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Nev Clavain	Posted - 2006.04.10 19:25:00 - [31] Originally by: Hurada Edited by: Hurada on 10/04/2006 18:42:31 AWP in CSS. Many servers ban it, others you just get flamed for it etc. The only effective counter is AWPs. So I'd say somthing that cannot be countered, or the counter is itself, or the counter gimps you in some way or makes you too specialised (eg your only real use is to counter the overpowered item) LOL don't start that old nonsense. The AWP in most senses is one of the worst weapons in the game. It has two redeeming features which is a one shot kill and a good scope. Your talking about a game over 6 years old now, and still the AWP is there. Not because its unbalanced. But thats a different game, I only bring up because the sniping issue has parallels in EVE. Sniping in any game will attract people who say its unfair; as it does in eve. Thats because people dont like being shot without a chance of reply. Most people who are complaining stupidly play right into the sniper's hands though, by trying to take him head on. I would agree with Avon's definition of overpowered "something that has no counter except more of the same." I talk so much about sniping because many people would put it under this category of 'overpowered' in EVE or in any game with good sniping opportunities. Quite simply, you're wrong if you think that. Snipers have glaring weaknesses. But dont expect to warp in , see a sniper at 190km, and instantly have a way to kill him. You might have to run at first, get some support. The most damage you can do to him , may only be to make him leave his spot. Still, you can counter the threat of sniping and remove the sniper - even if you don't kill him, without other snipers.
Xtreme Wrath	Posted - 2006.04.10 19:39:00 - [32] Chuck Norris is overpowered.
Rorix Whitecloud	Posted - 2006.04.10 19:51:00 - [33] Originally by: Nev Clavain Originally by: Hurada Edited by: Hurada on 10/04/2006 18:42:31 snip snip Completely different issue here... Sniping in CSS with an AWP gives you instakills. Sniping in EVE gives you god fricking low dps when compaired with other setups. In CSS, every weapon fires effectively at the same range (cept the shotguns). With 90% of the guns, you can kill an AWP user at the same range he's sniping you at. In EVE, if you have a non-sniper setup, there's no way you can hurt the sniper from similar ranges. ~Whenever there is any doubt, there is no doubt. That's the first thing they teach you. ~Who taught you? ~I don't remember. That's the second thing they teach you. -Ronin
Nifel	Posted - 2006.04.10 20:27:00 - [34] I'd go with Avon's definition. "We wield swords for the sound of laughter that used to be there long ago." RKK Ranking: (MIN13) Jata
Slink Grinsdikild	Posted - 2006.04.10 20:37:00 - [35] Here's an example: ECM is overpowered, because he who jams first, wins.
Prestis	Posted - 2006.04.10 21:34:00 - [36] Whenever the people defending whatever it is come out with statements like: "It's not a solo game. Just bring some friends - thats your counter!" or "Nothing's stopping you using it too." or maybe "If X is so great why did I loose while using one just now?! " (the useless anecdote)
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2006.04.10 21:35:00 - [37] Originally by: Aramova Titan super weapon might be somewhat overpowered... Vegabond's speed is overpowered, that's for sure, you need double webbies to counter it, and getting doubleweebies on a ship that can A)Catch it and B)Tank it, and C)Kill it, well, it's overpowered OMGWTFPWNBBQ!~!!@~~!!111! Might be overpowered if it's a 1v1, but all you really need is someone to tackle and a bunch of ecm (which I found out the hard way). Avon's answer was pretty good imo. A dirty job - Released 2006.01.02
BlackPlague	Posted - 2006.04.10 23:03:00 - [38] Overpowered The Nerfbat
Mishima	Posted - 2006.04.10 23:04:00 - [39] overpowered is the same as unfair, some1 or something that's overpowered is too good simple t2 bpo holders are overpowered, who cares if there is a counter or not. I love x-mas :D
Makhan	Posted - 2006.04.10 23:05:00 - [40] Something is overpowered when too many people are having fun using it.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.04.10 23:05:00 - [41] Originally by: HippoKing Been a lot of threads recently which included variations on "OMG its not overpowered it can be countered stop crying nerf you noob" well, i want to sort this out. What constitutes overpowered? Is it being impossible to counter, or just that it requires much more effort and disadvantage to counter than to use? Insufficient (or ~0 for the worst offenders) opportunity cost. "The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer
Wild Rho	Posted - 2006.04.10 23:05:00 - [42] I'd say when it takes far more effort to counter than it does to use or when there is no real counter.
St Dragon	Posted - 2006.04.11 01:49:00 - [43] when you have a ship and setup so powerfull that no other SINGLE setup can possabaly beat you 1v1 [and i really mean no other setup]. Then something is wrong there. In eve there should always be a weakness and a way of beating someone 1v1. True with this setup you will have a lot of fun but soon the secret will come out and then more and more peole will be copying you then what you are left with is a infestation of cookie cutter ships fighting each other. And with little variation just like ravens who mission run i bet. If however this ship had a weaknes then of course not everyone will fly it therefore avoiding cookie cutting adding diversity to eve. ----------------------------------------------- "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Splagada	Posted - 2006.04.11 02:20:00 - [44] to me it's when it's not related to fitting or anything. overpowered is when well you just dont stand a chance, and dont have this "ahh damn if i had fitted like this, i could have had a chance" :p - Member of [AAST]
Aversin	Posted - 2006.04.11 03:31:00 - [45] OMG those minmatar over overpowers, since teh tanking changes and stacking penalty changes the minmatar have been overpowers! CCP please nerf the whole minmatar slave race and give amarr a damage bonus to them because I like amarr. Originally by: Razner Cerizo They will never quit. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
gfldex	Posted - 2006.04.12 15:02:00 - [46] Originally by: HippoKing look mom, he just read the title and not the post! Indeed! But can we count my post as a good example to explain something that is overpowered? -- $ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill\|lost my ship\|gank\|gate camp\|Verone/;'
jbob2000	Posted - 2006.04.12 15:44:00 - [47] stabs, nos, domi, raven, ECM thnxbai
SavageThrash	Posted - 2006.04.12 15:48:00 - [48] Jamming is overpowered when fit on teh wrong ship, a jamming domi or ishtar is overpowered agasint most things, although it can be countered with backup arrays the domi shouldnt beable to use a jammer anywhere near the efectivness of a scorp. Same with its nos and drones, a domi with nos, drones an ew is the gheyest thing i have seen although it does not need to be nerfed, The jammers and nosses are the ones needed the fixing because any ship can take advantage of the ecm and nosses its just that the domi is the best shoice cause it still has a nice amount of damage with nos and jammers and a strong tank in the lows.
ElCoCo	Posted - 2006.04.12 18:11:00 - [49] When I say overpowered, I've tested it myself or else I would not comment. i.e. I might have similar skills in X and Y race ships/guns. If no matter how hard I think, X would come out as a better choice of ship most of the times/scenarios, then I would say X is overpowered.
Edhel	Posted - 2006.04.12 18:46:00 - [50] stabs, nos, domi, raven, ECM thnxbai" or something
Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2006.04.12 19:08:00 - [51] overpowerd is somethin that has become a must to have/fly/use, in order to keep up with ppl that have/fly/use it too. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Rorix Whitecloud	Posted - 2006.04.12 19:26:00 - [52] Originally by: Maya Rkell Edited by: Maya Rkell on 10/04/2006 23:06:29 Originally by: HippoKing SNIP Insufficient (or ~0 for the worst offenders) opportunity cost. Rorix Whitecloud, sniping with T2 amo is NOT low damage. On the same ships, using close range setups, gives you much higher dps... and besides, i was compairing it to counterstrike... but either way... :) ~Whenever there is any doubt, there is no doubt. That's the first thing they teach you. ~Who taught you? ~I don't remember. That's the second thing they teach you. -Ronin

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