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Bjornolf
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Posted - 2006.04.11 21:10:00 -
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This is directed to all the non-pirate Corps out there. Scenario: Anti-pirate infiltrates a pirate guild. Not a big guild, small one, and manages to work their way up into the upper echelon. Pirate corp joins an alliance, war ensues with another alliance. Infiltrator manages to steal everything out of the Corp hanger, generous enough to leave some stuff behind.
Result: Damages the ability of the pirate Corp to conduct their "illegal" and immoral operations.
Justified? Or wrong regardless of the case?
Discuss.
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Abdalion
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Posted - 2006.04.11 21:16:00 -
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Moving to crime and punishment.
Whoooooooooosh. ___
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crom ralphfao
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Posted - 2006.04.11 21:26:00 -
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never trust anyone......not even the people you trust. the ceo should put all sensitive material in an alt's "items" and only have the hanger filled with what you can bear being stolen.
if you have a few that you choose to trust, split up a good deal of the isk amongst yourselves and report to each other any large expenditures.
corp infiltration keeps us on our toes and make eve teh fun.
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Rasitiln
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Posted - 2006.04.11 21:29:00 -
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doesnt matter, morals and judgement on whether or not something is wrong or right are simply personal opinions. I dont belive in god is that wrong or right? who says pirateing is illegal? I am for the death penalty is that wrong or right? Is killing someone because they murderd someone justified, sure why not. Its all subject to opinion. Dont ask what other people think ask your self what you think because in the end thats all that matters.
That 1% was enough - Wrangler |
Bjornolf
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Posted - 2006.04.11 21:35:00 -
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Well, here we descend into the classic question of "Do the ends justify the means?" With regard to Eve-Online as a game, morals and ethics are taken a bit lightly.
Personally, in a game such as Eve-Online, yes, the ends justify the means. How many times have innocents been griefed by pirates needlessly all in the name of a good laugh? It seems like the workings of Karma that eventually those who grief players get griefed in return. If a Corporation is fully committed to piracy, then it is only fair that they be subject the same treatment.
The question I have for you, is if a player who infiltrated a Pirate Corporation and stole from them came to your Corporation, being an Anti-Pirate corp, would you trust them? Would you allow them membership, knowing full well what they did?
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Ometoch
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Posted - 2006.04.11 21:46:00 -
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One of the problems with trust. If you give it to someone, and they screw you, you can get burned very bad. i agree with the distribution of valuables among members of the coarp, not accessable by all... ask yourself this... if you have someone who managed to get up that high in the corp, and is... let's say.. a fighter... and he wants access to BPO's, etc... my first question is... why? Why does a fighter need access to that? Possibly Read Only Corp hangar access, but nothing more. I trust my corpmate implicitly... but... you'd better believe that each of us only has access to what we need in our profession, and we all "own" our own ships. No chance for an infiltrator to steal anything... not that we have anything to steal, ffs. lol
(Incidentally, we aren't a pirate corp.. far from it... but that type of corporate espionage doesn't just happen to ebil pie-rats.)
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DeathGrip
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Posted - 2006.04.12 03:20:00 -
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Why is there like 6 Corp Thief topics going on first page of Crime and Punishment, normally its macro miners, why hacs are to expensive and why its to easy to gank.
[i]Everyone needs to bring PVP to the table, Miners, Builders, Researchers, Get yourself a Frig, and help out some, You ma |
Milenko Chang
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Posted - 2006.04.12 03:33:00 -
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If I was the CEO of a corporation I may let them in but they sure as hell would never get any kind of hanger access.
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Voculus
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Posted - 2006.04.12 11:32:00 -
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I could never infiltrate a pirate corp, because to get to a high-level, trusted position within the corp would require me to blow away noobs and haulers. I just can't do that.
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Ayame Mishima
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Posted - 2006.04.12 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: Ayame Mishima on 12/04/2006 11:42:40
Originally by: Voculus I could never infiltrate a pirate corp, because to get to a high-level, trusted position within the corp would require me to blow away noobs and haulers. I just can't do that.
Hmm... it's quite easy. Target and shoot. Just don't think about anything the other one might think while you're doing that. Besides, what would this game be when there wouldn't be any pirates? Dull at least.
And considering the one managed to infiltrate the pirate corp and to steal a lot of things, well he did a good job. No one ever said every pirate has a real one... Just don't let any newbie characters get into high positions too fast when you've annoyed a lot of people. They might take it personal, although it never should be... at least from my point of view.
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Shian Achura
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Posted - 2006.04.12 11:53:00 -
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Our CEO has two hangars set to read-only, even for his admirals... In there are all corp bpo's... A good way to avoid theft I think...
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Katana Seiko
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Posted - 2006.04.12 12:58:00 -
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It was intended to work like that... :)
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Drew Peacock
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Posted - 2006.04.12 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Shian Achura Our CEO has two hangars set to read-only, even for his admirals... In there are all corp bpo's... A good way to avoid theft I think...
I lub u and all the other peeps that make the job of a corp thief so much easier.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2006.04.12 15:53:00 -
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As Supreme Judge of Morality I hereby declare this course of action to be justified and moral by universal standards. You may execute your plan without any hesitation what-so-ever.
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Turmion Morder
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Posted - 2006.04.12 16:12:00 -
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Its still technically stealing but they're pirates so they dont have a right to complain. What goes around comes around.
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Uggster
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Posted - 2006.04.12 16:29:00 -
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Why are so many people wondering if it's a good thing to do what they started out to do ?
Morality should be kept out of the computer world and people who agonise over choices concerning it are not getting the reason behind MMORG's.
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Superbus Maximus
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Posted - 2006.04.12 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Bjornolf
This is directed to all the non-pirate Corps out there. Scenario: Anti-pirate infiltrates a pirate guild. Not a big guild, small one, and manages to work their way up into the upper echelon. Pirate corp joins an alliance, war ensues with another alliance. Infiltrator manages to steal everything out of the Corp hanger, generous enough to leave some stuff behind.
Result: Damages the ability of the pirate Corp to conduct their "illegal" and immoral operations.
Justified? Or wrong regardless of the case?
Discuss.
Immoral... its a game friend, these items are not real, if you cry about lost virtual items you are a sad sad individual so I see nothing immoral about pirating stealing killing in a game, just have fun with it
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Katana Seiko
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Posted - 2006.04.15 07:30:00 -
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Originally by: Bjornolf
This is directed to all the non-pirate Corps out there. Scenario: Anti-pirate infiltrates a pirate guild. Not a big guild, small one, and manages to work their way up into the upper echelon. Pirate corp joins an alliance, war ensues with another alliance. Infiltrator manages to steal everything out of the Corp hanger, generous enough to leave some stuff behind.
Result: Damages the ability of the pirate Corp to conduct their "illegal" and immoral operations.
Justified? Or wrong regardless of the case?
Discuss.
Well, this kills about any "fun" in the corp... But on the other hand... Being killed by a pirate is no fun either... I'd say it's okay to do that
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.04.16 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: DeathGrip Why is there like 6 Corp Thief topics going on first page of Crime and Punishment, normally its macro miners, why hacs are to expensive and why its to easy to gank.
I never see HAC price whine threads in Crime and Punishment, and I'm on these forums alot...
Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined.
RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran |
Siren Shiva
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Posted - 2006.04.16 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Katana Seiko
Well, this kills about any "fun" in the corp... But on the other hand... Being killed by a pirate is no fun either... I'd say it's okay to do that
Pirate corps are about PvP, not about amassing soandso many minerals, ships and BPOs. Thus you won't kill their fun by stealing the random bits of dead-carebear-loot they have in their hangars.
Lyticus > I freaking hate you! Siren Shiva > I love you too <3 Trey > Siren sounds like she could kick my ass on Vent
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.04.16 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Viceroy As Supreme Judge of Morality I hereby declare this course of action to be justified and moral by universal standards. You may execute your plan without any hesitation what-so-ever.
/me hopes the guy doesn't have a char in Evolution, for Viceroy's sake.
Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined.
RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran |
Ashelth
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Posted - 2006.04.18 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ayame Mishima Hmm... it's quite easy. Target and shoot. Just don't think about anything the other one might think while you're doing that. Besides, what would this game be when there wouldn't be any pirates? Dull at least.
More people out in 0.0 where the fights are more interesting and the targets harder to kill? :D
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