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Posted - 2006.05.04 20:38:00 -
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The problem isn't BoB, the problem is probably that some pvp alliances lack visions, don't aim for higher goals etc. It looks at least as if some only think from fight to fight and war to war.
Although I enjoy pvp, it's quite frustrating sometimes to see that many don't have intentions to build up something. I mean, I see industrials, who want to build up something and pvp alliances, who primarily just want to kill stuff, but not many pvp people who want to build up something.
I like strategy games, where managing to gather resources efficiently to build a strong armee with the best weapons is a prerequisite for success and as important as the battles themselves.
Think I'm still looking for a small entity myself, who works this way and wants to become a major force. Like I said: pvp motivated people with a big goal and not afraid of the industrial side.
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Katrina Kirellii
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Posted - 2006.05.04 21:23:00 -
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I would like to give a big "shout out" to BoB. Y'all were really good in the last tourney around the old Christmas holiday of Earth. I saw it as filmed by Eve Radio!
Honestly, when I first saw the movie "BoB" winning with the Eagle or Hawk something I was like "Whoopie - I like BoB". I still do in fact. However, I am not one to fall under the sway of ancient history. I want to see BoB again in the tourney and what they are made of then. Unfortunately, only what - 5 of you - get to fight. I might be going out on a limb here, but the odds of a smaller corp or alliance winning seems pretty good. I hope you make it far enough in the tourney for me to see more footage. 
Now, I know I am very small in terms of assets, experience, and such. When I heard of BoB I decided to fly over and see their greatness. I flew for over 4 hours and never got there. That is about how long I stay awake between my sleeps. I have still never even seen a BoB ship in person.
So - sorry to say this - I have been more adversely affected by one pilot named "Strangey" than BoB. I am not even sure BoB could defeat Strangey and the Rage of Angels corporation to be honest. I think the logistics might be beyond you. 
I am sure CONCORD or any of the lesser navies could beat you soundly. Now if you could wipe out CONCORD, I would be impressed and say - "W311 - B0B 15 th3 M4N". So in terms of proportion, I have to think that even the Gallente could beat BoB. Probably the Minmatar and Amarr would make short work of you. I would not even be surprised if "The Scope" could beat you. I cannot even picture actually fighting a "Scope" member. I had to exit my ship at station, take a bath, go for a long walk, and I still felt like puking at the aspect of actually firing on a "Scope" ship.
So again - I am really glad to hear you are still around BoB. I hope to someday bathe in the light of your glory. It will be a while though cause I get bored fast taking such long trips. I hope to see footage of you in the Tourney at least as I can get that in packet mail or over the wire. I have not heard anyone say that BoB fleets are bad at fighting, so I hope you do well in the tourney. I will probably be making a small wager against you winning though. I like to win my bets. Nothing personal.
Well - keep in touch with all of us and can you please make a short history or some such so those of us who hardly have heard of you can read about the successes and other history facts?
Luck to you in the tourney. I doubt small fry like myself will even get considered as peanut salesmen near the live feeds.
One question though - supposing you win... WHO will be those 5 pilots?
Katrina Kirellii
Captain of the Silken Mistress
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A good friend is a good enemy and I hope to make you mine.
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.05.04 21:32:00 -
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Just for the record, I don't know what the over all plans are for the galaxy, I don't think we will ever take over the galaxy for the simple fact is if we did.... Then we'd have to go after CONCORD, they like to blob, and aren't afraid of losing ships.
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Otorp
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Posted - 2006.05.05 00:16:00 -
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so what your saying is that BoB's goal is to put an end to eve ? |
Samuel Clemens
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Posted - 2006.05.05 05:38:00 -
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Edited by: Samuel Clemens on 05/05/2006 05:39:07
The only way bob could manage to take over all of 0.0 space would be to absorb all of the 0.0 alliances/corps and give them full autonomy and just get fat with tax money, existing as a worthless shadow of what it is now, an average skill, high dedication, population, and coordination alliance. Otherwise it's just a logisitc impossibilty to take the whole thing over. They'd be counterattacked on ten fronts at once, corp-robbed by some spy, and whoever's flying the titan will just let off with a giant "screw you" and hop off to nowheresville just for fun. At this point, the real barometer of their power would be to see how well they fare with a full-scale war against D2 or someone of equal caliber
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Victor Vision
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Posted - 2006.05.08 03:07:00 -
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Edited by: Victor Vision on 08/05/2006 03:08:28
Originally by: Boonaki
Only weak leaders... and our leaders are far from that, each director in each corp is a simple extension of the CEO. There are no power struggles, if there's a problem it's fixed quick. If a single player trys to start trouble. It's extinguished..
Sounds very much like empires from the past on a planet called earth. Its rumored one of these empires with similar stance was led by a strong leader called Stalin. This empire fell apart...
Anyways, will remain interesting to see how things evolve in our universe of EvE...
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.05.08 08:55:00 -
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And if the whole game wardecs you ? What then ?
Are you super elite that you can blow up everyone in the game?
Seriously, the inflated egos around here are just astonishing.
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maGz
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:43:00 -
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EVE has no end-game, so noone will never win EVE...
And to whomever in BoB who wants to answer: why keep claiming that you want people to invade Delve, when you continue to do preemptive strikes on any force that might be a threat to you? Seems a bit odd to wanting a fight, but not letting anyone bring it to you...
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El Ganador
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Posted - 2006.05.12 10:34:00 -
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Edited by: El Ganador on 12/05/2006 10:34:55
^^ The US has never fought a foreign power on its own soil for a reason(not counting revolutionary war but we realy werent the US at that time). Why risk a loss or just a hastle when you can take it to the enemy first. As for taking over the world Pinky and Brain style let them try. They will probably take out a few more aliances before they are threw, but BoB is not inmortal. Moaning and groaning about them isnt going to kill them its only going to make them stronger. I dare to say that if everyone boycotted the BoB threads for a week they would probably cry and give up all together. If you dont like them then do something about it.
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Serenity Frye
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Posted - 2006.05.12 16:40:00 -
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you wont its simple =/
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badob
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Posted - 2006.05.12 17:50:00 -
[164]
Originally by: El Ganador
Edited by: El Ganador on 12/05/2006 10:34:55
^^ The US has never fought a foreign power on its own soil for a reason(not counting revolutionary war but we realy werent the US at that time). Why risk a loss or just a hastle when you can take it to the enemy first. As for taking over the world Pinky and Brain style let them try. They will probably take out a few more aliances before they are threw, but BoB is not inmortal. Moaning and groaning about them isnt going to kill them its only going to make them stronger. I dare to say that if everyone boycotted the BoB threads for a week they would probably cry and give up all together. If you dont like them then do something about it.
**sigh**
the US has fought a Foreign power on its own soil, in 1812 the US Declared war on Britain and invaded Canada,
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Moghydin
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Posted - 2006.05.12 20:58:00 -
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What do you mean "victorious"? No one will actually be able to win Eve. No one will be able to control all the 0.0 space. No one will be able even to have loyal lapdog alliances all over the map. So, I think, BoB will never have an actual control of the whole Eve. What they can do, and they are very close to this, is to have enough forces to crush any alliance or group of alliances that will be considered a threat. If BoB will get to the point, when they can dismantle any alliance anywhere on the map, only because it will be considered a potential threat, it'll kill the game for many ppl. It'll draw the line, which would be impossible to cross for the rest of Eve. In that case, those who play the alliance side of Eve (strategy, politics, development) will find the game less appealing.
Btw, on the sidenote (trying to make this not sound as a flame), but I'm surprized at the amount of alliance and fleet leaders joining BoB lately. Never thought that the temptation to move difficulty bar to "easy" will be so strong.
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Morela
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Posted - 2006.05.19 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Moghydin
What do you mean "victorious"? No one will actually be able to win Eve. No one will be able to control all the 0.0 space. No one will be able even to have loyal lapdog alliances all over the map. So, I think, BoB will never have an actual control of the whole Eve. What they can do, and they are very close to this, is to have enough forces to crush any alliance or group of alliances that will be considered a threat. If BoB will get to the point, when they can dismantle any alliance anywhere on the map, only because it will be considered a potential threat, it'll kill the game for many ppl. It'll draw the line, which would be impossible to cross for the rest of Eve. In that case, those who play the alliance side of Eve (strategy, politics, development) will find the game less appealing.
Btw, on the sidenote (trying to make this not sound as a flame), but I'm surprized at the amount of alliance and fleet leaders joining BoB lately. Never thought that the temptation to move difficulty bar to "easy" will be so strong.
Nooob!
EVE is a PVP only game, "building things" is just a way for more PVP.. Nobody has fun building stuff!! At least.. thats what many say when you say you do like the building side..
/sarcasm off
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DemoIition
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Posted - 2006.05.19 14:03:00 -
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I would imagine if it ever got to the point where any player entity controled the Eve universe, to such an extent, CCP would adjust to this with in game mechanics,, IE, BoB or any other entity getting to such a stage, may find a War dec from the Jovians (this would be in the spirit of the storyline and game mechanics), but lets face it, a race that makes concord look like simpletons, wont have much problem smashing something as trivial as a player alliance lol.
The real point here is a if player entity effects the general populace of eve to an extent that affects CCP's ability to continue with their buisness model, then game mechanics will probably be used to address the balance in some manner.
There is no end game screen in eve, except canceling your account and uninstalling the client, in which case you lose.
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Johlie
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Posted - 2006.05.20 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: El Ganador
Edited by: El Ganador on 12/05/2006 10:34:55
^^ The US has never fought a foreign power on its own soil for a reason(not counting revolutionary war but we realy werent the US at that time). Why risk a loss or just a hastle when you can take it to the enemy first. As for taking over the world Pinky and Brain style let them try. They will probably take out a few more aliances before they are threw, but BoB is not inmortal. Moaning and groaning about them isnt going to kill them its only going to make them stronger. I dare to say that if everyone boycotted the BoB threads for a week they would probably cry and give up all together. If you dont like them then do something about it.
Do they not teach history in schools anymore?!
What about the war of 1812 when the british burned down the original presidential mansion and most of washington d.c.
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Flyyn
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Posted - 2006.05.22 18:30:00 -
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BoB will win, when the CEO of CCP decides he has had enough, and pushes the reset button, to start the game over from scratch...
It is said in the shadows, that all the Devs/GM's/Mod/and office workers of CCP belong/control BOB.
Of course I might be wrong, and will soon find my self baned for bringing this back into the light.....
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Red Skywatcher
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Posted - 2006.05.26 21:22:00 -
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If CCP is, and I think they are, trying to create a realistic universe with a somewhat realistic political environment, they wouldent allow any alliance to get too big.
The Amarr Empire would wipe BOB or any other band of teenagers off the map 1000 times over.
And if they couldent, CCP would get cheap and screw with the coding just to reset the balance of power.
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James Duar
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Posted - 2006.05.27 03:58:00 -
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This thread continues to amuse me. BoB's best weapon is and remains the fact that they can convince everyone else they have already won.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.05.27 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: badob
the US has fought a Foreign power on its own soil, in 1812 the US Declared war on Britain and invaded Canada,
Wasnt really an invasion. They just went up in some gank squads to pod some mounties.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2006.05.27 11:14:00 -
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considering that bob havent gotten any new space for a year, they are probably not that successfull afterall.... since they aim to conquer all?
"We brake for nobody"
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Zdragva
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Posted - 2006.05.27 19:54:00 -
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Let it die.......
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fireraven
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Posted - 2006.05.28 01:33:00 -
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well all i have to say is MOO as if no one remembers that is the greatest pvsping group ever in eve. so susessfull they had to totaly change the game due to them . aka comcord being invincible callingi in more ships if u attack in high sec. bob will never be able to have a claim that they where so elete they actualy got ccp to change almost every major game mechanic in the game.
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DarkFollower
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Posted - 2006.05.28 02:52:00 -
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There is no such think as winning , the only thing u can do in eve is lose , the only thing u can "win" is fun , i mean look at it this way , u lose ships , u lose modules , u can win a fight and the next day lose it , alliaces that get created eventually get destroyed , and even if u have total domination , then u still lose cuz there will be no1 else to fight.
The only thing certain in eve is that u will lose sooner or latter 
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Emily Black
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Posted - 2006.05.28 04:51:00 -
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Victim: Dianabolic
Alliance: Band of Brothers
Corp: Reikoku
Destroyed: Moros
System: 9CG6-H
Security: 0.0
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dimensionZ
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Posted - 2006.05.28 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Emily Black
Victim: Dianabolic
Alliance: Band of Brothers
Corp: Reikoku
Destroyed: Moros
System: 9CG6-H
Security: 0.0
If you knew dianabolic, you wouldnt be surprised
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2006.05.28 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Emily Black
Victim: Dianabolic
Alliance: Band of Brothers
Corp: Reikoku
Destroyed: Moros
System: 9CG6-H
Security: 0.0
See you later guys
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Dors Venabily
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Posted - 2006.05.28 22:55:00 -
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Blah blah blah Bob will loose if not to outside force then to them selfs. Exactly how many big and old and powerfull named alliances collapsed this year?
Bahh
Would be intersted to see all the pirate corps allied and attack them that would be fun.
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