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PrincessOf
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Posted - 2006.04.07 08:35:00 -
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I log in this morning to find an evemail from a player. He says he acidently has purchased a Radio-S crystal of mine for 5 Million isk. I sell Radio Ss for 8750, and I know I did not have one up for 5M as I sell them 200 at a time for 8700.
Much to my amazement, after reviewing my transactions, 1 Radio S was sold to said player for 5M isk. Double checked market orders, I have 100+ still at 8750, the only Radio order I put up.
How did this player come to pay 5M for an item I dont have up for 5M? If I refund the cash, is there anyway through the market he can undo the order getting another 5M?
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Astorothe
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Posted - 2006.04.07 08:37:00 -
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Some screwy market transations have been recorded where one person who tried selling something at a ridiculously high price, sells it and the money goes to the person with the lowest priced item for sale.
Your not obliged to refund it. The guy should not have bought it. And if he tried to buy the normal priced item and got ripped by a bug, then he needs to petition it.
Dont send the guy anything.
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Steven Dynahir
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Posted - 2006.04.07 08:53:00 -
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Simple reason.
If you make a buy order which is higher than the sell order, the value of the buy order is used.
Personally I assumed that the order would be matched as first come first served basis, but I found it out the hard way. I bought few thousand 50mm plates for recycle with region wide order, and the limit amount (which was higher than most sell orders) was used in transactions.
So people got more money from their orders than the original sell amount. Which happened to you today.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.04.07 09:39:00 -
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Edited by: Baldour Ngarr on 07/04/2006 09:40:26
Hard to believe that someone would place a buy order for a Radio S crystal at 5,000,000 isk though... unless he thought it was a True Sansha crystal or something.
Anyway.. if it's a bug, a GM should refund it, not you. And if it's the buyer being stupid, that's his problem, not yours.
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In case you're as dumb-honest as I am, you can reverse the trade (give him 4,991,750 ISK back) and there's no way he can undo it through his wallet journal.
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.04.07 10:51:00 -
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market UI is bugged as ewll another quality effort of CCP programming that isnt related to combat.
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PrincessOf
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Posted - 2006.04.07 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: PrincessOf on 07/04/2006 11:07:14
Edited by: PrincessOf on 07/04/2006 11:04:22
 Originally by: Astorothe
Some screwy market transations have been recorded where one person who tried selling something at a ridiculously high price, sells it and the money goes to the person with the lowest priced item for sale.
It appears this is the case. According to one of the evemails, he put up a Radio S for 5 Million on his alt as a means to transfer cash he stated. Not sure why as "Give Money" would incur no sales tax. But instead of the alt getting 5 mill, it went to me.
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there's no way he can undo it through his wallet journal.
I was curious if there was some "return for refund" option in game. Thanks for clearing it up :)
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.04.07 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Overlord
market UI is bugged as ewll another quality effort of CCP programming that isnt related to combat.
Was the only point of this post to show us your knowledge of run-on sentences and typos?
Market UI has had lots of improvements over the past year
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.04.07 11:18:00 -
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When there is an an item for sale and you state you want to buy it for much more Isk, you pay much more. And you have to click the warning away.
Circumventing the Noob protection might end in lost cash. A GM probably would tell the player to live with it because he ignored all the levels of protection the devs implemented.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.04.07 11:29:00 -
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it depends on you. If you were me, you would refund the difference with a "weird Oo" in the message. If you were many people in the game you would keep the money and tell the guy to screw off and make your first new enemy.
Either way, petition it.
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Kerushi
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Posted - 2006.04.07 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: PrincessOf
Edited by: PrincessOf on 07/04/2006 11:07:14
Edited by: PrincessOf on 07/04/2006 11:04:22
Originally by: Astorothe
Some screwy market transations have been recorded where one person who tried selling something at a ridiculously high price, sells it and the money goes to the person with the lowest priced item for sale.
It appears this is the case. According to one of the evemails, he put up a Radio S for 5 Million on his alt as a means to transfer cash he stated. Not sure why as "Give Money" would incur no sales tax. But instead of the alt getting 5 mill, it went to me.
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there's no way he can undo it through his wallet journal.
I was curious if there was some "return for refund" option in game. Thanks for clearing it up :)
trial account can`t have that much money
set a buy order on ur main account and the sell the crystal with the alt, trial account has money
with ur order on market, some how ur crystal slipped into his buy order, so instead of the alt having 5m, u got 5m
depending who that player is, i`d return the money, otherwise he`s **** out of luck
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Uggster
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Posted - 2006.04.07 11:35:00 -
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Keep the money.
If a noob char can make 5mill isk before he/she can transfer that to a main then I would say that the noob was doing something dodgy to get it.
You cant mine that much veld as an afk noob or farm complexes for that ammount of isk no matter how actually game skilled you may be.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.04.07 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Uggster
Keep the money.
If a noob char can make 5mill isk before he/she can transfer that to a main then I would say that the noob was doing something dodgy to get it.
You cant mine that much veld as an afk noob or farm complexes for that ammount of isk no matter how actually game skilled you may be.
You could get that money teaming up with a vetran player. Wouldnt be too hard at all.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.04.07 13:05:00 -
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If there's two sell orders on the market, yours at 100 isk, and someone elses at 5million isk.
If someone trys to 'buy' the 5million isk one, then then the money goes to the person with the lowest priced sell order. - e.g. the guy selling at 100isk.
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Zabeth
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Posted - 2006.04.07 13:30:00 -
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I had something similar happen to me a while ago as well.
I had placed five Mammoths up on the market for about 935,000 isk each. They all sold rather quickly, and while I was checking the accounts history, I noticed that the 3rd Mammoth had sold for 1,125,000 isk instead of my actual price.
I double-checked my records, and everything seemed to match up except for that one sale.
Mammoth 1 and 2 sold for 935,000 isk, while Mammoth 3 sold for 1,125,000 isk, and Mammoth 4 and 5 sold for 935,000 isk.
However, when I looked over the regional market, I did notice something odd... there was another producer selling Mammoths in the region, but in a different system for exactly 1,125,000 isk.
So it seems, one of my buyers ended up paying the other price instead of my lower price - I did receive their money, and they did receive the ship, but someone else set the price.
Must be a glitch.
It has never happened to me since, but one thing is for certain, I never hit the OK button till I read the fine print of any transaction.
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Uggster
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Posted - 2006.04.07 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Uggster
Keep the money.
If a noob char can make 5mill isk before he/she can transfer that to a main then I would say that the noob was doing something dodgy to get it.
You cant mine that much veld as an afk noob or farm complexes for that ammount of isk no matter how actually game skilled you may be.
You could get that money teaming up with a vetran player. Wouldnt be too hard at all.
Then why would the noob that teamed up with the vet then have/want to give the money to someone else.
Any number of legit things could have happened but it is far more likely that it is not a legit event.
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Trac3rt
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Posted - 2006.04.07 14:51:00 -
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When you right click on an item in the market, and try to buy it, the system creates a buy order for that EXACT value. That buy order then gets immediately filled by the LOWEST sell order avaliable to it.
An easier way to imagine it, is if you have a sell order up in a station for an item at 5,000ISK, and someone puts up a buy order for 5,000,000ISK. Obviously you want to fill that order since it is buying at a much higher price than you are selling. The game will auto-fill that order for you.
IMHO this is a bad way to do things. If you manually specify the order you want to fill, you should fill that order instead of someone elses.
A good example why you would want to do this is if you have two accounts. One is a production character, and one is a PVP character. If the production character has a sell order up, which has been undercut, then it is impossible to buy it with your other character. So instead of buying form the production character (and only losing mineral costs), you end up paying full price for the item to the lower seller.
Finally, remember that trial accounts cannot trade money. So setting up and filling orders like this are used to transfer money from trial accounts.
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Sadayiel
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Posted - 2006.04.07 15:01:00 -
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1st any player, that it's into a activated account can transfer any Isk number to a trial account without any trouble.
Atrial account, can't make an escrow but can claim other i think, also the trial accounts can't send isk to another players.
P.S: when i ended my trial account i had 1 cormorant 3 merlins and like 6m isk to buy a moa just in a 2 week spawn. So it's purely factible that a friend of him made all the isk but finally left game before trial end so he wanted to keep those isk.
And to do so the only way it's an overpriced buy order
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Esaka
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Posted - 2006.04.07 15:10:00 -
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The person obviously tried to transfer money from a trial account to another account, maybe another trial. The market works a bit odd for a newbie, thats why he accidentily transfered the money to the op and 'James Lyrus' already explained how it works. And ppl telling you can't make 5m in 14days have no clue at all. You can get an implant from the first missionset that is nearly worth 2m alone. Within the first 14days of this character here i got more then 20k lp on my level 2 agent and for that an +3 int offer that was worth 40m alone. Very dodgy yeah..
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.04.07 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Hard to believe that someone would place a buy order for a Radio S crystal at 5,000,000 isk though...
It's not a bug, I petitioned it once and was told this is how it's meant to work. When you buy anything on the market, it actually sets up a buy order with duration "immediate". The goods are always bought from the cheapest supplier but you pay the amount you indicated. So those guys putting things on the market for millions are never gonna make anything off it because the isk will go to the guy running the lowest price.
I agree that it's broken because it means if I see a buy order of the volume I want but at a slightly higher price and I go for it, it'll break my order up and buy the cheaper guy. It forces you to undercut prices, which I think is wrong - economics shouldn't be FORCED onto players, it should be a natural occurance. But the GMs have spoken on this one, it's working as intended.
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