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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.04.12 14:11:00 -
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As it stands the Phoon is the most bastard BS of all, even after the proposed changes it will still have split bonuses and end up being less than impressive.
Being still largely a armor tank gun boat it doesnt give much room for the new Tier 3 BS.
I propose dropping the projectile bonus on the Phoon and turning it into a bonus to explosive missiles, and giveing Phoon 5 missile slots.
It still wont be the best missile ship, but it would be ok and it wouldbe an armor tanker to differentiate it from the Raven
The Raven would still do more misile damage because it would not only have more missile slots it would also have room for BCUs.
That would allow the the Teir 3 BS to be an armor tanking gun ship. It should have a bonus to tracking and a bonus to damage.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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6Bagheera9
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Posted - 2006.04.12 15:06:00 -
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/signed
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2006.04.12 15:24:00 -
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5% to all missle damage, 10% to velocity on the phoon with 5 launchers would own.
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Orvy
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Posted - 2006.04.12 15:40:00 -
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/signed
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Al Haquis
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Posted - 2006.04.12 15:45:00 -
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Do you never stop?
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Chode Rizoum
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Posted - 2006.04.12 16:01:00 -
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i whould so love to fly a typhoon.. but meh.... mini dominix atm :P
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OrangeAfroMan
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Posted - 2006.04.12 16:56:00 -
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Totally agreed with OP and post #3
 Originally by: Slink Grinsdikild
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.12 17:02:00 -
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wait.. you want to give it 2 missile damage bonuses?
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Kuentai
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Posted - 2006.04.12 17:04:00 -
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Its probably not going to change other than the new missile bonus. But as long as they keep 4 gun slots, I don't care.
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smallgreenblur
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Posted - 2006.04.12 17:07:00 -
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I'd quite like to see a gun/missile rof as one bonus and maybe a 5% per level speed bonus as the other, should bring it in line with the other bs in my opinion. However might as well see what it flies like with 4 dual 425s and 4 cruise launchers first... i guess...
sgb
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2006.04.12 17:07:00 -
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I vote no. Unless you're trying to turn the 'phoon into a superior raven, this idea will just make the raven pretty much pointless. The reason? The phoon still has midslots left to play with after fitting a tank; it can fit things like webs and afterburners that the raven just does not have the midslots for.
The mixed projctile/missile bonus mentioned by Tuxford seems to me to be a more balanced approach, not to mention the proper one for a Minmatar ship.
-Wrayeth
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sonho
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Posted - 2006.04.12 17:32:00 -
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Not signed if you want missile pwanage go for ravens ,it is starting to grow on me missilephobia on minmatar ships.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.04.12 18:05:00 -
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I specifically didnt wanT pure missile "pwnage".
The Phoon would only have 5 misiles slots(it could still keep 4 open to guns too.) I would still be a a mixed ship that seriously depended on drones. And required several guns if you wanted to approach Raven damage.
I didnt mean for 2 dmage bonuses though. I should have said one bbonus to explosive and one to missile speed. I specifically went for explosive because thats a step down from the Ravens all around bonuses.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Spektral
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Posted - 2006.04.12 18:55:00 -
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perhaps a slightly different tack on Tier 3. We have a arty boat (tempest) , a hybrid Boat (typhoon). What if the 3rd BS is optimised for Close Range work similar to a Blaster thron.
19 total slots to keep in line with other top ranked BS.
ship bonus
+5 % to damage per BS level, Plus 10% tracking per level
7 high slots (6 turret 1 launcher)
7 mids (Shield Tanking allows for Higher DPS absorbed then Armor)
5 lows
Base speed 160 m/s
Cap - 5000
Cap recharge - 850 second recharge
Shield base HP - 6500
shield regen - 1800 seconds
Armor - 4300
Structure - 4000
scan res - 125 mm
targetting range - 60 km
drone bay 75 m^3
PG - 12000
CPU - 575
This would generate a very efficient close range boat, Ability to mount a very strong shield tank with the max ability to tank of a AB + booster plus amp + 4 hardener or 3 hardner and web.
With the lack of low slots Damage mods would not be a likely addition to ship, PDU 2 and shield relays would be a more likely module. standard Minnie Sheild resists
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Please comment, but try to keep the BBQ down, its just a proposal.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.04.12 19:05:00 -
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Im pretty sure the next Minm boat will armor tank. I personally prefer shield tanks, but I know a lot of Minm dont. Since the Tempest is a shield tank ussually, its pretty clear the new boat will be an armor tank.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Jet Collins
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Posted - 2006.04.12 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
This would allow the the Tier 3 BS to be an armor tanking gun ship. It should have a bonus to tracking, and a bonus to damage.
**Cough Machariel
As for the Phoon I belvie it was a post by a Dev somewhere that the only change coming to the phoon is that it will be losing its Falloff Bonuse for a Launcher RoF bonuse. No other changes.
As for the Tier 3 BS. I have an assumption from infomation I have seen on the 100's of post on this supject and the responces I have seen is that it will be a 8 turret boat with more ablity to shield tank not armor tank. But since there is nothing finaly on this...months away as far as I know its bound to change.
Jet
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Pojo
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Posted - 2006.04.12 19:32:00 -
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Anyone have any ides on what skills would be required to fly the new ships? I would like to start heading in the right direction to be ready when they do come out.
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.04.12 19:39:00 -
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Battleship lvl 3 if they follow standard convention. Battleship level 5 if they follow the right path. They will also probably put limitations on copy times to these ships similar to that of a carrier and the BPO will probably run 1.4 bil or so. I don't expect to see 10 1 run copy spams on escrow with these new beasts. You could also argue they might require mechanic lvl 5 to use too, but you'd want that anyway.
Originally by: "Oveur"
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Jet Collins
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Posted - 2006.04.12 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Battleship level 5 if they follow the right path.
What path is that? My guess would be lvl 3 BS skill, and maybe other skills like Gunnary, Machanic and so on like you said, but i wouldn't think BS lvl 5 unless I misunderstood you.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.04.12 19:49:00 -
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Go away with your cheap raven copy ideas.
Cruises do not maky much sense on it because of the short sensor range, so it is a torp boat. Fitting siege launchers, guns and an armor tank is exactly what isn't working overly well, especially when you consider that it needs twice the number of weapon and damage support modules for equal effects.
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