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Phoenix Lord
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Posted - 2006.04.06 22:52:00 -
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IMO, caldari are not overpowered. Their ships suck for anything other than small engagements (3on3 or less) and PvE.
They cant be used as a mining ship becuase of the low turret hardpoints.
They cant be used too well in large PVP engagements because you have to wait for the damage, while the other racial ships are getting kills and instapopping BSes from long range before your cruise missiles even hit.
Also, ive seen more people use Apocs than ravens.
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Nifel
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Posted - 2006.04.06 22:59:00 -
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Eagle is ridiciously good for long range sniping vs frigates. Watch them clean house among the enemy support in fleet battles.
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.04.06 23:02:00 -
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Caldari bs are still damn useful in fleet combat though especially the scorp.
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Raven Aure
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Posted - 2006.04.06 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard
Caldari bs are still damn useful in fleet combat though especially the scorp.
QFT. Such an underrated ship.
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Prestis
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Posted - 2006.04.06 23:13:00 -
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Personally I always equip a Gravimetric ECM on anything I fly with a spare mid.
It pays off well when a good half the ships you fight are crippled by it and it's not like they're very likely to have a Ladar or Radar jammer fitted, they'll probably have Gravimetric themselves if anything. Make Caldari pay for their overpopulation. 
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.04.06 23:18:00 -
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Gotta love the way the scorp has the most feeble damage output of the lot but its the only BS people will very rarely take on 1v1 ;)
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.04.06 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Raven Aure
Originally by: welsh wizard
Caldari bs are still damn useful in fleet combat though especially the scorp.
QFT. Such an underrated ship.
Scorpions underrated?! Now I've heard everything!
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.04.07 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Coltaine Crow
*snip*
To answer your question with my personal opions on the overall 'best' of different ship classes...
Frig: Kestrel
Destroyer: Tie, they all lose.
Cruiser: Tough choice. Blasterax is crazy DPS, Blackbird is ewar(cheat), Caracal has uber range. thorax or blackbird, or a tie for the two.
Battlecruiser: Brutix. Looks like a cross between the domi and thorax, and puts out the rax dmg, or more, and has much more grid/cpu to work with. Ferox is good if you sleep through lvl 3 missions, that's about it.
Battleship: Scorpion. this is due to EWAR being king of the battlefield. The Raven has sweet, sweet torp DPS on other BSes, but in long-range fights, your enemy is going to blast you half a dozen times before warping off to avoid being hit by your first torpedo salvo.
Dreadnaught: Moros. Why? Because Dreads (going by the year-old dev blog) are anti-POS and anti-BS. XL weapons are about as useful against a BS as a large gun is against an inty. The moros however, has sickeningly high DPS with drones, and will probably turn almost any BS into a pile of scrap in no time, while tanking more than anything the BS could throw at the moros.
Carrier: Gallente, even though it should be Caldari.
MS: Minmatar!
Titan: Jove, the others can't even 1 shot a decently tanked BS!
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Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.04.07 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
The Minmatar have one good frigate
The vigil is also great (assuming you meant the Rifter). Wonderful tackler.
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Ante
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Posted - 2006.04.07 01:24:00 -
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The only Caldari ship I think is overpowered is the Crow.
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Bristoll
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Posted - 2006.04.07 01:31:00 -
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Yeah... the Crow... Not the Nid, eh? (not Caldari, but still... )
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Zekk Pacus
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Posted - 2006.04.07 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Phoenix Lord
IMO, caldari are not overpowered. Their ships suck for anything other than small engagements (3on3 or less) and PvE.
They cant be used as a mining ship becuase of the low turret hardpoints.
That's why the best damn mining cruiser in the game is Caldari? Well, it's a tie with the scythe, but since my Osprey can tank 0.0 (admittedly not a battleship, but find a belt with a BC spawn and you're good) and I've never seen a scythe do it, I'd say we win on that one.
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Calebes
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Posted - 2006.04.07 02:03:00 -
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Well, personally I would say Caldari ships are used because of one major reason:
People who choose to go for 'missiles, all the way' more likely (ok, fine, they're almost forced to) choose Caldari over other races' ships.
At least that's how it went for me. Decision to go for missiles ("Woot, missiles cool graphics effects, zomg what sound effects as well!" - now, after using missiles for several months I'm beginning to feel sleepyzzz...) -> good missile boats -> Caldari -> shields as well (originally I was looking for lasers + shields. No such combo exits. Too bad I'm such a powergamer.)
And why this happens? Well, because in my opinion basicly you choose between guns or missiles. Of course you can learn both, eventually (and probably will if you get bored with either). But with missiles almost automatically comes Caldari ships. With guns you choose subspecies and with those come different ships.
I doubt people think missiles as just one subcategory of weaponry, like "Should I go lasers, bullets'n'guns, rail-thingies, pew pew blasters or perhaps those missiles I heard about" - instead they figure "Mmm, guns, or missiles, hell I'll go for guns... and perhaps laser ones!"
Missiles are also (imo)a bit too big of a category to be purely support weapons / modules like electronic warfare for example (which most people learn at least the basics) so they need somewhat of a specialization to become efficient.
While it may be true that most people might just go for some race's ships and learn other skills accordingly, there are lot of people who do just the other way around. And with missile users, only real option is (unfortunately?) Caldari boats.
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.04.07 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Beringe
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The Minmatar have one good frigate
The vigil is also great (assuming you meant the Rifter). Wonderful tackler.
No... the vigil is worthless now that rifters have a 3rd mid.
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Olivin
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Posted - 2006.04.07 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: Calebes
Well, personally I would say Caldari ships are used because of one major reason:
People who choose to go for 'missiles, all the way' more likely (ok, fine, they're almost forced to) choose Caldari over other races' ships.
Most people were joining Caldari race ( at least before) because it was an easy ride: Kestrel, BB, Raven -- owned everything with minimum skills and effort. Folks were able to solo grind lvl4 missions in the Raven, with just about 2 mil sp without breaking a sweat. It doesn't work now as wel as before, but Caldari still most populated race...
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.04.07 07:01:00 -
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Oh, this again?
I picked Caldari because their potraits are the nicest compared to the rest.
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Tonkin
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Posted - 2006.04.07 07:08:00 -
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i wnt more power to ravens, and u said a raven snipin, erm
HOW
when im at 260 by the time my missiles hit the target has jumped out of system after warping off.
they do the same damage to a hit. do you see your juganaught torpedo hits perfect and wrecking for 2000 damage.
plus you can only fit 4 rails on the damn thing and the power grid cant fit anything else.
hopefully the tier 3 bs that comes out for caldari will have more turret hardpoints and a bigger power grid.
ravens are so common because they are good at missions. i do use mine in pvp becasue i trained my skills to pack a hard punch at close range, long range though by the time my missiles hit the target is dead.
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Bohoba
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Posted - 2006.04.07 07:29:00 -
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Myth Raven is not King look and the mega the apoc the domi the temp the phoon :)
Yes BS lvl5 Cald here and kicks ars but far from King or over powered they fixed that with the nerf and added skill that don't help much.
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Tonkin
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Posted - 2006.04.07 07:32:00 -
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guns will always rule eve, prefer missiles though becasue you dont have to worry about range, annoys me changing ammo when the target gets closer.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.04.07 07:46:00 -
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No.
Missiles are overpowered.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.04.07 08:03:00 -
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I started as a caldari, because I liked the background. So I flew a merlin, broke it.
Figured the caracal was the better of the two cruiser choices for missioning (and it was, back when you didn't need anywhere near as many skills to be effective).
And then flew a scorp, and loved it
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Malakai0
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Posted - 2006.04.07 08:12:00 -
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I fly amarr, gallente, and caldari right now, with more SP into caldari ships and missles than the other.
Caldari ships are (mostly) great for pve, but mediocre for pvp due to missle flight times. Raven's arent that much help in fleets, targets who get called primary are 99% of the time dead before your torps/cruise ever get near it, and the same goes for the caracal. Now, of course, caldari ewar ships are a different story, but the bbird/scorp do ewar well but not much dps, they aren't solo pwnmobiles by any means.
I'm working on some minmatar as well, I think ill just cross train minnie and caldari from here out. I especially like smaller minnie ships like the stabber and their t2 frigs. If the hawk ever turns into a straight missle AF then I may start to like caldari t2 frigs more as well :D
TBH i mainly fly caldari because
a) missles just look nicer than guns. pretty flights, pretty explosions
b) caldari can be very flexible in some ways, ie being able to fit a raven out with a good tank and still get decent dps with a few bcu2 and good ranges. Of course, even a torpraven can't begin to compare to the dps other races bs' can achieve with closer range ammo and some dmg mods. A well fit megathron can burn through even a heavy tanked raven's shields in a surprising and rather scary amount of time...
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.07 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: Raven Aure
Originally by: welsh wizard
Caldari bs are still damn useful in fleet combat though especially the scorp.
QFT. Such an underrated ship.
since when has it been under-rated? 
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Mishima
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Posted - 2006.04.07 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 06/04/2006 22:22:07
(for PvP combat, where good means "totally awesome and known for their pwnage")
The Caldari have one good frigate, two good cruisers, one good HAC, and two good battleships.
The Gallente have no good frigates, three good cruisers, two good HACs, and two good battleships.
The Minmatar have one good frigate, two good cruisers, one good HAC, and one good battleship.
The Amarr have no good frigates, one good cruiser, one good HAC, and two good battleships.
I don't see Caldari here as overpowered.
here's a quote by a real stupid noob
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Rellik B00n
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Posted - 2006.04.07 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada
its not the ships but the "I WIN" skill choice of missles
you mean like the "I WIN" skill choice of lasers?
Or sniping rails?
Or logging your entire fleet out and jumping someone by logging back in?
missiles are getting nerfed again next patch, they are by no means overpowered atm imo
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wack'em
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Posted - 2006.04.07 09:36:00 -
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ah well, i always fit racial ECM's nowadays on my ubernix, esp when i shoot noobs :)
realy like when they try and kill you with 3 blind ravens, all shooting FOF cruise :)
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.07 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Rellik B00n
missiles are getting nerfed again next patch
uh... what?
Win a Cerberus!!
sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris
yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing
Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.04.07 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Rellik B00n
missiles are getting nerfed again next patch
uh... what?
I hope hes kidding, leave the damn missiles alone! :(
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Jinx Barker
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Posted - 2006.04.07 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rellik B00n
missiles are getting nerfed again next patch, they are by no means overpowered atm imo
I hope you are joking.
If anything they should un-nerf them.
Caldari Ships are the HEAVIEST and LEAST Agile ships in game.
You really need to spend some time skilling up to use the ship properly, you need to learn something like 4-5 Mill SP to be really good at shield tanking, as opposed to 2.5-3 Mill with armour tankers.
You need few million SP in Missile Skills to become proficient at hitting frigates for more than 10 Hp.
I can go on. But, what the hell, maybe I should scrap all my training and go for an Apocalypse or Gedon, like everyone else.
As I stated in another thread, Caldari ships, other than AF/Ceptors are an "ugly child" of EVE it seems.
To all the inexperienced Ceptor pilots and Frigate pilots out there:
"When you fly with MWD blazing in a straight line towards a missile boat, your ship will explode, its not missile's fault, its yours for not using a proper tactic."
öWhen you have a missile boat lock you in a Ceptor/Frigate and he has activated a Nossie on youà its time to warp out, or get the hell out of its range. When your ship explodes, its not a nossieÆs fault, it your own.ö
Following ships need love:
Tempest a #1 Ugly Child of EVE
Raven a #2 (vying for a #1 spot) Ugly, stepchild of EVE
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.04.07 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Raven Aure
Originally by: welsh wizard
Caldari bs are still damn useful in fleet combat though especially the scorp.
QFT. Such an underrated ship.
since when has it been under-rated?
Well, everyone ignores it in a fleet, because it's got no firepower...
oh wait...
(Please, could everyone start ignoring my scorp in a fleet, I'm just a harmless carebear who likes that off centre design)
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