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Techpriest Arcterran
Alpha LLC
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Posted - 2014.02.17 01:19:00 -
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o/
I'm nearing that magical 5 million SP point - seemingly the lowest rung of experience where many PvP corps will consider a new player. Granted, those 5 million aren't specialized, but my curiosity is piquing in regards to PvP.
Where does the EvE community suggest a new player go for PvP?
Join a null sec corp?
Red vs. Blue?
Low sec piracy?
Faction warfare?
Solo cheap frig/cruiser roaming?
Other?
I'm not dead set on full time PvP, just weighing the options right now. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
3693
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Posted - 2014.02.17 01:34:00 -
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Techpriest Arcterran wrote:o/
I'm nearing that magical 5 million SP point - seemingly the lowest rung of experience where many PvP corps will consider a new player.
Wrong.
5 mil SP limit is in place to keep out obvious and lazy spies.
Even less then 1 mil SP characters can be accepted in the corp, if they show during recruitment that they got the correct attitude (willing to learn, be friendly, etc.)
Just because you have met the minimum skill threshold, doesn't mean they will let you in. There is much more stuff that is way more important during recruitment.
Techpriest Arcterran wrote:
Where does the EvE community suggest a new player go for PvP?
Join a null sec corp?
Red vs. Blue?
Low sec piracy?
Faction warfare?
Solo cheap frig/cruiser roaming?
Other?
I'm not dead set on full time PvP, just weighing the options right now.
Well, you kind of listed 99.9% of them.
Other...
* NPC null-sec.
* Wormholes
* Join public fleets.
Personally, I prefer the last one I entered. You join fleets when you want to PvP, outside of that you can do what ever you like to do.
2 more well known regular public fleets are:
* RvB Ganked - Null-sec roaming with good people under the guidance of Mangala on Saturdays.
* Sunday Sinners - Null-sec roam hosted by Redemption Road on Sundays
There are of course other public PvP events hosted at random times that you can join.
Also, if you are new to PvP, you might want to check in on Agony Unleashed and their PvP Uni classes. Most specifically their next BASIC class that suits your timezone. It's a class + roam and will get you updated with the basics about PvP.
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with.
Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Miriya Zakalwe
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
76
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Posted - 2014.02.17 01:37:00 -
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FW worked for me, until it didn't when I realized I wanted to awox the entire militia chat channel; now a lowsec corp is perfect for me. Having a great time. YMMV. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
4892
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Posted - 2014.02.17 01:37:00 -
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Well... for starters... you don't absolutely NEED to have a lot of skillpoints to PvP in a basic fashion. You just have to be able to fit a Microwarpdrive and Warp Disruptor or Warp Scrambler.
Second... I'm going to assume that you don't have much ISK and/or income... so I would suggest sticking to "cheap" stuff for the time being (at least until you get your bearings and/or a stable income).
Third... what kind of PvP would you want to partake in?
- Solo combat is very hard for a newbie, but not impossible. You just need a large working knowledge of different ships, fits, and tactics (i.e. know what/when to engage and what/when to run away).
- Small gangs would require you to think more on your feet but would allow you to operate and be mentored more closely by willing peers. You just have to learn fast.
- Fleet combat is fairly easy... just understand the basic mechanics and EVE user interface, then follow orders. Fits and sometimes ships will be provided if you can fly them. You can learn things from this form of combat if you watch and listen closely.
Fourth... don't pay TOO much attention to skillpoint requirements for joining corporations. They are there to scare off the general rabble and/or to screen out people who may not understand too much about basic EVE mechanics. The trick is to talk to someone directly and show that you have some working knowledge of the game and that you are willing to learn.
Fifth... sometimes the best corps to join are not the ones advertised. Just go out to different areas and "play with the locals." If you show promise and/or fit in to their "cool kids club" they may invite you to join.
With that said...
- null-sec corps/alliances are generally big on "big fleet" type operations (20-30+ size groups). They can be bureaucratic and "cold" to the bottom rung players until you can befriend different people "higher up on the ladder" and earn their trust.
- Red vs. Blue (Red Federation versus Blue Republic) is basically "PvP on demand." Nothing is really expected of you besides a willingness to fight and die. Sometimes they may have joint operations and little tournaments... but besides that it's fairly casual.
- Low-sec piracy and Faction Warfare both exist in low-sec. You can get a whole range of people and corporations here... some bad... some good... some VERY bad. Combat is typically "solo" to "small gang" type warfare with very few restrictions and you may experience some null-sec type organization... but it's FAR more casual than operating in an actual null-sec corporation.
edit: holy wall of text batman! Did I really write that much?
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Barabas Steerpike
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.02.17 02:59:00 -
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Techpriest Arcterran wrote:
I'm nearing that magical 5 million SP point - seemingly the lowest rung of experience where many PvP corps will consider a new player. Granted, those 5 million aren't specialized, but my curiosity is piquing in regards to PvP.
Where does the EvE community suggest a new player go for PvP?
Brave Newbies has a place for you. Come fly bravely 7o
Cheers
B. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
3693
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Posted - 2014.02.17 03:28:00 -
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Barabas Steerpike wrote:Techpriest Arcterran wrote:
I'm nearing that magical 5 million SP point - seemingly the lowest rung of experience where many PvP corps will consider a new player. Granted, those 5 million aren't specialized, but my curiosity is piquing in regards to PvP.
Where does the EvE community suggest a new player go for PvP?
**Covert recruitment still stays recruitment and is thus not allowed**
See my edit.
Already edited out so that ISD doesn't have to alter 2 replies.
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with.
Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples
League of Infamy
423
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Posted - 2014.02.17 03:47:00 -
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As well as Agony Unleashed and RvB, there is also Eve Uni and, as mentioned above, Brave Newbies.
A good way of learning PvP is not only listening to FC's but also questioning them afterwards as to why they did it that specific way, how and why they picked targets etc.
Another way, and you will find most people who kill you will be politely enough to mail you back, is to mail the people who kill you (or convo them) asking how you could have done better or asking them about your ship fitting etc.
Use every possible advantage you can get.
As for where to PvP... EVERYWHERE! Let Eve be your canvas that you paim red with the blood of your foes! Lmao just kidding, but on a serious note, PvP everywhere. Get a feel for all the places to PvP, you might find you like one area of space better than somewhere else...
Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2059
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Posted - 2014.02.17 05:04:00 -
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One place you might not have thought of is in highsec, within corporations that don't have an emphasis on PVP.
When you join a player corp, you can legally attack your corpmates in highsec without CONCORD intervention. This creates opportunities for a newbie to find 'friends', lead them down a dark alley, and mug them.
Even with a vast skillpoint gap between you and your prey, you can often catch them unprepared with a ship that is a perfect counter to theirs.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318489 - Proposal for a new type of tech 2 Destroyer
If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Techpriest Arcterran
Alpha LLC
21
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Posted - 2014.02.17 06:58:00 -
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Thank you for the responses!
I never considered t he 5 million SP rule for weeding out spies, always something in this game.
I'm leery of low sec, only because I don't want to dump my security status and then be locked from the cozy womb of high sec some day. Have my cake and eat it too? I'd be willing if I knew that I could bail on high sec and never have to look back. I guess this will be the wisdom I earn down the road.
I'm most interested in small gang and fleet stuff. Null sec is an odd beast, I haven't figured it out yet. Brave Newbies and the other training corps sound like my best first step.
Thanks again all. Much appreciated! |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2059
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Posted - 2014.02.17 07:59:00 -
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Techpriest Arcterran wrote:Thank you for the responses!
I never considered t he 5 million SP rule for weeding out spies, always something in this game.
I'm leery of low sec, only because I don't want to dump my security status and then be locked from the cozy womb of high sec some day. Have my cake and eat it too? I'd be willing if I knew that I could bail on high sec and never have to look back. I guess this will be the wisdom I earn down the road.
I'm most interested in small gang and fleet stuff. Null sec is an odd beast, I haven't figured it out yet. Brave Newbies and the other training corps sound like my best first step.
Thanks again all. Much appreciated!
Re the sec status concern.
If you live in lowsec and do not illegally aggress pods, your sec status will most likely go up over time. Aggressing a player ship illegally in lowsec will cost you about the sec status you gain from 15 minutes of shooting NPC ships (assuming you get a battleship rat in most 5 minute intervals). Aggressing a pod will cost you 2-3 hours of sec gains.
Stay above -2 and you have complete highsec access. Stay above -5 and you have partial. Drop under -5 and highsec becomes super dangerous.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318489 - Proposal for a new type of tech 2 Destroyer
If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
3694
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Posted - 2014.02.17 13:38:00 -
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Techpriest Arcterran wrote:Thank you for the responses!
I never considered t he 5 million SP rule for weeding out spies, always something in this game.
I'm leery of low sec, only because I don't want to dump my security status and then be locked from the cozy womb of high sec some day. Have my cake and eat it too? I'd be willing if I knew that I could bail on high sec and never have to look back. I guess this will be the wisdom I earn down the road.
I'm most interested in small gang and fleet stuff. Null sec is an odd beast, I haven't figured it out yet. Brave Newbies and the other training corps sound like my best first step.
Thanks again all. Much appreciated!
Join public nullsec roams.
No sec status loss in null and plenty of good fights because you arent blue to over half the people there.
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with.
Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1221
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Posted - 2014.02.17 17:07:00 -
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Recruitment advertisement is not permitted in NC Q&A. I have cleaned up a couple of posts breaking that rule.
ISD LackOfFaith
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
@ISD_LackOfFaith on Twitter |
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Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
424
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Posted - 2014.02.17 19:52:00 -
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Techpriest Arcterran wrote:I'm not dead set on full time PvP, just weighing the options right now. If you aren't dead set on full time PvP, I'd advise against Red vs Blue and Brave Newbies. Both of these corps are involved in several wars, which means that people can attack you in high-sec, without CONCORD intervening, making PvE difficult. Difficult doesn't mean impossible though and if you watch local you should be able to flee and switch ships when a war target appears in the system. (OTOH, you can easily leave and rejoin those corps when you want to PvE for a few days.)
FW is a bit easier to do part-time. Even though you are also involved in a war, you can usually still do PvE in friendly high sec, as the faction navy will hunt down war targets. However, the faction navy is not CONCORD and some players still hunt PvEers in enemy space, so keep watching local. But it's a much rarer occurrence than e.g. RvB war targets.
Solo roaming null or low is really difficult and I would not advise it to a new player, you need a lot of experience and skill points to pull it of.
If you just want to dabble into PvP from time to time, joining public null roams (as suggested by J'Poll) could be a nice starting step. Those are usually mid-size roams (30-60 people), which are a bit different from small gang roams (<10) and huge battles. It'll also show you how to navigate null-sec. And Agony's PvP class is definitely a good idea, whatever you end up doing later. |
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