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ZeroDay
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Posted - 2006.04.13 05:03:00 -
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You place in the can what appears to be a portion of veldspar for example - but its a masked bomb which you can remote detinate!
So the lame thief steals what they think is ore, and you blow them up 
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Isabella Montague
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Posted - 2006.04.13 06:10:00 -
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Nope.
You can blow them up as is it.
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Yamimoto Nocamina
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Posted - 2006.04.13 07:40:00 -
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How can an almost defenseless mining barge blow them up "as it is"?
By aiming your mining lasers at them and then draining the minerals outta their ship's hull?
Or by having an escort? That would certainly void the whole point of giving miners a new self defense tool, wouldn't it?
Besides, he said "blow them up", but why take that as an "insta-pop"?. A small damage surprise wouldn't be bad and would keep some otherwise impune thieves on their toes, too.
Not a bad idea to even make a skill outta it: "Booby Trapping". It even makes sense that after the countless robbery attemps that happen in Eve every day, some science guy would come up with such a plan.
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ragewind
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Posted - 2006.04.13 19:09:00 -
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Edited by: ragewind on 13/04/2006 19:09:33
 Originally by: Isabella Montague
Nope.
You can blow them up as is it.
i ask you how in a mining barge? love the idea could have diferant bombs also like an emp lockdown bomb that grownds the ship for 5 minets shuting it down so you can get your **** and come and distroy it
fix eves industrial sector!
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Galifardeua
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Posted - 2006.04.13 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: ragewind
i ask you how in a mining barge?
Friends and/or drones. Changing your ship after the thefth is a better option, though.
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ragewind
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Posted - 2006.04.14 00:32:00 -
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Edited by: ragewind on 14/04/2006 00:37:08
drones V a bs lol rolf come on stop it its too funny and corps are not around all the time being a world wide game pluss no one thinks they need 3 BS to garde a mining player in 0.9 space
this only add a risk to the ore thife profetion so its nothing that will cripel the game
fix eves industrial sector!
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Drizit
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Posted - 2006.04.14 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Galifardeua
Friends and/or drones. Changing your ship after the thefth is a better option, though.
1. Friends - Ok unless you are mining solo in Empire.
2. Drones - Let me know what drones (even 5 at a time with noobish drone skills) can pop an indy before it goes into warp and I'll give you that point.
3. Change ships - You are in a barge. By the time you get back to the station to change ships, the thief is about 2 systems away or sitting happily counting their newly aquired isk in a station or safespot and effectively untouchable until the timer runs out. Barge = 2 minutes to cover the 15km to the station to dock then 20 seconds delay after docking to change ships.
Once a thief has activated the timer, they don't usually stick around long enough to see if you have friends to help you or whether you are going to set your drones on them. They certainly are not going to sit in a belt for 5 minutes more while you go get your other ship unless they are really dumb. Their usual course of action is dock and a smart ore thief has instas from every local belt to a station to make sure they can't be caught even if followed. 15 minutes later they emerge from the station and can't be touched.
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Ritt Serras
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Posted - 2006.04.14 00:46:00 -
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Simple. Don't mine into jettison cans. Then they can't steal your ore.
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Drakus
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Posted - 2006.04.14 02:02:00 -
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1) don't mine alone into a jet can
2) don't mine alone into a jet can
3) Don't mine alone into a get can
There ya go. 3 ways to prevent your ore from being stolen.
but really
1) Don't mine alone in a jet can
2) Find a system with few'er people around (you can usually find a .8, .9 system a little ways off the beaten track that you can solo-mine into a can)
3) Mine with a friend
4) get yourself to one end of the belt, make an insta to the station from that belt and then back (so when you warp back to the belt you are right on-top of your can). that way, you see an ore theif in the belt, you can warp out, and get back to you ore faster then they can get to your can.
Those are some real idea's of how to fix your problem.
If you don't want to do any of those, then i guess your screwed.
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ragewind
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Posted - 2006.04.14 23:59:00 -
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ok stop moaning about jet can mining
1) secure cans cost far more than there size makes them worth.
2) if all miners stop jetcaning the minerals suply will soon dry up in empire as it will take 4X as long to get any mining done
3) you have just made ore thifes a thing of the past if everone stops so you have removed a job some pepole chose from the game.
not like we are asking for a nuke in the can just something that has an afect and increases the risk as we all know a mining barge v a desent ship is no contest so an emp shut dowm booby trap deveice would alow it to be come a firer fight ect
this idea will not unbalence the game so just conside the idea dont just try killing it
fix eves industrial sector!
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Isabella Montague
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Posted - 2006.04.15 01:49:00 -
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Originally by: ragewind
ok stop moaning about jet can mining
1) secure cans cost far more than there size makes them worth.
2) if all miners stop jetcaning the minerals suply will soon dry up in empire as it will take 4X as long to get any mining done
3) you have just made ore thifes a thing of the past if everone stops so you have removed a job some pepole chose from the game.
not like we are asking for a nuke in the can just something that has an afect and increases the risk as we all know a mining barge v a desent ship is no contest so an emp shut dowm booby trap deveice would alow it to be come a firer fight ect
this idea will not unbalence the game so just conside the idea dont just try killing it
Lol you tell people to stop whining about jetcan mining, yet you're whining about people taking your ore.
You choose to jetcan mine, so you choose to run the risks. The risks are that someone might come along and steal your ore.
Think of Eve as the old west. Sure there's a sherrif (concord), but he can't protect you from everything. It's up to you to defend yourself and your assests. If you fail to do that, well too bad.
If CCP gives you the "booby trap", then ore thiefs are going to demand something to combat it. Then you'll be whining again because the theifs always counter your booby trap and are stealing your ore.
Giving a boobytrap for the cans would unbalance the game because everyone would use it. Not to mention the fact that it'd help macrominers too. It's always fun (and profitable) to rob from them.
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James Duar
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Posted - 2006.04.15 02:44:00 -
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Thieves are a high-sec danger. Move to .5 somewhere with drones and you won't be harrassed, and the ore is richer. Ideally find a nice backwater system to do it in.
Much as I hate thieves, the game would lose something w/o them (this doesn't mean if I can I'm not going to gank that indy).
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JafoPBCFR
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Posted - 2006.04.15 04:24:00 -
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Actully I like the idea of a Booby trap. i know the ore thiefs dont like the loseing their easy nonthreat Payoffs. I dunno a Limpet Mine defence system. Steal can. I let loose with a few Limpet mines. Ruin your day. You steal my ore. Ruin my day. Win Win!
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Kittamaru
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Posted - 2006.04.15 04:37:00 -
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Originally by: Drizit
Originally by: Galifardeua
Friends and/or drones. Changing your ship after the thefth is a better option, though.
1. Friends - Ok unless you are mining solo in Empire.
2. Drones - Let me know what drones (even 5 at a time with noobish drone skills) can pop an indy before it goes into warp and I'll give you that point.
3. Change ships - You are in a barge. By the time you get back to the station to change ships, the thief is about 2 systems away or sitting happily counting their newly aquired isk in a station or safespot and effectively untouchable until the timer runs out. Barge = 2 minutes to cover the 15km to the station to dock then 20 seconds delay after docking to change ships.
Once a thief has activated the timer, they don't usually stick around long enough to see if you have friends to help you or whether you are going to set your drones on them. They certainly are not going to sit in a belt for 5 minutes more while you go get your other ship unless they are really dumb. Their usual course of action is dock and a smart ore thief has instas from every local belt to a station to make sure they can't be caught even if followed. 15 minutes later they emerge from the station and can't be touched.
Actually, if it's an indy, it's not too hard.
My retriever can fit a Scrambler (only one though) if I put a quantum comp in the othe low slot.
If they could use one or two sentry drones though...
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Hariya
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Posted - 2006.04.20 15:03:00 -
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If anything like this gets ever implemented they have to balance it so that we can booby trap asteroids too. Blowing up the silly covetors and others trying to mine them. Ha. And yes, without getting security status hit even in 1.0. That's essential.
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Tehyarec
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Posted - 2006.04.20 15:41:00 -
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Edited by: Tehyarec on 20/04/2006 15:41:37
What needs to be implemented is a permanent instant account ban for ore thieves 
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Drizit
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Posted - 2006.04.20 17:39:00 -
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And get Concord to gank them miners for popping them poor little rocks  .
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Mighty Dread
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Posted - 2006.04.20 19:55:00 -
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I like the idea of booby trapped cans too. Somethin with a webber that slows the offending ship down to a crawl for 4-5 min is great.
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ragewind
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Posted - 2006.04.20 23:31:00 -
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yes i really like this idea adds risk and ballance to the game sort of an emp change would be nice boom no warp drice and speed peniltys like that of having a cloake on
fix eves industrial sector!
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