Hello space friends;

I would like to visit your space and witness the Great Golden Fleet; however, I have been told that I am "KOS" in the region, and that I am not welcome. Having heard nothing but positive things with regards to the fidelity and hospitality of the Providence Holders and their associates, I would like to believe that I have been misinformed. And so it is with all due humility and reverence that I request correspondence on this matter, such that I may secure pilgrimage for myself and some compatriots.

I eagerly await the response of the Holders.

Amarr Victor.

You wont be allowed in. Only a fool would trust a Goon. A CFC alliance or corp is a permanent cancer on your enployment history. Only a CFC alliance will accept you in their space

The only way you'll visit Amarrian space is if you turn yourself in.

Drat. I really wanted to go sight-seeing too...

You wont be allowed in. Only a fool would trust a Goon. A CFC alliance or corp is a permanent cancer on your enployment history. Only a CFC alliance will accept you in their space

The only way you'll visit Amarrian space is if you turn yourself in.

The irony here is just...wow.

Do explain, please.

It isn't YC 107/108 any more. That corporation you're in? It's on that same list that you're so quick to put the CFC on. Has been for the past 5 or 6 years.

Not really. There's more to EDF's history than their stint with Goonswarm.

Goonswarm were originally underdogs trying to survive against the might of Band of Brothers. This was when they were the heroes, and when we joined. Then they became tyrants who seek to control all of Null and heavily influence low and high. This is when they became the villains and when they betrayed us.

The musings of various non-Holders aside, I patiently await acknowledgment.

If my understanding of CVA policy is correct, they don't conduct diplomacy in public.

Your best bet would be to contact one of diplomats.

I have approached CVA privately and I am assured that so long as I am in Goonwaffe that I will not be invited peacefully to Providence.

The situation is very different. My corporation was betrayed by Goonswarm you see. Thats how filthy these people are.

A CFC alliance or corp is a permanent cancer on your enployment history...

Well, I believe you best said it yourself:



By your own words, due to your CFC involvement, you are permanently tainted. Asking for swift destruction of everything barely related to CFC and acting as a penitent regarding the same don't really work hand-in-hand, mr. Fred.

Well, I believe you best said it yourself:



By your own words, due to your CFC involvement, you are permanently tainted. Asking for swift destruction of everything barely related to CFC and acting as a penitent regarding the same don't really work hand-in-hand, mr. Fred.

Sometimes I wonder if Freddy even listens to the words that come out of his mouth. This is why I don't use boosters anymore.

I never said it wasn't a cancer for us. The reason why we had trouble finding another alliance to join after we were screwed over was because we had Goonswarm taint on us. Nobody would take us because of that horrid tumor. I think we can speak for ourselves how nobody wants a former goon, we experienced it first hand.

A wise man took pity on us and we were able to prove ourselves again. This was our chemo. This cured us. We seak to administer this cure to the rest of null, by force if necessary.

Anyone other self proclaimed experts on a co



Now, now. Go run back to your corner of insignificance please. You can pretend you are important there.

Um, Fred, I don't want to be an alarmist, but you're starting to sound like Daina Kim.

Successful insurgency evolves naturally into status quo. The bees behave in accordance with political history, and the circle must complete (or, in this case, the toroid).

So Goonswarm did not truly defeat Band of Brothers - they merely took their place. And if anyone ever defeated Goonswarm, then that group would quickly become the new villains of New Eden. The Goonswarm are merely the actors of the moment in a role that is eternal.

This is sad but true. Throughout history, in every society, there have been the high, middle and low. The goal of the high are to remain where they are. The goal of the middle is replace the high. The goal of the low, when they bother to have one, has been abolish all classes. But every now and then the middle manages to trick the low into being the muscle in a revolution against the high by promising them whatever they want to hear. Once it is all over, the middle become the new high, the high get knocked down to the middle, and the low quickly get shoved right back into the same unpleasant position as before.

So Goonswarm did not truly defeat Band of Brothers - they merely took their place. And if anyone ever defeated Goonswarm, then that group would quickly become the new villains of New Eden. The Goonswarm are merely the actors of the moment in a role that is eternal.

I will give the Goons credit where it is due, the cluster could not have asked for a better villain. No single entity in the galaxy can be both hated by everyone, yet admired by everyone all the same.

They still have to go though, don't get me wrong.

However, a major power rarely falls and disappears. It usually splits off into many different factions. The CFC is a coalition, made up of alliances, made up of corporations, made up of capsuleers. Whether they win or lose, there is no way that so many diverse groups of people with differing interest can exist without a hitch. Look at what happened to the Federation. The Caldari split off and we lost roughly a third of our country as a result.

One screw up, and it's all over for the Goons. Mathematically, philosophically, and what ever "ly" you can think of, gaurantees it will happen eventually. And when it does, I and many others will relish that day.

Additionally, everyone likes to back up the underdogs. Watching someone who always wins is boring. The side that has to struggle and fight against all odds makes for the better story. The Goons will never truly win because there will always be resistance, if only for the sake of resisting.

Greetings everyone, I must say that I've enjoyed the discussion about the goons and the future of the space they put their pods in. I find it most insightful and intriguing, no matter how +ªtheric the nature of the future.
I must admit that, as time passes, the division of classes, into lower, middle and high, fades from my vision into one plane of existance. Though I see how such a structure makes for a resilient and more manageable and focused chain of command.
In the end capsuleers prosper, and capsuleers piloting together prosper together. And everything has it's season, every planet and every region as every corporation and alliance.
Granted they vary in span of time, they all exist in the same span of time.

Now as for piloting in Providence, even if you are not on the CVA KOS list, there are other entities piloting there and though many of them operate under NRDS policies, some of them can be quick to cry spy in local and set you red. Leaving little room for neutrals, cause spies be witches and witches be burned after a witch hunt.

It is outside of Concord's safe embrace, treat it as such.

I will give the Goons credit where it is due, the cluster could not have asked for a better villain. No single entity in the galaxy can be both hated by everyone, yet admired by everyone all the same.

They still have to go though, don't get me wrong.

However, a major power rarely falls and disappears. It usually splits off into many different factions. The CFC is a coalition, made up of alliances, made up of corporations, made up of capsuleers. Whether they win or lose, there is no way that so many diverse groups of people with differing interest can exist without a hitch. Look at what happened to the Federation. The Caldari split off and we lost roughly a third of our country as a result.

One screw up, and it's all over for the Goons. Mathematically, philosophically, and what ever "ly" you can think of, gaurantees it will happen eventually. And when it does, I and many others will relish that day.

Additionally, everyone likes to back up the underdogs. Watching someone who always wins is boring. The side that has to struggle and fight against all odds makes for the better story. The Goons will never truly win because there will always be resistance, if only for the sake of resisting.

They rose, clashed against their great foe, stood victorious, and grew bulbous from their spoils.

And keep in mind the history of Goonswarm: they have experienced schisms in the past. They rose, clashed against their great foe, stood victorious, and grew bulbous from their spoils. They grew slack from comforts. They collapsed upon themselves, had to rebuild, start fresh. And now they have returned from the ashes. Whose to say that they will ever die? Even if you wiped out every present and former Goon their ideal would survive, their lifestyle would infect others. Goonswarm will not only survive, they shall always return and thrive.

Lyris Nairn i'm considering to third party your interest on visiting providence without being molested. Send me 5 billion isk and i will def. make your goals succesfull.