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Dyner
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Posted - 2011.11.10 10:25:00 -
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The answer is Yes and No
Yes, scamming prevents the game from reaching it's Player Base potential. Kiddies don't like losing
No, it doesn't. In fact it helps it. Because after 19, you kind of want to beat the **** outta those kiddies and take their lunch money then hang them up by their underwear on the basketball hoop |
Dyner
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Posted - 2011.11.10 10:45:00 -
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Masamune Dekoro wrote:Eve has always and will always cater to a niche playerbase; changing it to appeal to a larger group of players would involve changing many more fundamental mechanics than just scamming or hi-sec ganking.
Also, if there were a million subscribers, i'd hardly expect the game to be run on a single shard anymore; which personally is one of the greatest things Eve has going for it.
It would, but it'd be like STO or AoC; instanced...with maybe 1k per instance, but a Global Chat......oh what fun that would be....
"which instance are you in again?" |
Dyner
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Posted - 2011.11.10 11:02:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Scamming is a part of our real world. Eve tries to emulate that as much as possible. Start censoring or removing life aspects from Eve and you will end-up with a thinly diluted Sims in space. It will stagnate and die.
If CCP stays the present course and the future brings all their promises to fruitition, there is no reason why Eve cannot evolve and keep doing so. In doing so, it will attract more and more players.
The long-term effect of CCP bringing Dust the the PS network is that those Dust players will more than likely and invariably, try-out Eve and end-up playing here as well. It's win-win.
I do think however that the Eve adverts should "warn" about the realities of life which happen ingame. That, in my opinion, will attract more players as well. Being forewarned, excuses of "I was scammed, I want my money back" will be greatly minimised.
Actually, in the real world many places have laws against scamming. This is where the concept of "game must be fair" comes from.
[ rant ]
Also, about the DUST...**** Dust and **** CCP for being stupid; I wanted to play DUST along with EVE. Put a long-queue skill up and jump planetside (pun unintended) to pass the time. [ /rant ]
All the trailers I've watched, pretty much all of them, EVE isn't portrayed in any light other than Hostile.
Honestly, a great way to fix the issue is simple.
A test. At character creation.
"Are you allowed to scam players using in-game methods?"
If you answer "No" you are forbidden from:
a) making a character for 14days
b) using same email to make another account (see 'a' for time limit)
c) coming on the forums to complain you got scammed (actionable by a 3 day account suspension) |
Dyner
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Posted - 2011.11.11 01:24:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Dyner wrote:The answer is Yes and No
Yes, scamming prevents the game from reaching it's Player Base potential. no cause really BIG scams BRING ppl into the game.
Doesn't bring in as many as it deters.
BTW: I play this game because I don't like hand-holding. I don't like being 'safe'.
AND I DON'T LIKE WHINY BRATS COMING IN THE GAME GOING "WAAAAH, IT'S TO HARD!" |
Dyner
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Posted - 2011.11.11 02:00:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Diosas wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Dyner wrote:The answer is Yes and No
Yes, scamming prevents the game from reaching it's Player Base potential. no cause really BIG scams BRING ppl into the game. is there evidence of this? or just assumptions? lol youre trolling right? http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/08/12/biggest-eve-online-scam-ever-recorded-nets-over-a-trillion-isk/cause things like that, or knowing you CAN, you have the FREEDOM to do things like that in a game is a DRAW not a negative. Might as well ask the same question for espionage.
It draws some, but not as many as being carebear [ see WoW ].
Quality > Quantity
EVE-style > WoW-style
I just hope CCP doesn't decide to change. Not a whole lotta games out there that allow you to **** with people. |
Dyner
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Posted - 2011.11.11 02:37:00 -
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Maxpie wrote:Back in the day reputation meant something. Scamming was an interesting aspect of the game. Now, with the proliferation of alts you have every Tom, **** and Harry endlessly doing the same tired old scams. It's not surprising that the game looks like a worthless cesspool to many prospective new players. Make no mistake about it, that is Eve's reputation. I try to explain that there's so much more to the game, but new players just see the garbage and decide the game isn't their cup of tea.
Can only scam the willing. |
Dyner
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Posted - 2011.11.11 06:21:00 -
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Elise DarkStar wrote:Shawn Pierce wrote:No, it's the general trend of where the real world is going, at least in the US... I do agree. So are you suggesting that the nature of Eve is still bold and obvious, and these people are just willfully ignorant? My suggestion is that perhaps CCP is failing to inform people that they are in fact playing chess when they think they are playing checkers. Edit: I should add that I make a significant effort to not just fall back on "people are stupid", often to the point of a fault. That very well could be the answer and I am once again in denial.
Never heard of "Dumbing Down of America"? Pretty sure it's also happening in other countries. Add to that, that everyone born that currently holds the age of at least 13 has been brought up to believe they are special and unique; worse IMPORTANT.
So, when someone comes along and dupes you, you end up feeling very....stupid. And immediately fall back on your 'real world' teaching that states "if you are shown to be stupid; use the law". Sadly, there is no law about scamming in EVE (yet). Therefore, you are left with just being stupid.
Attention those who are scammed:
YOU ARE AN IDIOT. PERIOD.
Now, get the **** off my lawn. |
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