Now to start off with it should have a relatively low tank compared with other battleships maybe something like 40 - 60k EHP and lower achievable resistances than a normal battleship so ASBing it would not be a real option. also it should use Citadel Torpedo so it can't hit battleship's for s***.

It by why I fly nags now...they work better after losing these pos launchers you and your friends keep on pushing knowing they suck ass and do not even have the promise of a soon (tM) from ccp to get fixed.

IIRC it was mentioned a while ago that CCP had been brainstorming a fix for the phoenix pre-Rubicon, but rather then trying to roll out a specialized fix for it they decided to wait until the capital rebalance (which they have started brainstorming about, but will probably be the last of the ships to be rebalanced). Thus we are rather stuck with the phoenix's current iteration for awhile yet.

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Nag was an unexpected change they implemented with little to no warning and/or testing. Even better this was an unexpected present. NAg pilots for the priveledge of flying vertical accepted lost highs to a crap weapons system. They had some guns to not suck as bad so accepted thier fate to fly vertitcal or kick it in the rusty roof when in carriers. basically they did not complain nearly as much as phoenix pilots and got a reward.

Moros also was an unexpected nerf....it was jsut in imminent patch notes then poof on the server iirc.

TL;DR...ccp has not been scared to do specialized fixes for other caps/cap weapons systems on the fly.

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Nag was an unexpected change they implemented with little to no warning and/or testing. Even better this was an unexpected present. NAg pilots for the priveledge of flying vertical accepted lost highs to a crap weapons system. They had some guns to not suck as bad so accepted thier fate to fly vertitcal or kick it in the rusty roof when in carriers. basically they did not complain nearly as much as phoenix pilots and got a reward.

Moros also was an unexpected nerf....it was jsut in imminent patch notes then poof on the server iirc.

TL;DR...ccp has not been scared to do specialized fixes for other caps/cap weapons systems on the fly.

Cit. torp don't even hit caps bright one. It would be why we get the fix the phoenix threads. It be why switching them to hybrids is an idea that gets better everyone time I hear it. It by why I fly nags now...they work better after losing these pos launchers you and your friends keep on pushing knowing they suck ass and do not even have the promise of a soon (tM) from ccp to get fixed.


Bring dreads to kill caps. Its not rocket science. That damn space poor or fail cap them out and gang bang with bs' or tier 3 BC's.

Make a battleship with that low EHP and my Dread will just one shot it... so much for your anti capital thing..

OP?

Fit smartbombs, become immune to these things.


That's...not good.

When CCP removes abuse of the dps on logistic ship ( carrier ) there will be no issue with the capital ships.

carriers are NOT logistic ships they are support ship just like aircraft carriers in real life. that you can transport ships doesn't change anything about that.

carriers are NOT logistic ships they are support ship just like aircraft carriers in real life. that you can transport ships doesn't change anything about that.

Actually carriers (not supercarriers) ARE logistic ships when the have a Triage Module fitted. Infact they become the principle logistic ships for capitals and super capitals.

Again there going to be sitting out at 150k and as I said if there too weak you could just make them able to cloak while in Sudo bastion so they could take a shot then cloak as soon as they see probes or a frig coming in close. Second you wouldn't blob up like a bunch of r-tards and would spread out...

and spacing so you wouldn't lose too many to decloaking by frigs wouldn't be that difficult given a 300km wide Sphere "maybe a little more. " to spread out in.

What I meant was,


Citadel torps move really slowly. And are vulnerable to smartbombs. And can be speed tanked by titans. Carriers fitting smartbombs will just pop them before they get close.

I think this is a bad idea, not only because og lag issues, but also because of the time and effort put into capitals - they should be near indestructable.

As is capitals are nowhere near indestructible if your talking about non super caps with 2-3 t3's and 2 logi ships and about 5 - 7 you can take out a local repping carrier or dread. A buffer takes about 10 - 15 minutes. And a super cap takes about 20-30 minutes with 20 proteus and 4 support ships.

Admittedly though to that kind of fire-power it's going to have support before you kill it but 50 - 100 T3's can easily take out a lone supercap usually before support arrives if support is not on standby.

Its just that these would make it so that you could do it with 13 to 25 of these could take out a super cap before support arrives if its not bait and with 50 it wouldn't matter if it was bait to a point because with miner losses you could burn down a super cap relatively quickly. So quickly that if your fleet is spread out across the field a sub cap fleet of even 100 and 2 maybe 4 carriers repping wouldn't be able to take you all down before the super caps goes pop.

Although keeping it there while you shoot it is a different story.

I'm pretty sure that I said that you should give them a velocity modifier on the hull also a reduction in burn time but make it end up so that they can hit out to 150 with max skills that would sort out the problem. As if you wanted to you could make them as fast as normal cruise missiles or even faster if need be.

But I would suggest no buffs to exp vol or explosion radius because then they might actually be useful against sub-caps which with 3000 - 4000 dps would make them OP to ****.

"As is capitals are nowhere near indestructible if your talking about non super caps with 2-3 t3's and 2 logi ships and about 5 - 7 you can take out a local repping carrier or dread. A buffer takes about 10 - 15 minutes. And a super cap takes about 20-30 minutes with 20 proteus and 4 support ships."

I think you further underscored my point.

The thing is that capitals are player made, thus they should have an advantage that is comparable to the time and effort put into it. A battleship can be bought by anyone doing a day or two of mining or a level 4 mission. The ratio is fine, perhaps it should be even less possible to destroy capitals such as dreadnoughts and especially carriers, it would be more fun to be in low sec then.

I don't think normal players fully appreciate how much time you have to spend to even be able to make capital ships. Let alone make one.

Anti-Capital Shipclass. first thing that comes to mind: Torpravens.