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Ebedar	Posted - 2006.04.09 21:14:00 - [1] So I got bored and decided to annoy the farmers in Pakhshi. I saddled up my trusty Iteron V ("The Beast"), jumped into the system and started to scan for likely targets. I soon found three: Ti Chell, Happinessai and a third character in a hauler. They were all in noob corps and Ti Chell and Happinessai mined away merrily while the hauler periodically popped out to pick up their ore - until I started to pick it up instead. This continued for a while, with the miners continuing to mine for the most part and no complaints being made in local. Having grabbed a fair amount of ore, I warped back into the belt where Happinessai was still merrily mining in a Covetor and went for the next lot in the can, again beating their hauler to the ore. This is when things got interesting. I took from the can and the usual warning popped up: (warning) You are about to steal items from Happinessai. If you continue, Happinessai and Happinessai's corporation will be free to attack you! Well that was nothing new so I yoinked the ore... At which point the following message came up: (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Warrior I belonging to Happinessai places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 11.9 damage. He had stuck his Acolyte and two Warrior drones on me and intended to destroy my ship for stealing his ore. I could only marvel as his drones made their way through my shield and started to go to work on my armour. Perhaps at this point I should mention my Iteron V's set up. Hi: 150mm Railgun II, Small 'Knave' Energy Drain Med: 10MN AB, 'Langour' Webifier, Fleeting Warp Scrambler, Small Electrochemical Cap Booster, Supplemental Scanning CPU I (named sensor booster) Low: 2x Small Armor Repairer II, 3x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II I locked the Covetor and fought back. The following 4 minutes witnessed a battle of epic proportions as his drones ate at my tank time and again and, time and again, I repelled them and ate slowly away at the Covetor using my single railgun filled with Antimatter S. I was eating through cap charges in an effort to sustain my tank, weaponry and scrambling modules, hoping, desperately hoping, that I could kill him before I ran out of cap. I switched off one repairer and prayed that it would be enough. Then came the moment that swung the battle decisively in my favour: (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your 150mm Railgun II perfectly strikes Happinessai 'Ti Chell's Covetor'(Covetor), wrecking for 152.9 damage. He was hurting badly and I was able to fend off his drones, ensuring they never got my armour past 80%. Slowly, reluctantly, surely his Coveter yielded to the relentless hammering of The Beast. With one final effort a shot rang true against the withered structure of the Covetor and destroyed it forever. I scooped his loot, took the remainder of the ore and warped back to the station with my ship and my pride. I saw Happinessai's pod warp into the station just as I docked and, in recognition of his efforts, typed in local: "Happinessai: good fight" There was no response. As a final addendum, the only item of his that was destroyed was a Civilian Shield Booster. I put his 3 strip miners up for sale on the market and within a few minutes they sold. I checked my transaction log. Inevitably it read: Market: Happinessai bought stuff from Ebedar ~ Intel for sale The Dominix: A Documentary Mindset
Cornelius Murphy	Posted - 2006.04.09 21:17:00 - [2] Amusing, and a blow against macro miners! ------------------------------------------
Mitchman	Posted - 2006.04.09 21:18:00 - [3] Priceless teh ioctl doesn't mine - he looks at the asteroids and they warp to the nearest station and refine themselves.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.09 21:26:00 - [4] everyone else would have docked to get a combat cruiser, but you killed him in a hauler respect Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
Raven Aure	Posted - 2006.04.09 21:27:00 - [5] Originally by: HippoKing everyone else would have docked to get a combat cruiser, but you killed him in a hauler respect ______________________ "Ahh, Raven Aure. Your reputation precedes you." "Uh oh. Which one?" Originally by: Density5 brb gotta sleep
jbob2000	Posted - 2006.04.09 21:32:00 - [6] Originally by: HippoKing everyone else would have docked to get a combat cruiser, but you killed him in a hauler respect qft
babyblue	Posted - 2006.04.09 21:36:00 - [7] From the title of this thread, I thought it was going to be about drinking in The Three Kings with my brother in-law.
Sarai Atvar	Posted - 2006.04.09 21:40:00 - [8] Excellent story. I just wish it had a less depressing ending. For every story like yours, there are thousands of farmers who go along untouched. Hopefully this will inspire others to follow your example. ----------------- [ The Coreli Corporation Mainframe ]
xStormwingx	Posted - 2006.04.09 21:58:00 - [9] +rep. hilarious. damn dumb farmers. --- :O
Smiffa	Posted - 2006.04.09 22:02:00 - [10] Originally by: Ebedar As a final addendum, the only item of his that was destroyed was a Civilian Shield Booster. I put his 3 strip miners up for sale on the market and within a few minutes they sold. I checked my transaction log. Inevitably it read: Market: Happinessai bought stuff from Ebedar I've just woke everybody up thats sleeping here, thanks to that. Note to self: must go try this some day. WD dude! --- Make the ships in my sig in RL!
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.04.09 22:11:00 - [11] Originally by: Ebedar I put his 3 strip miners up for sale on the market and within a few minutes they sold. I checked my transaction log. Inevitably it read: Market: Happinessai bought stuff from Ebedar That just tickles me! Sooner or later, these idiots have got to realize that industrial ships are not the helpless flying cans that everyone believes them to be. The "assault industrial" is more than capable of holding its own while doing its job, and can survive long enough to take down those who prey upon it, or to get free if the opposition is too powerful. It's not that you're 'roleplaying a jerk'... it's a matter of typecasting.
crom ralphfao	Posted - 2006.04.09 23:32:00 - [12] i use my iteron v for lvl3 missions
Raven Aure	Posted - 2006.04.09 23:52:00 - [13] Originally by: crom ralphfao i use my iteron v for lvl3 missions ______________________ Originally by: Double TaP hippo, other guy, calm down. lets be friends. yall are arguing about the different meanings of the word zerg.
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.04.10 00:00:00 - [14] That's impressive. I've done level 2-type stuff in my haulers, but it takes skillz and a good fitting to do level 3 missions in a hauler. It's not that you're 'roleplaying a jerk'... it's a matter of typecasting.
Charlotte Gallfour	Posted - 2006.04.10 00:13:00 - [15] Edited by: Charlotte Gallfour on 10/04/2006 00:14:52 "They were all in noob corps and Ti Chell and Happinessai mined away merrily while the hauler periodically popped out to pick up their ore - until I started to pick it up instead." I want to do that. --- "Let me do the buying while you do the dying."
Double TaP	Posted - 2006.04.10 00:20:00 - [16] I finally decided to read this all the way through, and I'm glad I did. Impressive!
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.04.10 00:32:00 - [17] Originally by: Corunna ElMan That's impressive. I've done level 2-type stuff in my haulers, but it takes skillz and a good fitting to do level 3 missions in a hauler. Hauling missions? Great story. It's this openended stuff that keeps me coming back for more \o/
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.04.10 00:49:00 - [18] Originally by: Deja Thoris Hauling missions? Snap! Told. It's not that you're 'roleplaying a jerk'... it's a matter of typecasting.
Tasuric Orka	Posted - 2006.04.10 01:02:00 - [19] Respect man, i would have boogied out to get my cruiser ________________________________________________ Hypocritical.
gordon861	Posted - 2006.04.10 01:05:00 - [20] Sooner or later one of the macro miners will learn that the hauler account could do with upping it's combat skills as well and come out with a Battle Cruiser instead on one of the runs and suprise you.
M3ta7h3ad	Posted - 2006.04.10 01:11:00 - [21] lol :) civilian shield booster, the true mark of a macro/farmer. Apocs, Geddons, Cormorants, Ospreys, Retrievers and Covetors... No matter what, they always fit civilian shield boosters. Kudos to doing it in your hauler mate, every time I try on the crowd in esescama they just warp away in unison. ----- If you kill all the wolves, your gonna end up with a crapload of bunnies, and by bunnies I mean stupid people Eve & Linux Woot!
Wu GyaFei	Posted - 2006.04.10 01:23:00 - [22] I was about to scream .. *******! then I realized he killed a macro, =] good job! =]
Cmdr Sy	Posted - 2006.04.10 04:01:00 - [23] Priceless.
Mrsticks	Posted - 2006.04.10 04:04:00 - [24] Originally by: HippoKing -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- everyone else would have docked to get a combat cruiser, but you killed him in a hauler respect -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My new sig hope you don't mind and on the kill priceless Originally by: HippoKing -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- everyone else would have docked to get a combat cruiser, but you killed him in a hauler
Spy4Hire	Posted - 2006.04.10 04:29:00 - [25] Uhm.... why didn't you kill the drones first and just keep the covetor scrammed? I have yet to pop a slavEbay miner fitting stabs.
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.04.10 04:49:00 - [26] Why didn't you fit a blaster? --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.04.10 05:13:00 - [27] Presumably, because he'd like to be able to fire on a target that's farther than 5 feet away. It's not that you're 'roleplaying a jerk'... it's a matter of typecasting.
Shot Callista	Posted - 2006.04.10 07:24:00 - [28] Originally by: Cornelius Murphy Amusing, and a blow against macro miners! I fail to see the part where they're clearly established as macro miners. So they ignored him stealing the ore? If you were in a barge or even the hauler picking things up and someone stole ore from you, I doubt you're fire upon them straight away. Those drones were intended for keeping them safe from NPC rats, and they decided enough was enough so set them on you. Some people do actually mine to build things, or for the money to buy other things in-game. Not everyone is a macro miner or "farming" (my understanding of farming being making ISK to sell). Originally by: Ebedar So I got bored and decided to annoy the farmers in Pakhshi. You mean you got bored and went stealing ore, maybe hoping to be able to fight some miners too. ---
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.04.10 09:19:00 - [29] Edited by: Corunna ElMan on 10/04/2006 09:19:39 Happinessai has never run a single mission for anyone other than the initial tutorial agent. Never, in 7 1/2 months. Favorable standing with Concord only, unfavorable standing with the pirate factions. Consistent with someone who only ever fights NPC pirates in belts... and not for the sake of combat or the security status would be well above 1.6. No bio whatsoever - not even some cool wrecking shot or NAPs or anything. Ti Chell has completed only the tutorial - in over 5 months, no standings with any faction, positive or negative. No missions, no rat kills, no bio. I don't think you need to be D1ck Tracy to figure out what these characters are used for. It's not that you're 'roleplaying a jerk'... it's a matter of typecasting.
Diicc Tater	Posted - 2006.04.10 09:19:00 - [30] Originally by: Shot Callista I fail to see the part where they're clearly established as macro miners. So they ignored him stealing the ore? If you were in a barge or even the hauler picking things up and someone stole ore from you, I doubt you're fire upon them straight away. Those drones were intended for keeping them safe from NPC rats, and they decided enough was enough so set them on you. 1: They didn't dock any of the other alts to get a cruiser 2: They did not respond, in any way, to indicate active playing 3: The mechanics allow for this to be done so even if they were NOT afk it's all good.
Lemoning Lemming	Posted - 2006.04.10 09:28:00 - [31] Respect Ebedar. PVP kills in a hauler, can't think of anything harder in PVP. Mr Jolly says, "You da man"
turnschuh	Posted - 2006.04.10 10:17:00 - [32] Originally by: Diicc Tater Originally by: Shot Callista I fail to see the part where they're clearly established as macro miners. So they ignored him stealing the ore? If you were in a barge or even the hauler picking things up and someone stole ore from you, I doubt you're fire upon them straight away. Those drones were intended for keeping them safe from NPC rats, and they decided enough was enough so set them on you. 1: They didn't dock any of the other alts to get a cruiser 2: They did not respond, in any way, to indicate active playing 3: The mechanics allow for this to be done so even if they were NOT afk it's all good. 1) they might dont have skills for a cruiser 2) nubs dont to that 3) ganking nubs ftl
Lyah Moonshade	Posted - 2006.04.10 10:20:00 - [33] I had two fun encounters with Isk farmers of late. The first one in Hageken with a standard 3x Apoc 1x Itty5 group. After snatching some of their ore, they got a Ferox in which started to bait and then try to destroy me. Unfortunately for him, my Ferox tanking skills are fairly good, so he limped away (must have had 4 stabbers fitted too, my scrambling attempts were for nothing). After a while, the Apoc's started to move into one single belt and put out 4 Vespas each. Knowing well the trap, I moved into the belt and made sure i had an aggro timer with all of them. Soon after, their Ferox warped in and opened fire, together with the 12 Vespas. Again, they were unable to breach my tank and their ships soon warped out. After dispatching the drones (could have left them, warped out and come back to collect, I know), I followed one Apoc to the station he had fled to and started to chew on him. Funny enough, there was no response so he popped after a while. The sweatshop owner contacted me after (the Itty5 guy usually, for those who don't know) all in tears about his loss, which made me feel all warm and fuzzy. The second encounter was in Isinokka with a russian Isk farmer ops (names sounded like garbled russian and they reacted more aggressively, see below). Their setup was 4 Covetors and 1 Iteron5, with the standard 1 Covetor per belt and the Iteron circling around. After having snatched some ore, they all disappeared to a station. Again making sure, I had aggro to all of them, I started to check the belts and found out that they all had changed into suicide Kessies and were waiting for me Having some decent resists on the Badger2, I was able to make it out in time before they got into structure, switched to the Ferox and warped back to the belt. I was greeted with what must have been half of the regional Concord forces and to my great pleasure, 3 pods were also sitting in the belt. It seems that one of them didn't have an aggro timer towards me and was ganged with the others . As an afterthought, now I know why the entire group had negative sec standing. To conclude, I know that the losses I inflicted on them aren't even a drop in the ocean and being a miner/builder myself, I get extremely frustrated at the lack of action CCP takes against farming. If you see macroers in the system you do missions in, don't ignore them. Go out and harass them, steal their ore and blow them up. Show them they're not welcome. L
Usul Faust	Posted - 2006.04.10 10:24:00 - [34] Edited by: Usul Faust on 10/04/2006 10:25:30 Isk farmers and macrominers are the only true pirates in eve. next time i see a mining barge getting ganked, i'm actually going to defend them* *Spamming OMGZ MACREOES!!1! in local the whole time, before starting a thread on the forums reliving the whole amusing anecdote, complete with witty bon mots and a tenuous explanation of why the guys attacking the miners were blatantly macrogankers and should be banned.
Ebedar	Posted - 2006.04.10 10:38:00 - [35] Thanks for all the comments and props To respond to a few of the specific questions and criticisms raised... Spy4hire: I didn't bother with the drones for a number of reasons, but mainly I wanted to keep my firepower focused on the ship. I used some poetic license in my description, the drones weren't hurting me that badly (though they got several wrecking shots of around 30). Hllaxiu: The rail gives me more flexibility but in future I may switch to a blaster, it depends on what I feel fits the situation. Shot Callista: I said they were farmers, not macroers, and arguments have already been presented supporting that. Whether you choose to believe them or not is up to you. On a related note, I'm in Pakhshi again now - some 15 hours after these events happened - and all three characters are still there (Happinessai, Ti Chell and their hauler, Zachariahy), mining and hauling. People are welcome to check them out for themselves to ascertain whether or not I was picking on innocent miners. Finally, this has never been about free ore or killing a soft target. I took maybe 2-3m ISK's worth of ore max from those guys - with all due respect, that's nothing for a player in my position. If I'd wanted an easy kill, I had cruisers, HACs, interceptors and battleships one jump away and could easily have come back in one of those. ~ Intel for sale The Dominix: A Documentary Mindset
HaaaaiiiiYA	Posted - 2006.04.10 11:12:00 - [36] I dont jetcan mine in my ice mining covetor, but even so I have a warp disruptor and 5 x t2 drones .. if I had decided to jetcan mine and the op had tried that stunt with me it may have turned out differently ... and yes, this is an alt
keymaker	Posted - 2006.04.10 11:21:00 - [37] Great kill, hmm think im gonna have a go at this farming the farmer scheme seems worth while lol
Rikkard Strofeldt	Posted - 2006.04.10 11:33:00 - [38] Beware the Iteron of Doom. A devil I may be, but I am trying to help you. You just don't realise it yet.
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.04.10 18:06:00 - [39] Originally by: turnschuh 1) they might dont have skills for a cruiser 2) nubs dont to that 3) ganking nubs ftl Did you read my previous post? These guys don't do anything but mine. Nothing at all. Ti Chell doesn't even fight the rats that show up when they are mining. These guys aren't "nubs", they've been around for half a year. There's no evidence that they do anything but mine, and all you need to do is examine their character sheets to see the clues. There's a word for people like that - they're called "farmers". They harm the game because they devalue the efforts of legtimate players and they're hell on the economy. I don't feel a shred of sympathy for them. It's not that you're 'roleplaying a jerk'... it's a matter of typecasting.
Illegal	Posted - 2006.04.10 18:48:00 - [40] been there, done that, got the t-shirt. i hate to see these guys in action. i once myself went on a farmer killing spree, with my solo badger i managed to take out 2 retrievers, 2 mammoths, a coercer, a covetor and an apoc. that was now a while ago, i gave up, there is no point, its taking time from me which i can spend making more money than i am from them, and there's hundreds of these guys, the same guy controlling those 3 or 5 accounts could be controlling another set elsewhere. its minimal damage, for minimal gain and minimal end result. you are not making a difference. what will make a difference is, instead of stopping them for an hour, report them, and have them banned for life. --
Uggster	Posted - 2006.04.10 18:54:00 - [41] "....Blah...blah...blah....Perhaps at this point I should mention my Iteron V's set up....BATTLE WAGGON...blah...blah..." For some reason that bit really tickled me Nice going.
KaraThrace	Posted - 2006.04.10 19:01:00 - [42] hahaha nice read well done man!
Smagd	Posted - 2006.04.10 21:37:00 - [43] First off: Well done! I loved the bit were you introduced your fitting. You have some storytelling talent, mate. Oh and nice kill Originally by: Corunna ElMan That's impressive. I've done level 2-type stuff in my haulers, but it takes skillz and a good fitting to do level 3 missions in a hauler. Or easy missions. "The Score III", 1 cruiser, 4 frigs (albeit can be interceptors). How do you fit your hauler hmm? Mammoth + 200mm AC + small smartbomb + shield tank + afterburner + webber + damage mods and nanofibers. Mostly it's tricky to put enough damage on a hauler to kill cruisers. Gotta say, it's a bit funny to see a Mammoth in an interceptor orbit.
Masheine	Posted - 2006.04.11 00:33:00 - [44] Quote: what will make a difference is, instead of stopping them for an hour, report them, and have them banned for life. That's useless. At least from my experience. Not wanting to be considered to be profitting from macro-ing, in case they were macro-ing, I report blatant farmers (same clues already listed) as soon as I start ore thieving them. They're all still there. Responses on the petitions saying they'll "check it out" or "see what can be done", but nothing so far. Everytime I go through those system, or even just pop on to a docked char in the middle of the night to change skill training, those "players" are still there, still online, still doing the same thing, 24/7. Finally had a group fight back, though, which was fun. Did the can swap thing, and got red flashy on a Caracal they'd brought out to scare me off. Trashing it with a 12 day old alt in a Punisher was a laugh.
Demon Johnson	Posted - 2006.04.11 12:50:00 - [45] Hmmm....ho bad is the sec hit for "stealing" ore? On no sec hit and just an aggro timer?
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.11 12:52:00 - [46] Originally by: Demon Johnson Hmmm....ho bad is the sec hit for "stealing" ore? On no sec hit and just an aggro timer? no sec hit, just an aggro timer Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
Bhaal	Posted - 2006.04.11 12:58:00 - [47] How exactly do you guys know these are farmers? I used to mine with 2 covetors and a hauler when I needed low ends to build a BS... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Professor McFly	Posted - 2006.04.11 13:11:00 - [48] Edited by: Professor McFly on 11/04/2006 13:10:49 It's like stamping on roaches, you can never do any longterm damage that way. They are most likely farmers based on: - their names - lack of actions taken - lack of defenses or preparedness against such an incident - ship setups - age of characters - lack of any communication As someone who played L2 to the endgame, which was infested with such farmers, you get good at spotting the difference. __________________ Inappropriate link description. --Jorauk mods - pwning sigs since 1943
Tachy	Posted - 2006.04.11 13:33:00 - [49] I have been attacked once to often by macrominerhunters while trying to get the ore for the next ship building job. Report your suspected hivemind controlled miners and let the GM do their job. --==*-- Megadon CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray
Amuko	Posted - 2006.04.11 13:43:00 - [50] Originally by: Bhaal How exactly do you guys know these are farmers? I used to mine with 2 covetors and a hauler when I needed low ends to build a BS... I usually fly to their can with an alt in a shuttle. Take one ore, see what they do ( I stay for a few minutes) if they don't kill me... I get my indy, steal their ore
Mantiss	Posted - 2006.04.11 14:34:00 - [51] Wow. I guess you WERE bored.

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