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Macro Media
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Posted - 2006.04.07 10:44:00 -
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In my case, its not the rewards, its the feeling of compleatly outsmarting people. I tend to find people fall into three categorys.
1. People who make things happen
2. People who see things happen
3. People who wonder what happened!
Most of the eve population falls under options 2 and 3. Even then, most of these think that scamming relates to charging 10bil for a shuttle, or escrow scam or something similar. As you all know, my scams have been different in that they are Active scams and not passive scams like the above.
But quite lately, insted of the raw anger and emotion, I received praise for teaching them a lesson, and now I am starting to get asked for advice from my victims on how they can pull off big scams as well. It appears to be a recent mindshift towards people enjoying eve more due to scams. Any thoughts on this?
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Sally Mae
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Posted - 2006.04.07 10:52:00 -
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Eve is at the end of the day it's own living breathing alt world (well for some peole) and and such it attacts all walks of life to play as all walks of life,
Scamming is part and parcle of live and as such should always be part of eve.
Your only at risk form your stupiedty
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duffmantt
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Posted - 2006.04.07 11:24:00 -
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scamming weeds the stupid people from the half intelligent people.
come and garden me
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Macro Media
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Posted - 2006.04.07 11:27:00 -
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 Originally by: duffmantt
scamming weeds the stupid people from the half intelligent people.
come and garden me
Hehe, I believe that quite a few member of Pirate Coalition are after my blood. A well executed Clone Haul Scam :)
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duffmantt
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Posted - 2006.04.07 11:33:00 -
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Clone Haul?
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Macro Media
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Posted - 2006.04.07 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: duffmantt
Clone Haul?
Yep. Clone Haul Scam. It is amazing how many CEO's fall for it. It the new technique of tricking a corp into emptying its entire hangers.
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Bexxly
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Posted - 2006.04.07 13:23:00 -
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Wouldn't care either way. It never has and never will affect me.
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Macro Media
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Posted - 2006.04.07 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Bexxly
Wouldn't care either way. It never has and never will affect me.
Most of my victims think they will never be effected by my scams. They think all scams are simply Market scams or escrow scams or eve "trade in space" scams. Just keep that line of thought buddy :)
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Vargrh
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Posted - 2006.04.07 14:01:00 -
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Scamming is a legitimate ingame career imho, thou I would like to see something done to stop constantly recycled week old alts. The sort of detailed scam that brings down a arrogant player or corporation in game and parts them with their isk, is something that should be seen as adding to eves rich tapestry.
Eve was always supposed to be a 'be anything you want' dynamic universe environment, rather then a coddled environment where people are protected from each other and quilted from nefarious enterprises.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.07 14:22:00 -
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scamming is part of what makes eve interesting
Win a Cerberus!!
sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris
yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing
Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler
Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy
Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault
Stop spamming with "QFT" >:|. - Teblin
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Xoria Krint
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Posted - 2006.04.07 14:45:00 -
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No.
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Bexxly
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Posted - 2006.04.07 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Macro Media
Originally by: Bexxly
Wouldn't care either way. It never has and never will affect me.
Most of my victims think they will never be effected by my scams. They think all scams are simply Market scams or escrow scams or eve "trade in space" scams. Just keep that line of thought buddy :)
Don't kid yourself.
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Max Prophet
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Posted - 2006.04.07 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Bexxly
Originally by: Macro Media
Originally by: Bexxly
Wouldn't care either way. It never has and never will affect me.
Most of my victims think they will never be effected by my scams. They think all scams are simply Market scams or escrow scams or eve "trade in space" scams. Just keep that line of thought buddy :)
Don't kid yourself.
gotta go with Bexxly on this one, doesn't affect me and never will. Why? Because it is a game and I am here to have fun. My fun is not derived as a correlation of how much isk i have or how big my ships are, but simply by how much fun i am having. I fully realize that some people equate how much fun they are having to how much hurt they have caused others and/or the amount of fun they have prevented others from having. Knowing this allows me to guard myself from those who prey upon those who are too trustworthy for their own good. Do I not trust strangers to deal with them? No way, that would allow scammers to impinge upon my fun. Do i constantly check employment history to see if they are who they claim to be and/or to see if they have been in the game long enough to be considered a "main" and then weigh all that against what i am risking by dealing with them? Sure, it does not take away from my fun ingame, so why not be careful?
You know, people claim that all scammers are all 12 year olds, people crying for attention or people who are not getting any in real life. I fully realize that there really are players who enjoy playing the bad guy and there is a place for that in a game like eve. The op claims to be one of the latter but i believe that is a lie. Someone who enjoys playing the bad guy is typically not the type of person who will come on the boards and talk about how they enjoy being the bad guy and how good they are at it. They are more likely to like their "evilness" to spread through word of mouth by those being scammed, therefore further legitimizing their claim at infamy. So since the op is obviously relying on his name to become more widely known through his own bragging, he definitely falls into the first set of categories somewhere, tho i know not which one exactly.
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Slythide
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Posted - 2006.04.07 17:47:00 -
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Ironically, people who dwell in scams have usually been scammed theirself at some point in their life.
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.04.07 17:54:00 -
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Quote:
Ironically, people who dwell in scams have usually been scammed theirself at some point in their life.
Ironically people who use pencils have usually been penciled at some point in their life.
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Prestis
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Posted - 2006.04.07 18:14:00 -
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No, I like the free market approach.
MMORPGs where you can get banned at any time for breaking vague, unwritten, matter-of-opinion rules like what constitues 'scamming' suck.
Worse still if you could get banned for accidently slipping an extra 0 or two into a sale price.
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Tzsudoki
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Posted - 2006.04.07 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Bexxly
Originally by: Macro Media
Originally by: Bexxly
Wouldn't care either way. It never has and never will affect me.
Most of my victims think they will never be effected by my scams. They think all scams are simply Market scams or escrow scams or eve "trade in space" scams. Just keep that line of thought buddy :)
Don't kid yourself.
People who don't get scammed are people who don't interact with others other than just the basic buy sell. Actually at this point I'm building everything I need and buying skills from NPC locations. I have a corp, but they are also people who live near me and all want to play together.
For ME the best way not to be scammed is:
1) Don't buy from Escrow
2) Don't believe anyone especially if they are selling something you didn't ask for
3) Always have a backup plan
4) Fly a big ship with big weapons and know how to use it
5) Keep at least 1 billion isk in the bank
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2006.04.07 18:47:00 -
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The scammers themselves aren't exactly bright either. Many of them are nothing but bottom feeders.
I often cringe when people boast on these forums about how they swindled 30m ISK from some empire corps 'basic crap' hangar in refinable items. A good scammer has the (real life) social skills and patience to bide his time and get access to the T2 BPO hangar in stead, or convince his CEO to move a sizable chunk of the corp assets from A to B - then gank him and loot, or ransom his indy/freighter.
Hell, even if you're an opportunist scammer and want to strike and leave your current victim corporation, there are many better options than simply leaving with small change.
Personally, i've never been scammed and probably never will be. Not being*****y, its just that I trust no one and i've got a healthy (?) streak of paranoia about me. I've never scammer either but I know its not as easy as some make it out to be. :)
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Adrian Steel
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Posted - 2006.04.07 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Prestis
No, I like the free market approach.
MMORPGs where you can get banned at any time for breaking vague, unwritten, matter-of-opinion rules like what constitues 'scamming' suck.
Worse still if you could get banned for accidently slipping an extra 0 or two into a sale price.
/signed.
Whatever the game physically allows should be able to be performed as a legitimate game tactic. Otherwise, if the dev's don't like it, they should insert code in the game preventing such acts. A virtual environment is a 100% controlled construct of the creators. The creators should not punish players for using everything the creators gave them in the first place.
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Adrian Steel
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Posted - 2006.04.07 19:10:00 -
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Edited by: Adrian Steel on 07/04/2006 19:10:23
Originally by: Tzsudoki
For ME the best way not to be scammed is:
1) Don't buy from Escrow
4) Fly a big ship with big weapons and know how to use it
5) Keep at least 1 billion isk in the bank
Lmao...
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Heikki
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Posted - 2006.04.07 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Macro Media
In my case, its not the rewards, its the feeling of compleatly outsmarting people.
Are you sure it is not the attention you are seeking?
If you indeed have done some remarkable scam, or brilliant serie of smaller ones, please share the tale with us so it can be become part of mythical Evelore.
But as long as you can only vaguely hint about your masterful operations, should bide your time and stay quiet.
There isn't that much to gain with repeated boasts, unless scammer-lessons-for-pay requires spam ads instead of mouth-to-mouth advertising.
-Lasse
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Tetrothide
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Posted - 2006.04.08 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
Quote:
Ironically, people who dwell in scams have usually been scammed theirself at some point in their life.
Ironically people who use pencils have usually been penciled at some point in their life.
My mark has been made ;-0
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Fanden
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Posted - 2006.04.08 11:37:00 -
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Anyone thinkin' scammers are tha scum o'tha universe in a game context are correct, anyone thinkin' scammin fake money in'a game is morally reprehensible should eat a jar of chill pills, sit down and re-evaluate their life situation.
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.04.08 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Usul Faust on 08/04/2006 11:38:43
Originally by: Malka Badi'a
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Ironically, people who dwell in scams have usually been scammed theirself at some point in their life.
Ironically people who use pencils have usually been penciled at some point in their life.
So what you're saying is, Mike Tyson's been fisted at some point?
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.04.08 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Usul Faust
Edited by: Usul Faust on 08/04/2006 11:38:43
Originally by: Malka Badi'a
Quote:
Ironically, people who dwell in scams have usually been scammed theirself at some point in their life.
Ironically people who use pencils have usually been penciled at some point in their life.
So what you're saying is, Mike Tyson's been fisted at some point?
It would explain his girlish voice, and he WAS in prison for a few years...
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined.
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Greenbolt
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Posted - 2006.04.14 16:19:00 -
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I dont have a major issue with people doing scams with main chars and such. If people fall for it more power to them (although its kinda silly to scam true noobs (less than a month old) just because you want them to stay n the game and get better ...)
on the other hand alt scamming and trial char scamming is kinda wrong.
I think they should limit a computer to one Trial account per year (could be done with registration) and with exceptions made only via petitions.
and that alts should take a month to delete or longer so that people dont recycle alts on a weekly basis.
alt scamming and trial scamming is lame.
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Drunk Driver
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Posted - 2006.04.14 16:39:00 -
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I don't care about scammers. They don't affect me.
However beer does.
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Rikkard Strofeldt
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Posted - 2006.04.14 16:54:00 -
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I don't have a problem with it, as long as people have the dangly bits to do it with their main. Oh, and they don't ***** and moan when the people they scammed come after them with very big guns.
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Gindar
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Posted - 2006.04.14 18:06:00 -
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i think the most amusing possible thing is scamming the scammers. some of them are pretty young and stupid and got the idea from their friends on msn all age 14 they just want the isk so... use your brains and beat them at their own game
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