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HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.10 17:24:00 - [1] Been a lot of threads recently which included variations on "OMG its not overpowered it can be countered stop crying nerf you noob" well, i want to sort this out. What constitutes overpowered? Is it being impossible to counter, or just that it requires much more effort and disadvantage to counter than to use? Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.10 17:25:00 - [2] and please READ the thread, don't just stay "stabs, nos, domi, raven, ECM thnxbai" or something **** like that Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
Kage Getsu	Posted - 2006.04.10 17:26:00 - [3] I think something is overpowered if it gives a significant advantage but has no counter. _________________________________________________________
Zolofine	Posted - 2006.04.10 17:27:00 - [4] A clear advantage over other items of similar nature... Ie, when speaking in terms of explosives... a nuke is overpowered. When speaking in terms of a paintball arena, an AK47 is overpowered...
snowpanther	Posted - 2006.04.10 17:27:00 - [5] Hippo you sig is overpowered by miles
Eternal Fury	Posted - 2006.04.10 17:28:00 - [6] I considered overpowered to be when you use a ship on the hardest mission, and it's a cakewalk. or when you have a ship in PvP that cannot be beat 1 vs 1. Thing is, in this game you can almost always find someone who has SOMETHING trained better then you that will turn the tide of battle. now, the chances of you fighting that person are slim, so it's entirely possible to have someone be "overpowered" to everyone, yet still find their ship/skills/RL Skills to not be over powered. All that being said.. what ever you are useing needs to be nerfed. Dunno what it is, but nerf it :) demand is greater then supply = high price. supply is greater then demand = low price.
alty mcaltalot	Posted - 2006.04.10 17:30:00 - [7] something that allows you to beat someone else without them having much (if any) chance of winning
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.10 17:31:00 - [8] Originally by: Galk Well you ain't ruled out the win button.. I choose that but i am CEO of that, so it doesn't count Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
Galk	Posted - 2006.04.10 17:31:00 - [9] Originally by: HippoKing and please READ the thread, don't just stay "stabs, nos, domi, raven, ECM thnxbai" or something **** like that Well you ain't ruled out the win button.. I choose that ______ Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free. We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran
Avon	Posted - 2006.04.10 17:34:00 - [10] Anything where the only viable counter is more of the same. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
TOOMY	Posted - 2006.04.10 17:35:00 - [11] another post from hippoking, first time ive seen that
Kage Getsu	Posted - 2006.04.10 17:36:00 - [12] Originally by: TOOMY another post from hippoking, first time ive seen that Obviously he needs to be nerfed _________________________________________________________
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.04.10 17:39:00 - [13] Originally by: Kage Getsu Originally by: TOOMY another post from hippoking, first time ive seen that Obviously he needs to be nerfed Nah, you mean he needs to be narfed? ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
BoinKlasik	Posted - 2006.04.10 17:40:00 - [14] Edited by: BoinKlasik on 10/04/2006 17:40:48 stabs, nos, domi, raven, ECM thnxbai ... Originally by: alty mcaltalot something that allows you to beat someone else without them having much (if any) chance of winning to me thats my definition of "gank" but yea it still works with this word, odd. overpowered I agree with an erarlier poster in that it can only be countered with more of the same. if you cant beat them join them just makes you feel bad too :P Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Nah, you mean he needs to be narfed? TROZ! doh, I broke my edited sig :/ cries this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.10 17:47:00 - [15] Originally by: Kage Getsu Originally by: TOOMY another post from hippoking, first time ive seen that Obviously he needs to be nerfed you'll never take me alive, tomB! Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.04.10 17:47:00 - [16] Edited by: Eximius Josari on 10/04/2006 17:47:43 I pretty much think something is overpowered when its 'counter' makes little difference. Warp Disruptors/Scramblers aren't overpowered. Stabs seem to be working just fine. ECM is overpowered. ECCM doesn't seem to make an appreciable different to chances of not getting jammed. Not to mention the inbalance in potential ECM slots on many ships. It's my opinion that ships a ships Sensor strength should be the direct inverse of its potential ECM ability. IE Amarr ships would be among the strongest sensor wise, with Caldari trailing last. ~Shadowlord Victory is the weakness of the enemy. Sovereignty 2.1
Ebedar	Posted - 2006.04.10 17:55:00 - [17] An item that everyone goes out of their way to fit or will gimp their set up to accommodate. ~ Intel for sale The Dominix: A Documentary Mindset
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.04.10 17:55:00 - [18] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Kage Getsu Originally by: TOOMY another post from hippoking, first time ive seen that Obviously he needs to be nerfed you'll never take me alive, tomB! So he will just kill you first. ~Shadowlord Victory is the weakness of the enemy. Sovereignty 2.1
gfldex	Posted - 2006.04.10 18:12:00 - [19] Tec 2 infested snipers. You cant damp them because they are to far away. You cant tracking disrupt them because because they are to far away. You cant jam them because they are to far away. And they can hit a fly from 250km _because_ they are far away. As they stay aligned all the time you cant jump them with a covert. The only way to counter _one_ sniper are that many sniper that you can one volley them. So you need around 30 ships to counter one. I think we can call it overpowered. -- $ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill\|lost my ship\|gank\|gate camp\|Verone/;'
Ginger Magician	Posted - 2006.04.10 18:21:00 - [20] I'd say Ginger. He has too many kills
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.10 18:21:00 - [21] Originally by: gfldex Tec 2 infested snipers. You cant damp them because they are to far away. You cant tracking disrupt them because because they are to far away. You cant jam them because they are to far away. And they can hit a fly from 250km _because_ they are far away. As they stay aligned all the time you cant jump them with a covert. The only way to counter _one_ sniper are that many sniper that you can one volley them. So you need around 30 ships to counter one. I think we can call it overpowered. look mom, he just read the title and not the post! Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.10 18:23:00 - [22] Originally by: Ginger Magician I'd say Ginger. He has too many kills another one who didn't read the post! Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
Tasuric Orka	Posted - 2006.04.10 18:28:00 - [23] Overpowered: The effect of the weapon is disproportionate(sp?) to the efford required to use it. (That's my fps defenition, but it works for eve) And.. The weapon is easier to use than it is to counter. ________________________________________________ Hypocritical.
alty mcaltalot	Posted - 2006.04.10 18:28:00 - [24] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Ginger Magician I'd say Ginger. He has too many kills another one who didn't read the post! prahaps because your post had to do with the symantics and definition of a word in the english language (hint: a dictionary could be helpful) and not eve-online itself, people have decided to troll it?
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.10 18:31:00 - [25] Originally by: alty mcaltalot prahaps because your post had to do with the symantics and definition of a word in the english language (hint: a dictionary could be helpful) and not eve-online itself, people have decided to troll it? you clearly don't know ginger. that train of thought it beyond him As for the it being unrelated to eve, i think it is very relevant to eve. Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.04.10 18:33:00 - [26] Originally by: Ginger Magician I'd say Ginger. He has too many kills Shuttles have no viable counter to you. So I suppose you are right. ~Shadowlord Victory is the weakness of the enemy. Sovereignty 2.1
Hurada	Posted - 2006.04.10 18:34:00 - [27] Edited by: Hurada on 10/04/2006 18:35:14 AWP in CSS. Many servers ban it, others you just get flamed for it etc. The only effective counter is AWPs, unless you are really good.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.10 18:36:00 - [28] Originally by: Hurada AWP in CSS. Many servers ban it, others you just get flamed for it etc. The only effective counter is AWPs. not quite true. smoke, flashes and flanking are all effective methods. And knifing an AWPer is one of the great joys of CS Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
Viktor Fyretracker	Posted - 2006.04.10 18:42:00 - [29] trouble is defining overpowered in EVE because nothing has preset counters, Destroyers are suppost to counter the frigate but clearly get owned by AF and inty. and if destroyers were buffed to do their job properly they would have more firepower then a cruiser.
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.04.10 18:44:00 - [30] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker trouble is defining overpowered in EVE because nothing has preset counters, Destroyers are suppost to counter the frigate but clearly get owned by AF and inty. and if destroyers were buffed to do their job properly they would have more firepower then a cruiser. Destroyers should be better tanks than Frigs imo. Much like BCs are better tanks than Cruisers. Destroyers would be more able to handle t2 frigs then. ~Shadowlord Victory is the weakness of the enemy. Sovereignty 2.1
Nev Clavain	Posted - 2006.04.10 19:25:00 - [31] Originally by: Hurada Edited by: Hurada on 10/04/2006 18:42:31 AWP in CSS. Many servers ban it, others you just get flamed for it etc. The only effective counter is AWPs. So I'd say somthing that cannot be countered, or the counter is itself, or the counter gimps you in some way or makes you too specialised (eg your only real use is to counter the overpowered item) LOL don't start that old nonsense. The AWP in most senses is one of the worst weapons in the game. It has two redeeming features which is a one shot kill and a good scope. Your talking about a game over 6 years old now, and still the AWP is there. Not because its unbalanced. But thats a different game, I only bring up because the sniping issue has parallels in EVE. Sniping in any game will attract people who say its unfair; as it does in eve. Thats because people dont like being shot without a chance of reply. Most people who are complaining stupidly play right into the sniper's hands though, by trying to take him head on. I would agree with Avon's definition of overpowered "something that has no counter except more of the same." I talk so much about sniping because many people would put it under this category of 'overpowered' in EVE or in any game with good sniping opportunities. Quite simply, you're wrong if you think that. Snipers have glaring weaknesses. But dont expect to warp in , see a sniper at 190km, and instantly have a way to kill him. You might have to run at first, get some support. The most damage you can do to him , may only be to make him leave his spot. Still, you can counter the threat of sniping and remove the sniper - even if you don't kill him, without other snipers.
Xtreme Wrath	Posted - 2006.04.10 19:39:00 - [32] Chuck Norris is overpowered.
Rorix Whitecloud	Posted - 2006.04.10 19:51:00 - [33] Originally by: Nev Clavain Originally by: Hurada Edited by: Hurada on 10/04/2006 18:42:31 snip snip Completely different issue here... Sniping in CSS with an AWP gives you instakills. Sniping in EVE gives you god fricking low dps when compaired with other setups. In CSS, every weapon fires effectively at the same range (cept the shotguns). With 90% of the guns, you can kill an AWP user at the same range he's sniping you at. In EVE, if you have a non-sniper setup, there's no way you can hurt the sniper from similar ranges. ~Whenever there is any doubt, there is no doubt. That's the first thing they teach you. ~Who taught you? ~I don't remember. That's the second thing they teach you. -Ronin
Nifel	Posted - 2006.04.10 20:27:00 - [34] I'd go with Avon's definition. "We wield swords for the sound of laughter that used to be there long ago." RKK Ranking: (MIN13) Jata
Slink Grinsdikild	Posted - 2006.04.10 20:37:00 - [35] Here's an example: ECM is overpowered, because he who jams first, wins.
Prestis	Posted - 2006.04.10 21:34:00 - [36] Whenever the people defending whatever it is come out with statements like: "It's not a solo game. Just bring some friends - thats your counter!" or "Nothing's stopping you using it too." or maybe "If X is so great why did I loose while using one just now?! " (the useless anecdote)
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2006.04.10 21:35:00 - [37] Originally by: Aramova Titan super weapon might be somewhat overpowered... Vegabond's speed is overpowered, that's for sure, you need double webbies to counter it, and getting doubleweebies on a ship that can A)Catch it and B)Tank it, and C)Kill it, well, it's overpowered OMGWTFPWNBBQ!~!!@~~!!111! Might be overpowered if it's a 1v1, but all you really need is someone to tackle and a bunch of ecm (which I found out the hard way). Avon's answer was pretty good imo. A dirty job - Released 2006.01.02
BlackPlague	Posted - 2006.04.10 23:03:00 - [38] Overpowered The Nerfbat
Mishima	Posted - 2006.04.10 23:04:00 - [39] overpowered is the same as unfair, some1 or something that's overpowered is too good simple t2 bpo holders are overpowered, who cares if there is a counter or not. I love x-mas :D
Makhan	Posted - 2006.04.10 23:05:00 - [40] Something is overpowered when too many people are having fun using it.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.04.10 23:05:00 - [41] Originally by: HippoKing Been a lot of threads recently which included variations on "OMG its not overpowered it can be countered stop crying nerf you noob" well, i want to sort this out. What constitutes overpowered? Is it being impossible to counter, or just that it requires much more effort and disadvantage to counter than to use? Insufficient (or ~0 for the worst offenders) opportunity cost. "The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer
Wild Rho	Posted - 2006.04.10 23:05:00 - [42] I'd say when it takes far more effort to counter than it does to use or when there is no real counter.
St Dragon	Posted - 2006.04.11 01:49:00 - [43] when you have a ship and setup so powerfull that no other SINGLE setup can possabaly beat you 1v1 [and i really mean no other setup]. Then something is wrong there. In eve there should always be a weakness and a way of beating someone 1v1. True with this setup you will have a lot of fun but soon the secret will come out and then more and more peole will be copying you then what you are left with is a infestation of cookie cutter ships fighting each other. And with little variation just like ravens who mission run i bet. If however this ship had a weaknes then of course not everyone will fly it therefore avoiding cookie cutting adding diversity to eve. ----------------------------------------------- "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Splagada	Posted - 2006.04.11 02:20:00 - [44] to me it's when it's not related to fitting or anything. overpowered is when well you just dont stand a chance, and dont have this "ahh damn if i had fitted like this, i could have had a chance" :p - Member of [AAST]
Aversin	Posted - 2006.04.11 03:31:00 - [45] OMG those minmatar over overpowers, since teh tanking changes and stacking penalty changes the minmatar have been overpowers! CCP please nerf the whole minmatar slave race and give amarr a damage bonus to them because I like amarr. Originally by: Razner Cerizo They will never quit. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
gfldex	Posted - 2006.04.12 15:02:00 - [46] Originally by: HippoKing look mom, he just read the title and not the post! Indeed! But can we count my post as a good example to explain something that is overpowered? -- $ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill\|lost my ship\|gank\|gate camp\|Verone/;'
jbob2000	Posted - 2006.04.12 15:44:00 - [47] stabs, nos, domi, raven, ECM thnxbai
SavageThrash	Posted - 2006.04.12 15:48:00 - [48] Jamming is overpowered when fit on teh wrong ship, a jamming domi or ishtar is overpowered agasint most things, although it can be countered with backup arrays the domi shouldnt beable to use a jammer anywhere near the efectivness of a scorp. Same with its nos and drones, a domi with nos, drones an ew is the gheyest thing i have seen although it does not need to be nerfed, The jammers and nosses are the ones needed the fixing because any ship can take advantage of the ecm and nosses its just that the domi is the best shoice cause it still has a nice amount of damage with nos and jammers and a strong tank in the lows.
ElCoCo	Posted - 2006.04.12 18:11:00 - [49] When I say overpowered, I've tested it myself or else I would not comment. i.e. I might have similar skills in X and Y race ships/guns. If no matter how hard I think, X would come out as a better choice of ship most of the times/scenarios, then I would say X is overpowered.
Edhel	Posted - 2006.04.12 18:46:00 - [50] stabs, nos, domi, raven, ECM thnxbai" or something
Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2006.04.12 19:08:00 - [51] overpowerd is somethin that has become a must to have/fly/use, in order to keep up with ppl that have/fly/use it too. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Rorix Whitecloud	Posted - 2006.04.12 19:26:00 - [52] Originally by: Maya Rkell Edited by: Maya Rkell on 10/04/2006 23:06:29 Originally by: HippoKing SNIP Insufficient (or ~0 for the worst offenders) opportunity cost. Rorix Whitecloud, sniping with T2 amo is NOT low damage. On the same ships, using close range setups, gives you much higher dps... and besides, i was compairing it to counterstrike... but either way... :) ~Whenever there is any doubt, there is no doubt. That's the first thing they teach you. ~Who taught you? ~I don't remember. That's the second thing they teach you. -Ronin

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