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HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:15:00 - [61] Originally by: welsh wizard Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Rellik B00n missiles are getting nerfed again next patch uh... what? I hope hes kidding, leave the damn missiles alone! :( either he's completely bull****ting, or has been getting pillowtalk from the devs. guess which i think is more likely Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
welsh wizard	Posted - 2006.04.07 13:37:00 - [62] Someone said something about a close range heavy missile launcher being released with Kali, but it could be speculation. Is there an official source responsible for this rumour? I want heavy rocket launchers for cruisers \o/
Kunming	Posted - 2006.04.07 14:00:00 - [63] yes and its in close connection with missiles and the fact there is no counter for them. Dont u dare mentioning defenders.. dont u dare.. Website Kaos Empire Killboard
Kurren	Posted - 2006.04.07 14:15:00 - [64] Edited by: Kurren on 07/04/2006 14:19:58 Originally by: welsh wizard Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: welsh wizard Which Caldari hac is the one you're referring to out of interest? Cerberus, obviously. The Eagles a top pvp ship too aslong as you don't restrict yourself to ranged combat. /signed Eagles, with the right resistance boosts, are a damn near un***able tank! Originally by:** Jenny Spitfire Oh, this again? I picked Caldari because their potraits are the nicest compared to the rest. Maybe for the chicks, but I'm Gallente and just look how HOTT I am!! --- --- --- --- SobaKai.com
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.07 14:17:00 - [65] Originally by: welsh wizard Someone said something about a close range heavy missile launcher being released with Kali, but it could be speculation. Is there an official source responsible for this rumour? I want heavy rocket launchers for cruisers \o/ not for kali. tomB mentioned it as a possible, but didn't confirm it would come in, or give a time Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
Mishima	Posted - 2006.04.09 14:32:00 - [66] Originally by: Jinx Barker Originally by: Rellik B00n missiles are getting nerfed again next patch, they are by no means overpowered atm imo I hope you are joking. If anything they should un-nerf them. Caldari Ships are the HEAVIEST and LEAST Agile ships in game. You really need to spend some time skilling up to use the ship properly, you need to learn something like 4-5 Mill SP to be really good at shield tanking, as opposed to 2.5-3 Mill with armour tankers. You need few million SP in Missile Skills to become proficient at hitting frigates for more than 10 Hp. I can go on. But, what the hell, maybe I should scrap all my training and go for an Apocalypse or Gedon, like everyone else. As I stated in another thread, Caldari ships, other than AF/Ceptors are an "ugly child" of EVE it seems. To all the inexperienced Ceptor pilots and Frigate pilots out there: "When you fly with MWD blazing in a straight line towards a missile boat, your ship will explode, its not missile's fault, its yours for not using a proper tactic." öWhen you have a missile boat lock you in a Ceptor/Frigate and he has activated a Nossie on youà its time to warp out, or get the hell out of its range. When your ship explodes, its not a nossieÆs fault, it your own.ö Following ships need love: Tempest a #1 Ugly Child of EVE Raven a #2 (vying for a #1 spot) Ugly, stepchild of EVE Here's another quote by a stupid noob who has no idea how eve combat works. I love x-mas :D
Gravis	Posted - 2006.04.09 14:44:00 - [67] I love my ravens/eagles/cerberus overpowered drone bay -----------------------------------------------
fairimear	Posted - 2006.04.09 14:46:00 - [68] Edited by: fairimear on 09/04/2006 14:52:37 The raven is way to versitile. the missile revise set it back for a bit but now the mass of raven pilots have the newer skills at 5 and it has become way to effective again. BUT Dont even think of trying to say that outloud. Why cus just like the excuse there are more caldari (Best excuse EVER) the fact is the raven pilots probably are equal to ALL other teir 2 pilots combined so trying to get anything done just gets put down. Just be thankfull they nerfed the sensor jammers. My recomendation: climbe into your domi with maxed skills and fit it with jammers go tech the raven some respect. Just prey you don't meet anything but the target your after cus domi's as good as they are really need a specific hardener tank or your crap grid that allows for crap armor reps will not repair at a suficient rate.
Darken Two	Posted - 2006.04.09 14:52:00 - [69] Originally by: welsh wizard Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: welsh wizard Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: welsh wizard Which Caldari hac is the one you're referring to out of interest? Cerberus, obviously. The Eagles a top pvp ship too aslong as you don't restrict yourself to ranged combat. being outdamaged by a thorax 4tw? Are we talking about damage only here or which ship would win a 1v1? Blaster Eagle > Deimos/Thorax Is a blaster eagle feasible? I always thought they wouldn't do well with blasters. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Double TaP	Posted - 2006.04.09 14:55:00 - [70] /emote flies around Jita attacking Concord in his nighthawk. LoL they thought they could blow up my Caldari Ships!
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.04.09 15:01:00 - [71] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Rellik B00n missiles are getting nerfed again next patch uh... what? I think he means how they're going to 'fix' precision missiles to make them as useless as the other t2 ammo types. Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Father Weebles	Posted - 2006.04.09 15:21:00 - [72] imo Caldari ships are the best for PVE, but one of if not the least effective in PVP. Im learning to get a Raven for lvl4's, and after I get enough Caldari skills I will learn how to fly amarr ships.
Double TaP	Posted - 2006.04.09 15:36:00 - [73] Originally by: Father Weebles imo Caldari ships are the best for PVE, but one of if not the least effective in PVP. Im learning to get a Raven for lvl4's, and after I get enough Caldari skills I will learn how to fly amarr ships. Alright, meet me in Providence with your apoc. I'l bring my scorp.
Ginger Magician	Posted - 2006.04.09 16:06:00 - [74] There are ways of taking down ravens.Scorps are almost impossible to kill if the pilot knows what he is doing however. But certainly overall Caldari ships are the best for PVE and they are good for fleet combat as well.For small skirmishes and soloing its another matter however.
Double TaP	Posted - 2006.04.09 17:07:00 - [75] Originally by: Ginger Magician There are ways of taking down ravens.Scorps are almost impossible to kill if the pilot knows what he is doing however. But certainly overall Caldari ships are the best for PVE and they are good for fleet combat as well.For small skirmishes and soloing its another matter however. Il agree to that. Hard to solo and actually make kills in eagle and cerb. Harpy is fun for soloing, and so is crow with a really good setup.
Lord Spidey	Posted - 2006.04.09 17:59:00 - [76] Originally by: Darken Two Is a blaster eagle feasible? I always thought they wouldn't do well with blasters. feasible...yes good dps...no
Sun Ra	Posted - 2006.04.10 10:31:00 - [77] ravens can gank and tank so, yeah :P Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
Fillmeup	Posted - 2006.04.10 10:54:00 - [78] IMHO, Raven is one of the most common ships in-game cause of one simple reason, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the way they are currently. It was because of the way they were. Any noob could grab a Raven, skill up a minute amount compared to other BS's, and solo lvl4 missions and stand a good chance in PvP combat. They were so overpowered that almost everyone (not including me, I love my thron)owned and used em, especially for PVE. Combat in a raven consisted generally of target, press F1 though F7 and tank. That changed with the missle revision, which brought them down to around the same level as most BS's. Do a search on the forums and find the 17 billion old threads of people crying 'nerf' to the raven and other missle boats (I can't solo LvL4 missions anymore ... waaaah!) In-fact, there were more threads about this than there currently are about BOB So no, all things aside the Raven is not overpowered. However, the scorp is one scary S.O.B. unless your prepared for it ... (why can't I move, why can't I fire, why am I veeeery slowly dying and why the hell am I wetting myself?!?) Oh, and the Tempest still sucks.
Brastagi	Posted - 2006.04.10 11:02:00 - [79] You know what I want? I want Caldari Battleships size bigger... they looks like dwarf compared to other races battleship size... --------- The PIEs are there. The cAKe are here. Even the [23] are watching you...
Iberi	Posted - 2006.04.10 11:21:00 - [80] Originally by: fairimear Edited by: fairimear on 09/04/2006 14:52:37 The raven is way to versitile. the missile revise set it back for a bit but now the mass of raven pilots have the newer skills at 5 and it has become way to effective again. What to say about Dominix? MOST versatile ship in galaxy? Tier 1 BS which can destroy any BS with easy(with correct setup and reasonable skills)... What to say about drones? It is THE ONLY UBER WEAPON in the GAME. You may fight without missile and without lasers, without hybrids and without projectiles. But you CANNOT FIGHT WITHOUT DRONES. Quote: Why cus just like the excuse there are more caldari (Best excuse EVER) the fact is the raven pilots probably are equal to ALL other teir 2 pilots combined so trying to get anything done just gets put down. He-he. Ever seen raven? Ever fought raven? Try. Write. It is PvP, dude. Quote: Just be thankfull they nerfed the sensor jammers. Never seen real problems with jamming. 1. BS is difficult to be jammed, especially with some backing up. 2. You always may use jam in support fleet. On any ship. You cannot use drones on many Caldari ships at all. All other races are limited in drone usage. 3. The only resonable addition to Caldari doubtful jamming bonuses on two ships absolutely unsuitable for PvE(20% to strength, double distance or double distance and capcitor bonus) are penalized in long run missiles(may be except very very long run, since 2003 year or veryvery short run, first three monthes). Caldari's ships are for NOOBs. Exception is one - Scorpion.
Faruda	Posted - 2006.04.10 11:22:00 - [81] Originally by: Sun Ra ravens can gank and tank so, yeah :P So why you are not using Ravens too much?
GLok	Posted - 2006.04.10 11:25:00 - [82] Originally by: Coltaine Crow It has been my observation (confirmed by others more experienced than I) that Caldari ships (Raven for example) are far more common than the others. This must be for a good reason, as some folks have played this for long enough to have tried many other ships. It has even been said (in online chat) that I won't see alot of Minmatar ships in low security space, because they're at a distinct disadvantage (regardless of skills). It has been estimated that over 50% of the ships in low security space are Caldari (ignoring pilot's race). I cannot imagine this was the intent of the game developers. So, in your personal observations is this true? How can we encourage pilots to fly the other ships? Ravens are the ships that all noobs go for thats why you see lots of them. Its because when people start the game they think "oh missles must mean big explosions yay" therefore they go generally for caldari. Also missles are alot easier to understand to use than Turrets. I wouldnt say that they are overpowered. Being a Raven pilot myself i find they are just as skill intensive as other battleships. As for other Caldari ships. God knows maybe they just look cool PvP Osprey ftw! -----------------------------------------------
Twilight Moon	Posted - 2006.04.10 11:25:00 - [83] Originally by: Iberi What to say about Dominix? MOST versatile ship in galaxy? Tier 1 BS which can destroy any BS with easy(with correct setup and reasonable skills)... Cant you just stay out of NOS range and smartbomb the drones?
Tresh Keen	Posted - 2006.04.10 11:26:00 - [84] Originally by: Coltaine Crow I ignored pilot races, because I didn't want to suggest there were too many Caldari pilots. This isn't a race topic as much as a ship topic. So many pilots that are not Caldari, fly Caldari ships for a reason. And i know a lot caldari pilots who use only ships from other races - Amarr for example. Blame CCP that they have made Caldari the best looking race . Raven are nice, i like to fly them and its the only BS i can fly (ok, i can fly a scoprion too). But there are other BS which are nice too - but like with the missiles - you need skills. The Amar BS are pretty impressive with tanking and dealing a lot of damage. But its always the same with you all : The ship/weapon you cant use are allways better then the one you use..... My suggestion: Skill for raven and missiles and try it out. Cheers, Trash
welsh wizard	Posted - 2006.04.10 11:35:00 - [85] Edited by: welsh wizard on 10/04/2006 11:47:05 Originally by: Darken Two Originally by: welsh wizard Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: welsh wizard Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: welsh wizard Which Caldari hac is the one you're referring to out of interest? Cerberus, obviously. The Eagles a top pvp ship too aslong as you don't restrict yourself to ranged combat. being outdamaged by a thorax 4tw? Are we talking about damage only here or which ship would win a 1v1? Blaster Eagle > Deimos/Thorax Is a blaster eagle feasible? I always thought they wouldn't do well with blasters. An eagle pilot with high tanking and good blaster skills can meet any hac in the game and win. They're still not very widespread either so you're going to get over confident Deimos and Zealot pilots coming at you guns blazing. Of course every hac can kill another hac if you get the setup right but the blaster eagle works very well against a variety of opponents. If you know what you're doing its one of the most dangerous ships 1 v 1 in the game. edit: Same goes for a Bloa to a lesser extent, works well against over confident Thorax' etc.
Galea Wildfang	Posted - 2006.04.10 11:38:00 - [86] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia I think he means how they're going to 'fix' precision missiles to make them as useless as the other t2 ammo types. Can you point me to where this is to be found ?
Iberi	Posted - 2006.04.10 11:43:00 - [87] Originally by: Fillmeup IMHO, Raven is one of the most common ships in-game cause of one simple reason, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the way they are currently. It was because of the way they were. Any noob could grab a Raven, skill up a minute amount compared to other BS's, and solo lvl4 missions and stand a good chance in PvP combat. They were so overpowered that almost everyone (not including me, I love my thron)owned and used em, especially for PVE. Combat in a raven consisted generally of target, press F1 though F7 and tank. That changed with the missle revision, which brought them down to around the same level as most BS's. Do a search on the forums and find the 17 billion old threads of people crying 'nerf' to the raven and other missle boats (I can't solo LvL4 missions anymore ... waaaah!) In-fact, there were more threads about this than there currently are about BOB So no, all things aside the Raven is not overpowered. However, the scorp is one scary S.O.B. unless your prepared for it ... (why can't I move, why can't I fire, why am I veeeery slowly dying and why the hell am I wetting myself?!?) Absolutely right. NOOOOW Raven is good, but not better than properly fitted and controlled Apoc. It may be better in PvE, may be better or comprable in very small group PvP, but it much less useful in serious PvP. And it can mine. And GOOD raven pilot cannot change Raven for something different(just fi, shield tanking, missile is not armour tanking and gunnery of Tempest, Mega and Apoc ) But who NOW cares about PvE. Almost any ship is good in PvE, see no problem with PvE. The problem is PvP.
Snake Jankins	Posted - 2006.04.10 11:47:00 - [88] Missiles work great vs. angels, because of explosive damage without needing a lot of SP. So it's no wonder that many npc'ers fly caldari ships in Minmatar space and in angel territory. I trained for caldari bs myself, when I did lvl.4 missions for the Republic Fleet. If I look at our pvp fleets, they are not totally caldari dominated. O.k, some scorpions are always nice and many interceptor pilots fly crows, but I think we've got usually as many megas and apocs as ravens in our gang. Also some tempests. I usually switch to my tempest char for pvp, because the chance to kill something is higher imho. With a raven you often have the problem that the target is already dead or warped away, before you do damage. ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.'
Winter Star	Posted - 2006.04.10 12:15:00 - [89] Personally I fly Caldari for the missiles. Currently I solely do PvE. I use a Raven because with missiles you don't have to worry about anything other than max range, no worrying about being jammed, transversal, missing..... etc. They are much simpler to operate than a gun setup. That's why I fly Caldari currently. Start wearing purple for me now
Tasuric Orka	Posted - 2006.04.10 12:30:00 - [90] I agree, missles ftw. None of this "missing" and optimal range crap. Just lock, press the button and wait. ________________________________________________ Hypocritical.

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