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Elissen	Posted - 2006.04.09 15:34:00 - [1] Hi everybody. It has been quite a ride since October 18th when I released the Jumpplanner. To me it feels like the Jumpplanner is one of EVE's unspoken secrets; it doesn't get much attention on the forums, but in the meantime it is used a lot. Last Januari I got pretty excited when it passed the 15.000 planned routes total since that date and it has been gettting more and more ever since. Last month, March 2006, the jumpplanner served 10.000 (!) routes . When you concider that only very few people can actually fly the capital ships this number is insane. 10K routes in a month is reason for a party so I planned a new release, but I could use some help testing and input from people who fly the capital ships regulary. If your interested in helping out you might want to read this page. Do you use the Jumpplanner? I would love to hear from you - suggestions/annoiances/everything is welcome - Elissen P.S. With thanks to Shard here is a small story about the history of the jumptools ---- ICSC Jumpplanner tool - Routeplanner for all jumpcapable ships!
Double TaP	Posted - 2006.04.09 15:35:00 - [2] Congrats on a very useful tool
Aeon Yakati	Posted - 2006.04.09 20:11:00 - [3] Congrats on the record :) Any chance we could set different jump preferences in future? Would be nice if you could choose between the fuel economic route (minimal lightyears) or the convenient route for your cyno guy. Keep up the good work.
Elissen	Posted - 2006.04.10 07:42:00 - [4] Thnx guys. Right now the jumpplanner favors the least amount of jumps because IMHO every jumps brings a lot of work; flying over the cynos guy who will be stuck for 10 minutes and uses fuel, having your cap recharge after jumping ect ect. But a fuel economy mode might be an option if more people indicate they would like to see this. ---- ICSC Jumpplanner tool - Routeplanner for all jumpcapable ships!
Golan Trevize	Posted - 2006.04.10 07:59:00 - [5] Its a fantastic tool and you deserve great praise for it, infact i think ccp ough to give you some recognition for it and implement it ingame. Thnx from a frequent user. The Gallente ideals of Freedom, Liberty and Equality will be met by the Amarr realities of Lasers, Armor and Battleships.
aggiedog	Posted - 2006.04.10 08:10:00 - [6] No longer will I have to worry how much fuel I'll need to use my titan...er dreadnaut throughout space. Thx for your contributions to the community. --------------------------------------------- Make Doomsday weapons available for frigates!
Aramova	Posted - 2006.04.10 18:21:00 - [7] Don't you EVER close that site down! Too many people depend on it! If you ever get the hunch that it'll go the way of Eve-I, evemail me and I'll get you free hosting. (I'm a Server Admin for a hosting company when I'm not moving crap around on Eve) ---
Kage Getsu	Posted - 2006.04.10 18:24:00 - [8] I don't know how I'd get around without it! Great tool. I showed it to my web applications teacher and he thought it was awesome. I'd love to see the code, but I have a feeling you'd say no. _________________________________________________________
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.10 18:39:00 - [9] very nice Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
Elissen	Posted - 2006.04.10 21:10:00 - [10] Originally by: Golan Trevize Its a fantastic tool and you deserve great praise for it, infact i think ccp ough to give you some recognition for it and implement it ingame. Thnx from a frequent user. I wouldn't mind if the map button in the neocom would open up the jumpplanner in the IGB if your in a ship with jumpdrives Originally by: Aramova Don't you EVER close that site down! Too many people depend on it! If you ever get the hunch that it'll go the way of Eve-I, evemail me and I'll get you free hosting. (I'm a Server Admin for a hosting company when I'm not moving crap around on Eve) It's running very happily on a dedicated box that I rent with a couple of other small sites (less then 50 visitors a day). I can easily afford it and I have backups! Besides, I just love EVE and I don't see me quitting any time soon. Thnx for the offer anyway Originally by: Kage Getsu I don't know how I'd get around without it! Great tool. I showed it to my web applications teacher and he thought it was awesome. I'd love to see the code, but I have a feeling you'd say no. Sorry, but your feeling is correct. It's a promotion to the ICSC site and to what I feel like a bit of healthy competition in the tool developer area (also see about). But I know your teacher won't be surprised if I tell that around 40% of the code is purely about optimalization and most of the development time went into that. ---- ICSC Jumpplanner tool - Routeplanner for all jumpcapable ships!
SirSpectre	Posted - 2006.04.10 22:20:00 - [11] Edited by: SirSpectre on 10/04/2006 22:21:24 This is the one and only jump tool I use. I love it and it has been 100% accurate so far It has helped me so much in the past few weeks to get around. The only thing that I think could change would be an "avoid this region" button or something. Jumping in and out of hostile space can be a pain Other than that Awesome tool, if you need help beta testing what ever it is you need for a new route maker i will be happy to assist
Kage Getsu	Posted - 2006.04.10 23:33:00 - [12] Originally by: Elissen Sorry, but your feeling is correct. It's a promotion to the ICSC site and to what I feel like a bit of healthy competition in the tool developer area (also see about). But I know your teacher won't be surprised if I tell that around 40% of the code is purely about optimalization and most of the development time went into that. Blast. I had to try. SQL is griefing me and I wanted to see your queries so I could draw the map for a webgame. _________________________________________________________
Elissen	Posted - 2006.04.11 07:14:00 - [13] Originally by: SirSpectre Edited by: SirSpectre on 10/04/2006 22:21:24 This is the one and only jump tool I use. I love it and it has been 100% accurate so far It has helped me so much in the past few weeks to get around. The only thing that I think could change would be an "avoid this region" button or something. Jumping in and out of hostile space can be a pain Other than that Awesome tool, if you need help beta testing what ever it is you need for a new route maker i will be happy to assist More people have asked for a "avoid region"-option and I'll drop you a line about beta testing Originally by: Kage Getsu ... Blast. I had to try. SQL is griefing me and I wanted to see your queries so I could draw the map for a webgame. Drawing the map is the easy part. Use the X- and Z-values for X and Y. See this old post for more info. ---- ICSC Jumpplanner tool - Routeplanner for all jumpcapable ships!
Ginger Magician	Posted - 2006.04.11 10:58:00 - [14] WOW exciting stuff..not Did u replace that moros yet ellision btw? Jump planning with nowhere to go must be fun rofl
G'veth	Posted - 2006.04.11 12:36:00 - [15] This is a great tool and also the only jump planner I use although I think I did happen across another once. I do tend to find myself plotting multiple routes and also using the jumprange tool to try to replot a route manually. Quite often it will select a system you don't want to jump into, or near to, as one of the Cyno points. That said with a bit of work it offers all you need to get around this problem manually. Given I can't always easily quantify what makes a good or a bad system to have a Cyno in I can understand how this would be a nightmare for you to code it. Perhaps an option to show all possible routes of X jumps between two points would be in order. Or even just an option to change the logic used so that you can force a few extra routes out of it this way. Keep up the goodwork this is a fantastic tool.
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.04.11 13:25:00 - [16] Adding a way to see stations along a route would be nice, as most people prefer to jump within docking range of a station. Fear the Ibis of doom.
Virtuozzo	Posted - 2006.04.11 18:12:00 - [17] Originally by: Elissen More people have asked for a "avoid region"-option It's not so much the region which would be a lovely setting / option to use as either preference or to avoid, but systems in my opinion. When planning a route I often prefer to not go the shortest route - but rather follow one or two specific regions, and avoiding an area around one or two systems in another. I need more sleep so no idea if this was clear. Let's try again from an example. Origin is station X in region Alpha. Target is Station Y in region Iota. I'd love to plan the route by setting a preference for a jump in region Beta but to avoid having to use the system 101 in region Delta by a deviation of say 3-5 gate jumps (systems around). Obviously it would be lovely to be able to store routes and to be able to share them, either by means of a login mechanism (in game or out of game doesn't really matter - though I think it should be possible in game to create a route with clickable links for the cyno slave to set autopilot on automatically). This would bring an interesting bit of a trust challenge though, as obviously any self respecting intelligence gathering corporation would kill for a copy of all stored routes per player ... :) Virtuozzo RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!"
Elissen	Posted - 2006.04.11 21:34:00 - [18] I'm afraid that deciding weather or not a system is a good one to place a cynos guy in will always be manual work; it depends on too many factors and some of them are even dynamic. You probably want to avoid systems with a lot of people in it, lot of kills and with high traffic. And that can even ingame change by the hour. Since I don't have a live feed from Tranquillity with map data that will be impossible . However, providing the possibility of avoiding that area in the tools is one of the attention points. One direction I will not be going is plotting out X-courses so you can select one of them. What would qualify as a different route? The possibilities are almost endless! And that is exactly the main issue I had with the initial development of the jumpplanner. There are 3260 valid solarsystems that you can jump to. In some places there are over 300 systems in jumprange! I don't want to end up renting a very expensive dual xeon or dual operton box (right now it runs on a single P4 2.4GHz with 512MB RAM). Boonaki, a station/only option has been shouted out before too. Nothing is set in stone yet, but if I would make something like that IÆll probably make it so that systems without a station get a hefty penalty in the route calculation so that it will absolutely favour systems with stations. The big Q is how far around should it go for stations? That will require a lot of testing and tuning. Virtuozzo, again nothing is set in stone yet. But when I will make such an option you'll have to possibility to one or more solarsystems, constellations or entire regions. I might be links in the result that you can click on (avoid this system). For storing results; right now nothing is stored permanently except the default webserver access logs (and I'm the only one with access to those). But do you know the Link to this page at the bottom of the result page? You can bookmark that or post it at your internal forums. IMHO there is no need to rely on me for that with all the possible implications. On ordering cynos guys around , if you use the rangetool ingame it displays blue "I"'-symbols. When you right click on them you can set your destination. I'll add those to the jumpplanner too so you can copy/paste that url in the ingame chat and shout to somebody should go to jump 1 What I'm working on now is having multiple waypoints and you can use that to steer it in the direction you want. The current beta version will let you set up to 5 waypoints. It can do this too: round trip around the universe. I doubt anybody fly/jump that route, but it's fun to look at . So what might be in the future (and this is what I want to do) is expand the jumpplaner with: - waypoints - option avoid system/constellation/region options - option to prefer systems with stations That should make a nice system to plan your optimal route with, but I could use some help testing and balancing it. Right now it is only the waypoints, but for future versions as well. ---- ICSC Jumpplanner tool - Routeplanner for all jumpcapable ships!
Fiona Appletart	Posted - 2006.04.11 21:55:00 - [19] Originally by: Ginger Magician WOW exciting stuff..not Did u replace that moros yet ellision btw? Jump planning with nowhere to go must be fun rofl Tard alert Tard Alert All hands man Bullsh.. stations! Deploy Plastic sheets and anti-troll spray!
Virtuozzo	Posted - 2006.04.11 23:54:00 - [20] Originally by: Elissen Virtuozzo, again nothing is set in stone yet. But when I will make such an option you'll have to possibility to one or more solarsystems, constellations or entire regions. I might be links in the result that you can click on (avoid this system). That would be excellent enough :-) Originally by: Elissen For storing results; right now nothing is stored permanently except the default webserver access logs (and I'm the only one with access to those). But do you know the Link to this page at the bottom of the result page? You can bookmark that or post it at your internal forums. IMHO there is no need to rely on me for that with all the possible implications. Ah yes, good point. I was aware of it, just didn't realise the actual url itself contained the waypoint information. Cool. Originally by: Elissen What I'm working on now is having multiple waypoints and you can use that to steer it in the direction you want. The current beta version will let you set up to 5 waypoints. It can do this too: round trip around the universe. I doubt anybody fly/jump that route, but it's fun to look at . Actually .... it sounds like a bloody nice event just for the heck of it :) Capital ship races ... Just one thought ... 5 jumps is enough to end up anywhere with good skils, even from where I live it is only two jumps to empire. But considering the possible implementation of sticking to or avoiding locations ... 5 might not be enough, also taking into account jump skills on lower levels then ideal. I remember an op where we had dreads along with carriers cough and logistics demanded to use the same jump points. The route in total was 9 jumps. Originally by: Elissen So what might be in the future (and this is what I want to do) is expand the jumpplaner with: - waypoints - option avoid system/constellation/region options - option to prefer systems with stations That should make a nice system to plan your optimal route with, but I could use some help testing and balancing it. Right now it is only the waypoints, but for future versions as well. Brilliant. Any chance you are still accepting beta slaves? I'd love to have a test :-) Virtuozzo RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!"
CmdrRat	Posted - 2006.04.12 00:09:00 - [21] I'll do you a favor and not think you on behalf of Bob. I'd hate for you to get war deced for your indirect, yet critical help in every Capital ship movment we make. Well done.
Ginger Magician	Posted - 2006.04.12 01:36:00 - [22] Edited by: Ginger Magician on 12/04/2006 01:37:27 Originally by: Fiona Appletart Originally by: Ginger Magician WOW exciting stuff..not Did u replace that moros yet ellision btw? Jump planning with nowhere to go must be fun rofl Tard alert Tard Alert All hands man Bullsh.. stations! Deploy Plastic sheets and anti-troll spray! Too emabarassed to post with your main eli? Why did Vogon collaspe I wonder.... Be happy anyway.Forum interest in this post just shot up for some reason
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.04.12 04:11:00 - [23] Originally by: Ginger Magician Originally by: Fiona Appletart Originally by: Ginger Magician WOW exciting stuff..not Did u replace that moros yet ellision btw? Jump planning with nowhere to go must be fun rofl Tard alert Tard Alert All hands man Bullsh.. stations! Deploy Plastic sheets and anti-troll spray! Too emabarassed to post with your main eli? Why did Vogon collaspe I wonder.... Be happy anyway.Forum interest in this post just shot up for some reason Stop trolling this man's thread, Ginger . He's created a program used by hundreds of people in the EVE community. You... have gone on hundreds of ego trips to mask your unimportance. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.04.12 05:03:00 - [24] Originally by: CmdrRat I'll do you a favor and not think you on behalf of Bob. I'd hate for you to get war deced for your indirect, yet critical help in every Capital ship movment we make. Well done. Why don't you just recruit the guy? -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
AlvynNevins	Posted - 2006.04.12 09:16:00 - [25] Edited by: AlvynNevins on 12/04/2006 09:19:43 Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: CmdrRat I'll do you a favor and not think you on behalf of Bob. I'd hate for you to get war deced for your indirect, yet critical help in every Capital ship movment we make. Well done. Why don't you just recruit the guy? Nah.. He's one of us and an absolute genius. (Opposite of me, so we need him for compensation) Iam sure that without Elissen ICSC won't be what it is now. Also he gets, in ICSC, whatever he wants (capital sized cookies, exotic dancer, expensive planetary vehicles). Please help him (us) with testing the beta jumpplanner. -Al' http://www.eve-icsc.com/

Eris Discordia	Posted - 2006.04.12 10:56:00 - [26] Much <3 to you See me here

Virtuozzo	Posted - 2006.04.12 11:56:00 - [27] The tool itself is a display of genius, so yes .. I can imagine you would hold the guy dear and throw exotic dancers wherever he goes :) Virtuozzo RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!"
Amthrianius	Posted - 2006.04.12 13:24:00 - [28] Originally by: Eris Discordia Much <3 to you omg noob corp alt :\| ---------------
Neurotic Cat	Posted - 2006.04.12 19:07:00 - [29] This tool is something so useful CCP should have developed and provided it from day one. CCP: "buy" the tool and host it here. Pay these guys with years of free play time and dancing girls.
Virtuozzo	Posted - 2006.04.12 20:10:00 - [30] Signed. Gametime, exotic dancers and the first faction carrier! Virtuozzo RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!"

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