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Iseballa Orti School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:30:00 - [1] - Quote Hey guys, I just started playing, and I have a venture with two Cu Vapor laser miners and two drones on it. The CPU and Power Grid are maxed out, and I have no way of defending myself so I'm pretty much stuck in high spec space. Does anyone have any suggestions on a ship I could upgrade to that's a little cheaper than the 29 million ISK mining barge. Thanks for the help.
Billy McCandless The McCandless Clan Turing Tested 275	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:32:00 - [2] - Quote Iseballa Orti wrote: Hey guys, I just started playing, and I have a venture with two Cu Vapor laser miners and two drones on it. The CPU and Power Grid are maxed out, and I have no way of defending myself so I'm pretty much stuck in high spec space. Does anyone have any suggestions on a ship I could upgrade to that's a little cheaper than the 29 million ISK mining barge. Thanks for the help. Arbitrator gives yoo boners to Drowne Minging Yeelds
Loraine Gess Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists 76	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:41:00 - [3] - Quote Any other frigate and do something other than mining now that you've discovered how personally economically worthless mining is
Iseballa Orti School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:47:00 - [4] - Quote what do you suggest? I am able to make about 500-700k ISK in about 10 minutes by mining.
Billy McCandless The McCandless Clan Turing Tested 275	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:49:00 - [5] - Quote Iseballa Orti wrote: what do you suggest? I am able to make about 500-700k ISK in about 10 minutes by mining. Really Arbitrator Cheque teh stats Is only minging crooser left
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 233	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:51:00 - [6] - Quote Iseballa Orti wrote: what do you suggest? I am able to make about 500-700k ISK in about 10 minutes by mining. I suggest buy a GTC from CCP and sell the resulting PLEX on the market. Jump in some cheap T1 frigates and go have fun shooting stuff other than rocks. Shooting rocks is the most boring pastime there is in gaming. If you can't afford a GTC, figure out how to scam for ISK. That'll get you much higher return rates than your current income.
Iseballa Orti School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:57:00 - [7] - Quote Billy McCandless wrote: Iseballa Orti wrote: what do you suggest? I am able to make about 500-700k ISK in about 10 minutes by mining. Really Arbitrator Cheque teh stats Is only minging crooser left Arbitrator only has a cargo hold of 345 m3, mine right now has 5000m3
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 2386	Posted - 2014.02.10 02:09:00 - [8] - Quote If you're dead set on mining, then your next step is a Mining Barge. But I recommend against mining, to be perfectly honest. As a profession, it's fairly toxic to new players since it's boring and low profile. Even missioning is better. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Iseballa Orti School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.02.10 02:13:00 - [9] - Quote I can see mining getting old, what kind of profession would you reccomend?
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 1058	Posted - 2014.02.10 02:19:00 - [10] - Quote Iseballa Orti wrote: I can see mining getting old, what kind of profession would you reccomend? Start here. "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon www.eve-radio.com -áJoin Eve Radio channel in game!
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 2386	Posted - 2014.02.10 02:19:00 - [11] - Quote Iseballa Orti wrote: I can see mining getting old, what kind of profession would you reccomend? To be honest, killing people. Or NPC pirates, if your tastes don't run toward killing other players. You might also consider giving Red vs Blue, or Brave Newbies, or EVE University a try. Those are all well known newbie friendly corps that will teach you how to PvP and have fun doing it. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Felicity Love Whore and Peace Forsaken Asylum 1514	Posted - 2014.02.10 02:46:00 - [12] - Quote Iseballa Orti wrote: Hey guys, I just started playing, and I have a venture with two Cu Vapor laser miners and two drones on it. The CPU and Power Grid are maxed out, and I have no way of defending myself so I'm pretty much stuck in high spec space. Does anyone have any suggestions on a ship I could upgrade to that's a little cheaper than the 29 million ISK mining barge. Thanks for the help. Use your ISIS Ship Chart to follow the flow chart to various ships with mining bonuses. Choose by faction/race, and go for it. Or get into a player mining Corp... and make sure they can offer you some free ships to start. Any mining corp worth it's crystals has free ships for new members. Don't **** your time away with Corps that can't help you get on the fast track straight off. ... and I was just saying the other day, "Damn, I miss Soundwave"....
Billy McCandless The McCandless Clan Turing Tested 275	Posted - 2014.02.10 02:56:00 - [13] - Quote Iseballa Orti wrote: Billy McCandless wrote: Iseballa Orti wrote: what do you suggest? I am able to make about 500-700k ISK in about 10 minutes by mining. Really Arbitrator Cheque teh stats Is only minging crooser left Arbitrator only has a cargo hold of 345 m3, mine right now has 5000m3 Then go fore procurer dey is onny 10m
Waltaratzor Emolgranlan Mining Enforcement Agency 1	Posted - 2014.02.10 06:04:00 - [14] - Quote Iseballa Orti wrote: what do you suggest? I am able to make about 500-700k ISK in about 10 minutes by mining. Faction warfare will make you 40 million isk an hour.
Erotica 1 Krypteia Operations CODE. 3521	Posted - 2014.02.10 06:10:00 - [15] - Quote I suggest buying your mining permit before any other mining equipment. www.minerbumping.com See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
WASPY69 Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 152	Posted - 2014.02.10 06:47:00 - [16] - Quote Erotica 1 wrote: I suggest buying your mining permit before any other mining equipment. www.minerbumping.com This ^ Also, as others have said, try something other than mining. We're not saying mining is a bad thing for new players, it's just that New Eden has sooo much more fun gameplay to offer other than staring at roids all day. Try some missioning (Start with level 1 security missions) to get used to shooting things. Then move on to level 2 security missions. Join a pvp oriented corp and get someone who isn't a complete pubbie to set you up with a decent skill plan. Next step is joining them in pvp roams in a cheap T1 frigate and have all the fun! You will 'splode.. a LOT... But you will learn to lose ships and learn the game mechanics. Good luck!
Alastair Ormand Badger Badger Badger Apocalypse Now. 28	Posted - 2014.02.10 07:22:00 - [17] - Quote Erotica 1 wrote: I suggest buying your mining permit before any other mining equipment. www.minerbumping.com You're going to do this to a new player? Give him/her a chance to establish themselves first.
Muestereate Minions LLC 167	Posted - 2014.02.10 07:45:00 - [18] - Quote Just save up, get that retriever. I don't think there's a better investment. 30 milk to make 10 or 13 mill am hour? You'd have to buy two or three mission spa to get there. You don't have to buy gtcs to play this game unless you go Pvp. If you have a lot of money, there's a lot of people that will appreciate you donating it to them in the form of blown up ships. Run some of the tutorials. Train some fitting and gingery skills up to three. There's some nice state isk to be made of you sell the stuff that you don't need. Run the sister of eve epic arc At the end of the tutorials. You might lose a couple frigates but it will be fun. Once you train the retriever you always have a quick way to make money for frigates cruisers for Pvp. Cruisers are great cheap fun build a couple the the week, blow Em up on the weekends. Then join a Corp, try for a fairly large one and start doing what the others guys said and have some fun. Mining is work but it butters the bread for new guys pretty fast.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 8970	Posted - 2014.02.10 07:47:00 - [19] - Quote Alastair Ormand wrote: Erotica 1 wrote: I suggest buying your mining permit before any other mining equipment. www.minerbumping.com You're going to do this to a new player? Give him/her a chance to establish themselves first. He'd be shooting them as soon as they undock for the first time if it weren't a bannable offense. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
Ptraci 3 R Corporation Boarderline Cartel 1756	Posted - 2014.02.10 07:58:00 - [20] - Quote Iseballa Orti wrote: Hey guys, I just started playing, and I have a venture with two Cu Vapor laser miners and two drones on it. The CPU and Power Grid are maxed out, and I have no way of defending myself so I'm pretty much stuck in high spec space. Does anyone have any suggestions on a ship I could upgrade to that's a little cheaper than the 29 million ISK mining barge. Thanks for the help. Yeah, a thorax.
Alastair Ormand Badger Badger Badger Apocalypse Now. 29	Posted - 2014.02.10 08:05:00 - [21] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Alastair Ormand wrote: Erotica 1 wrote: I suggest buying your mining permit before any other mining equipment. www.minerbumping.com You're going to do this to a new player? Give him/her a chance to establish themselves first. He'd be shooting them as soon as they undock for the first time if it weren't a bannable offense. And thank god it is.
Weylin Ormand Mining Bay inc Beacon Light Alliance 82	Posted - 2014.02.10 08:05:00 - [22] - Quote Alastair Ormand wrote: Erotica 1 wrote: I suggest buying your mining permit before any other mining equipment. www.minerbumping.com You're going to do this to a new player? Give him/her a chance to establish themselves first. Why I went to nullsec to mine.
Shiloh Templeton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 93	Posted - 2014.02.10 13:41:00 - [23] - Quote Iseballa Orti wrote: I have no way of defending myself so I'm pretty much stuck in high spec space. Pretty much no mining ship has the ability to defend itself, except against high sec rats. The Procurer and Skiff can survive long enough for Concord to defend you. The Venture is the best ship for low sec because of the warp core stabilizer bonus. For the most part mining isn't better in low sec. But if you already think mining is kind of boring, you're probably better off moving towards PvE missions. You'll be working on skills that lead to PvP and it has a lot more isk earning potential. The advantage of mining is you can do it while you do something else, like read about Eve in another window, computer work, studying or Netflix. Just don't go away from the keyboard and eat lunch -- or you might get a visit from the people trying to sell you a permit.
Debra Scully Imperial Phoenix Legion 6	Posted - 2014.02.10 14:13:00 - [24] - Quote Are you using mining drones with your Venture? You should have light combat drones (most people use Hobgoblin I's). Even two Hobgoblin I's should be able to kill high sec NPC pirates. If you insist on mining instead of mission running for your PvE ISK making, I would recommend a Procurer for your first upgrade. They are generally much cheaper than Retrievers, and have a crazy amount of EHP. No highsec NPC belt pirates will be a threat, and generally even player pirates will leave you alone unless you **** them off, unlike being in a Retriever, which is a gank magnet. The downside is it only has a 12k ore hold instead of the Retriever's base hold of 22k, so that means more trips to station to unload.
Erotica 1 Krypteia Operations CODE. 3553	Posted - 2014.02.10 14:21:00 - [25] - Quote He will have much more fun and more likely stay subscribed if he is encouraged to avoid this silly mining thing. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Roux Michon 22	Posted - 2014.02.10 14:52:00 - [26] - Quote As someone who enjoys Mining, I really enjoy the Venture ship. You can move on to a Hulk, or even into Mining Ops with an Orca if you wish. The mining 'hole' is very deep. I still do all my solo mining in a venture. You do need to 'venture' out a bit, as others have said, but don't let them get you down on mining. EVE is beautiful, and mining is peaceful. Not everyone is as blood thirsty as it seems on the boards. If you haven't done anything but mining, work on missioning and some other frigate skills, pick one you like to look at. Use the new ISIS system to plan your skills to level 5 mastery of the Venture, if you enjoy the ship as much as I do. :) I hope they make a cruiser version of the Venture soon. If you enjoy the quiet life, mining, covert ops and exploration are the way to go and all they pair well together. Ships you should take a look at for the long term: Hulk Orca Heron (Or similar scanner/exploration ship) Manticore (Or similar Stealth Bomber) Not everything is about min/maxing and making the most amount of ISK possible or killing the most people possible. Do what you enjoy. But also, don't be afraid to broaden your horizons a bit.
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 274	Posted - 2014.02.10 15:34:00 - [27] - Quote If you really must mine a tanked Procurer is the least likely to get ganked in high sec as it is not really worth ganking and returns almost nothing in modules and not that much in ore either. PPL will still gank them out of boredom though. Best suggestion for mining though is don't. It's only really viable for people whose real life commitments like kids and work force them to play semi-afk. As far as mining permits go people stupid enough to buy them deserve to be slapped around for idiocy. It's about time people started ganking any miners WITH permits to discourage the practice.
Hal Morsh The Witch's Hammer 7	Posted - 2014.02.10 16:25:00 - [28] - Quote Hasikan Miallok wrote: If you really must mine a tanked Procurer is the least likely to get ganked in high sec as it is not really worth ganking and returns almost nothing in modules and not that much in ore either. PPL will still gank them out of boredom though. Best suggestion for mining though is don't. It's only really viable for people whose real life commitments like kids and work force them to play semi-afk. As far as mining permits go people stupid enough to buy them deserve to be slapped around for idiocy. It's about time people started ganking any miners WITH permits to discourage the practice. They get ganked regardless, if they have thrown money at that non existent "permit" they become even more of a target, and will get random crap about a silly rule they broke spewed at them. Like "unproperly tanked shuttle"
Billy McCandless The McCandless Clan Turing Tested 279	Posted - 2014.02.10 16:55:00 - [29] - Quote Alastair Ormand wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: Alastair Ormand wrote: Erotica 1 wrote: I suggest buying your mining permit before any other mining equipment. www.minerbumping.com You're going to do this to a new player? Give him/her a chance to establish themselves first. He'd be shooting them as soon as they undock for the first time if it weren't a bannable offense. And thank god it is. why?
Malcolm Shinhwa Bad Touches 1145	Posted - 2014.02.10 18:26:00 - [30] - Quote Alastair Ormand wrote: Erotica 1 wrote: I suggest buying your mining permit before any other mining equipment. www.minerbumping.com You're going to do this to a new player? Give him/her a chance to establish themselves first. This isn't the New Player forum, so he can actually get some good advise here. If you're going to fly a barge other than a tanked procurer, then you should consider buying a New Order permit. We're not the only gankers in Hisec, but we are the most prolific. So a permit isn't a bad recommendation at all. Our rates are reasonable after all. OP, no mining equipment you buy will sufficiently protect you solo outside of hisec. In other words, solo mining is only viable in hisec no matter what you are flying. In hisec you have to survive 25 seconds or so while the space police come to smite your attackers. Everywhere else, there are no space police. Your attackers have unlimited time to kill your mining equipment. No matter what you pack in it, they will eventually kill you. For mining outside of hisec you need friends. I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose.

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