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Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.10 14:49:00 -
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So, I was planning on scanning down some mission runners using MTU's to go ,err, 'play' with them a bit.
Figured it shouldn't be that hard so I made a probing filter that only has the MTU box ticked. But every time I run a scan the results get polluted with tons of other mobile structures, mostly POS modules. It wouldn't be much of a problem if there were only a few but in your average hi sec system there are hundreds.
I take it this is by design and not some sort of bug. My question now is: how to scan down MTU's quickly? |

StonerPhReaK
Ashfell Celestial Equilibrium POD-SQUAD
131
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Posted - 2014.02.10 15:08:00 -
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Im having the same issue. Signature Removal in Progress, Estimated time of completion? Neva |

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
488
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Posted - 2014.02.10 15:24:00 -
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I would just pick a high density carebear missioning system (i.e. Apanake) and probe down battlecruisers and battleships. Drop by and start stealing their loots, blapping a loot piniata MTU if one is present. But don't get fixated on the MTU or probing down MTU's, just get in there and steal/salvage. (See 'Mission flipping' in this). Would you like to know more? |

Paloshen Kador
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.02.10 15:24:00 -
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Common sense is your friend.
Scan down all the POS modules first, then you know what's the MTUs or Depots  |

Sniper Wolf18
Aggressive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2014.02.10 15:28:00 -
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I believe the filters only work once you've got the item that you're scanning up to 25%, which is when it tells you what type of structure it is, filtering other structures out before this would lead to misuse of the filers as there are filters for certain types of ships, meaning you wouldn't have to narrow your scans down with D-scan first if you were looking for one person's ship in particular.
If you don't want to get false positives avoid placing your probes around planets, stations or moons and use D-scan to find the approximate location of what you're probing and place your probes there. Oh, if you want to make sure that MTU you're probing isn't sitting abandoned in space, switch your filters to ships at the 4AU point, if the MTU belongs to a ship larger than a cruiser, you'll probably be able to get that ship to 100% before the MTU. |

Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2014.02.10 15:35:00 -
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Sniper Wolf18 wrote:I believe the filters only work once you've got the item that you're scanning up to 25%, which is when it tells you what type of structure it is, filtering other structures out before this would lead to misuse of the filers as there are filters for certain types of ships, meaning you wouldn't have to narrow your scans down with D-scan first if you were looking for one person's ship in particular. . I figured something like this was the case, thanks for the tips! |

trumpet7347
EveryoneVersusEveryone.com The Pursuit of Happiness
7
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Posted - 2014.02.10 20:19:00 -
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If you are in a 0.7 system or below, you are best off scanning all the planets real quick with a .5 au scan, this will pick up all the POSs in the system, and will clear all that crap out of your results. After that, I always just scan for structures. The issue with just scanning with a filter for just MTUs is that as soon as you scan something to the point where its discernible what type of structure it is, it will disappear from you the scan results, which means you cant click it to ignore it. If I scan something down, and its not what Im looking for, I just ignore it and increase my probe scan and try again. With this method I have been able to get all the MTUs in Osmon fairly quickly. Hope this helps, now go "play" with some mission bears! |

Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1645
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Posted - 2014.02.10 20:24:00 -
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filters offer a lot less functionality than they would suggest. They also lead to sigs disappearing due to the filter kicking in once they're identified.
I only ever apply filters by sig type: drone/structure/ship/signature "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |

Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2018
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Posted - 2014.02.11 00:40:00 -
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If you intend to scan down then blap MTUs in the aim of making bears shoot you (or just for the killmails on the MTUs), I recommend you pick a 0.9 mission system like Dodixie (which has several >0.7 systems around it that missions send you to, Vylade, Meves, Arg-something, Eglennaert, etc).
Every time you scan one down, warp to it, shoot it up, then post the killmail in local with a comment like "I accidentally the tractor, is that bad?" Someone will shoot you eventually.
I recommend using an Arazu if you are skilled into it. It attacks mission bears in ways they really aren't capable of dealing with. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318489 - Proposal for a new type of tech 2 Destroyer If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

Sniper Wolf18
Aggressive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:23:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote: I recommend using an Arazu if you are skilled into it. It attacks mission bears in ways they really aren't capable of dealing with.
Really? I'd have figured the arazu would be almost completely useless at killing mission bears, although you may be using it in a way that's vastly different to the way I'd use one. ECM drones + scan res scripts would be the only way I could see it sort of working, though the DPS on an arazu is so anemic that it probably couldn't break their tank. I suppose a long-range short-point would be good for shutting down MJDs though a proteus may be better suited to that. Out of all the recons I'd assume a pilgrim/curse would do best against most missioners (except maybe passive drakes) as missioners are almost exclusively active tanked. If you could give me an idea as to how one would use an arazu against mission bears I'd really appreciate it. |
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
323
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:37:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I recommend using an Arazu if you are skilled into it. It attacks mission bears in ways they really aren't capable of dealing with. Really? I'm curious how you envision an Arazu killing an MTU in a timely fashion before the missioner slowboats on over and picks it up. Especially if the Arazu is fitting RSDs and set for kiting. Cuz if you are going blaster/gank then you might as well go with a different ship since the only real advantage you have is the CovOps cloak. And the cloak frankly isn't that valuable in hi-sec since you still need people to shoot you before you can shoot them. Sure the Arazu will work fantastic if they just shoot you instead of scooping. But in my experience the first instinct of the missioner is to scoop, and only agress once enraged by MTU loss. Perhaps I am just unlucky and regularly encounter a more cautious brand of missioner?
EDIT - LOL Jinxed by Sniper Wolf! |

Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
81
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Posted - 2014.02.11 02:47:00 -
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Scan in a system not named Osmon |

Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2020
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Posted - 2014.02.11 03:20:00 -
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Vladimir Norkoff wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I recommend using an Arazu if you are skilled into it. It attacks mission bears in ways they really aren't capable of dealing with. Really? I'm curious how you envision an Arazu killing an MTU in a timely fashion before the missioner slowboats on over and picks it up. Especially if the Arazu is fitting RSDs and set for kiting. Cuz if you are going blaster/gank then you might as well go with a different ship since the only real advantage you have is the CovOps cloak. And the cloak frankly isn't that valuable in hi-sec since you still need people to shoot you before you can shoot them. Sure the Arazu will work fantastic if they just shoot you instead of scooping. But in my experience the first instinct of the missioner is to scoop, and only agress once enraged by MTU loss. Perhaps I am just unlucky and regularly encounter a more cautious brand of missioner? EDIT - LOL Jinxed by Sniper Wolf!
Oh I'm talking about for missioners that actually shoot you (particularly repeat customers). An Arazu can point them and RSD them to no lock range forever, then you shoot their drones, and then have a long, polite discussion about ransom payment options.
Who cares if they can tank you forever? You can just assemble a gank fleet, and they only have 15 min to get help before their allies can't shoot you. Kite them, and use the time to set all of your market orders for the region.
There are counters to this (having an Orca alt bring a warp core stabilizer, or trying to get a Mobile Depot down for the same refit, or having a friend/alt suicide jam/suicide Celestis damp you) but most mission bears do not think of them.
If you don't expect the bear to bite then yeah, something with more teeth is better. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318489 - Proposal for a new type of tech 2 Destroyer If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |

Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
843
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Posted - 2014.02.11 12:30:00 -
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I second Feyd. Scan for the mission bears in their BCs and BSs, not for the MTU. A little dscan practice will help you figure out where to drop the probes, and unless you are probing a busy station undock, your sigs shouldn't get so easily lost in the clutter. On dscan, look for wrecks accompanied by a BS and/or MTU. Also look at drones. BS + T1 drones = win.
As for kill ships, you need to balance being actually able to kill the mission runner and tank room aggro with looking pathetic enough that they won't be afraid to shoot you. T1 cruisers with logi support seem like a good way to go. everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com |

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
494
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Posted - 2014.02.11 15:35:00 -
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Getting aggro from a twitchy carebear is a challenge to say the least, so 9 out of 10 mission-flipping professionals surveyed choose assault frigates as the perfect sweet spot for not being 'scary', and still able to take down a battleship while also tanking rats.
The bear is cunning, but he has one major weakness -- he tends to fit weapon systems that are offset by an AB fit assault frigate and its small signature radius.
in fact, there is some evidence that pirates in empire are able to get under a bears gauss, rails and heavy blasters completely and take no damage at all while leisurely orbiting at 500m (once drones are primed and taken off field). Even torpedoes with their large explosion radius's are shrugged off.
There have even been reports of said assault frigs getting under the guns of well-equipped pwnboats.
I cannot confirm this. I...was never here.
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Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2014.02.11 16:11:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Getting aggro from a twitchy carebear is a challenge to say the least, so 9 out of 10 mission-flipping professionals surveyed choose assault frigates as the perfect sweet spot for not being 'scary', and still able to take down a battleship while also tanking rats. The bear is cunning, but he has one major weakness -- he tends to fit weapon systems that are offset by an AB fit assault frigate and its small signature radius. in fact, there is some evidence that pirates in empire are able to get under a bears gauss, rails and heavy blasters completely and take no damage at all while leisurely orbiting at 500m (once drones are primed and taken off field). Even torpedoes with their large explosion radius's are shrugged off. There have even been reports of said assault frigs getting under the guns of well-equipped pwnboats. I cannot confirm this. I...was never here. F Ah, you're THAT Feyd! Thank you good sir, an assault frigate is just what I had planned and coincidently, it's going to be an Ishkur too.
So, anyone got any good advice on an off grid boosting ship/fit? Preferably Caldari as I don't have the training time to spare to train up anything else for the foreseeable future. |

Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
1253
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Posted - 2014.02.11 18:18:00 -
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Meilandra Vanderganken wrote: ...an assault frigate is just what I had planned and coincidently, it's going to be an Ishkur too.
I've seen Ishkurs shrug off bombs, too - Lost the drones, but got way with structure intact.
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
494
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Posted - 2014.02.11 18:25:00 -
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Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:
... Ah, you're THAT Feyd! Thank you good sir, an assault frigate is just what I had planned and coincidently, it's going to be an Ishkur too.
So, anyone got any good advice on an off grid boosting ship/fit? Preferably Caldari as I don't have the training time to spare to train up anything else for the foreseeable future.
You may find this helpful, combining scouting/probing/boosting in one svelt package.
Aspirant pirates and asshats are always welcome to review all the golden nuggets buried within said blog.
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
494
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Posted - 2014.02.11 18:30:00 -
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Plastic Psycho wrote:Meilandra Vanderganken wrote: ...an assault frigate is just what I had planned and coincidently, it's going to be an Ishkur too.
I've seen Ishkurs shrug off bombs, too - Lost the drones, but got way with structure intact. Indeed, bear bomb use in hisec can lead to hilarious results. Would you like to know more? |

Tear Jar
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2014.02.13 03:30:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:If you intend to scan down then blap MTUs in the aim of making bears shoot you (or just for the killmails on the MTUs), I recommend you pick a 0.9 mission system like Dodixie (which has several >0.7 systems around it that missions send you to, Vylade, Meves, Arg-something, Eglennaert, etc).
Every time you scan one down, warp to it, shoot it up, then post the killmail in local with a comment like "I accidentally the tractor, is that bad?" Someone will shoot you eventually.
I recommend using an Arazu if you are skilled into it. It attacks mission bears in ways they really aren't capable of dealing with.
How would you fit the Arazu? |
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