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Captain DrunkBucket Captain DrunkBucket's School of Intoxicated Flying 16	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:48:00 - [1] - Quote why was moonmining prohibited in highsec and w-Space??
Ria Nieyli 1325	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:51:00 - [2] - Quote why not Posting to confirm that I can post.
Captain DrunkBucket Captain DrunkBucket's School of Intoxicated Flying 16	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:51:00 - [3] - Quote again, why?
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech 973	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:52:00 - [4] - Quote I still wish all the W-space moons had been seeded as R64's with the current limitations. Mashie Saldana Dominique Vasilkovsky
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 19473	Posted - 2014.02.19 12:55:00 - [5] - Quote Captain DrunkBucket wrote: why was moonmining prohibited in highsec and w-Space?? Because null (and low) needed something of their own. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1.
Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Casoff 2514	Posted - 2014.02.19 14:17:00 - [6] - Quote also the prices of goo'd tank after all the 'what i mine is free' carebear crowd put up indestructible starbases making mining the same minerals pointless anywhere else
March rabbit Federal Defense Union 1221	Posted - 2014.02.19 14:18:00 - [7] - Quote Captain DrunkBucket wrote: why was moonmining prohibited in highsec and w-Space?? because of goons obviously The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Captain DrunkBucket Captain DrunkBucket's School of Intoxicated Flying 18	Posted - 2014.02.19 17:12:00 - [8] - Quote March rabbit wrote: Captain DrunkBucket wrote: why was moonmining prohibited in highsec and w-Space?? because of goons obviously So goons have the Power to bitchslap CCP around to set the rules in the favor of themselves??
Mario Putzo Welping and Dunking. 309	Posted - 2014.02.19 17:16:00 - [9] - Quote Moon mining shouldn't be a thing anyway. Passive Income is bad for the game.
DaReaper Net 7 The Last Brigade 167	Posted - 2014.02.19 17:18:00 - [10] - Quote When wormhole space came out they were not intended to be colonized, CCP figured you would go in, **** the sites and move on. To help reduce the urge to colonize they made the anoms spawn slower if you are in the system as opposed to if you are not. And made it so you could not get sov. They also made he moons barren because people were worried about pos' that could not be destroyed milking valuable moons. So to placate this worry, ccp made the moons barren. You can mine them, with moon miners, but as the moons have no ore...
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 10344	Posted - 2014.02.19 17:29:00 - [11] - Quote Since all moon mining threads inevitably end up the same way, ill go ahead and say "GRRRRRRR GOOOONS!" and get it over with. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Twenty Five Percent School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.02.19 17:31:00 - [12] - Quote Captain DrunkBucket wrote: why was moonmining prohibited in highsec and w-Space?? Because highsec is too safe for such income
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 4891	Posted - 2014.02.19 17:33:00 - [13] - Quote A better question: Why is moon minerals seeded on 0.4 moons but the moon harvester can only be anchored in 0.3 and lower? .
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 10344	Posted - 2014.02.19 17:34:00 - [14] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: A better question: Why is moon minerals seeded on 0.4 moons but the moon harvester can only be anchored in 0.3 and lower? Because CCP troll is best troll. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Notorious Fellon Republic University Minmatar Republic 229	Posted - 2014.02.19 17:39:00 - [15] - Quote Mario Putzo wrote: Moon mining shouldn't be a thing anyway. Passive Income is bad for the game. This X 1000.
Batelle Komm susser Tod 1832	Posted - 2014.02.19 17:45:00 - [16] - Quote CCP probably figured they'd be too hard to destroy. Or CCP figured that given the large number of w-space systems, it would devalue the value of moon minerals (grr nullsec cartels). Or possibly it never even occurred to them in the first place that people would live there and want to mine them, so they never seeded the moons, just on a whim. Marlona Sky wrote: A better question: Why is moon minerals seeded on 0.4 moons but the moon harvester can only be anchored in 0.3 and lower? Because seeding all moons takes exactly 0 additional effort beyond only seeding 0.3 and lower. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Frostys Virpio IRS Fraud 1011	Posted - 2014.02.19 18:55:00 - [17] - Quote Batelle wrote: CCP probably figured they'd be too hard to destroy. Or CCP figured that given the large number of w-space systems, it would devalue the value of moon minerals (grr nullsec cartels). Or possibly it never even occurred to them in the first place that people would live there and want to mine them, so they never seeded the moons, just on a whim. Marlona Sky wrote: A better question: Why is moon minerals seeded on 0.4 moons but the moon harvester can only be anchored in 0.3 and lower? Because seeding all moons takes exactly 0 additional effort beyond only seeding 0.3 and lower. Are the 0.5 and up seeded or not? If not, probably mean it was planned to work from 0.4 and down and then a decision was made to only allow 0.3 and down.
Lugia3 Emerald Inc. 843	Posted - 2014.02.19 19:12:00 - [18] - Quote Captain DrunkBucket wrote: March rabbit wrote: Captain DrunkBucket wrote: why was moonmining prohibited in highsec and w-Space?? because of goons obviously So goons have the Power to bitchslap CCP around to set the rules in the favor of themselves?? Grr Goons. "CCP Dolan is full of ****." - CCP Bettik
Alaekessa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 140	Posted - 2014.02.19 19:45:00 - [19] - Quote Mario Putzo wrote: Moon mining shouldn't be a thing anyway. Passive Income is bad for the game. At least in Eve we need to process it and then ship it to market to make our iskies, effort beyond simply defending our towers is required. Not so in Dust, there it is just capture district, sit on district until clone limit is reached, rake in iskies. It is the closest to risk free Isk there is in New Eden. I mean, even Station Traders need to worry about the Margin Trading "scam". Suicide gankers need to lose a ship by definition, gate campers take the risk of being blobbed and losing their ships. Don't even get me started on the risks associated with mining. I can't think of a single Isk generating method in Eve that doesn't require vastly more risk than PC does in Dust, it is appalling and leads people to believe that New Eden is a Welfare State. I put quotes around scam because I think it is perfectly fine, if you are that much of a greedy moron to go blindly into something that is obviously too good to be true, well, you deserved to be stuck with the worthless items that you paid far too much for. MCRMI Now Recruiting for Minmatar FW and General Merc Work
Muestereate Minions LLC 173	Posted - 2014.02.19 19:48:00 - [20] - Quote Maybe I should make another thread but why bother. I haven't shopped goo components and whatnot for a while. How sthe new goon monopoly treating the market. Is there anything they don't control and are its markets behaving any different?
Alaekessa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 140	Posted - 2014.02.19 19:49:00 - [21] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Batelle wrote: CCP probably figured they'd be too hard to destroy. Or CCP figured that given the large number of w-space systems, it would devalue the value of moon minerals (grr nullsec cartels). Or possibly it never even occurred to them in the first place that people would live there and want to mine them, so they never seeded the moons, just on a whim. Marlona Sky wrote: A better question: Why is moon minerals seeded on 0.4 moons but the moon harvester can only be anchored in 0.3 and lower? Because seeding all moons takes exactly 0 additional effort beyond only seeding 0.3 and lower. Are the 0.5 and up seeded or not? If not, probably mean it was planned to work from 0.4 and down and then a decision was made to only allow 0.3 and down. We had a high-sec tower a while back and yes, our moon in a 0.6 was seeded. It wasn't anything special, but it was seeded. On the topic of 0.4's being seeded but not able to anchor harvesters, I think it would be cool if we could anchor harvesters in a 0.4 though have it be some form of criminal activity. Catalyzes more conflict and gives those willing to take the risk the opportunity to make some extra cash. IDK how the "criminal activity" part of it would be handled, but I am sure it would create more conflict and emergent gameplay. MCRMI Now Recruiting for Minmatar FW and General Merc Work
Little Dragon Khamez Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition 1063	Posted - 2014.02.19 20:00:00 - [22] - Quote Captain DrunkBucket wrote: why was moonmining prohibited in highsec and w-Space?? because null sec tears and whine.... You can here the null bears whining on d-scan. It's like whale song. Haunting yet beautiful. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Spurty Dimension Door 1222	Posted - 2014.02.19 20:09:00 - [23] - Quote Grrrr Moons!! Talk about a dumb idea. Remove harvester pos and replace with mining ships *signature is not allowed on the EVE Online forums*
Captain DrunkBucket Captain DrunkBucket's School of Intoxicated Flying 18	Posted - 2014.02.19 20:20:00 - [24] - Quote Spurty wrote: Grrrr Moons!! Talk about a dumb idea. Remove harvester pos and replace with mining ships okay, problemsolving.... when an alliance gets to much Power, they get attacked by a npc Power. Goons holds area around Dread Guristas. Ergo a full out invasion from the guristas, which splits up the goons alliance. gurista claims some New Territory, shuts Down trade, mining and posses. Goons loose their monolopy and all Goons haters gets happy ;D
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 4894	Posted - 2014.02.19 21:38:00 - [25] - Quote Captain DrunkBucket wrote: Spurty wrote: Grrrr Moons!! Talk about a dumb idea. Remove harvester pos and replace with mining ships okay, problemsolving.... when an alliance gets to much Power, they get attacked by a npc Power. Goons holds area around Dread Guristas. Ergo a full out invasion from the guristas, which splits up the goons alliance. gurista claims some New Territory, shuts Down trade, mining and posses. Goons loose their monolopy and all Goons haters gets happy ;D Those evil monopoly guys hate the Siphon. Get some and take the goo for yourself. .
Loraine Gess Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists 93	Posted - 2014.02.19 21:51:00 - [26] - Quote DaReaper wrote: When wormhole space came out they were not intended to be colonized, CCP figured you would go in, **** the sites and move on. To help reduce the urge to colonize they made the anoms spawn slower if you are in the system as opposed to if you are not. And made it so you could not get sov. They also made he moons barren because people were worried about pos' that could not be destroyed milking valuable moons. So to placate this worry, ccp made the moons barren. You can mine them, with moon miners, but as the moons have no ore... Please source your anom claims or gtfo
Loraine Gess Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists 93	Posted - 2014.02.19 21:57:00 - [27] - Quote Alaekessa wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: Batelle wrote: CCP probably figured they'd be too hard to destroy. Or CCP figured that given the large number of w-space systems, it would devalue the value of moon minerals (grr nullsec cartels). Or possibly it never even occurred to them in the first place that people would live there and want to mine them, so they never seeded the moons, just on a whim. Marlona Sky wrote: A better question: Why is moon minerals seeded on 0.4 moons but the moon harvester can only be anchored in 0.3 and lower? Because seeding all moons takes exactly 0 additional effort beyond only seeding 0.3 and lower. Are the 0.5 and up seeded or not? If not, probably mean it was planned to work from 0.4 and down and then a decision was made to only allow 0.3 and down. We had a high-sec tower a while back and yes, our moon in a 0.6 was seeded. It wasn't anything special, but it was seeded. On the topic of 0.4's being seeded but not able to anchor harvesters, I think it would be cool if we could anchor harvesters in a 0.4 though have it be some form of criminal activity. Catalyzes more conflict and gives those willing to take the risk the opportunity to make some extra cash. IDK how the "criminal activity" part of it would be handled, but I am sure it would create more conflict and emergent gameplay. You mean people in 0.4 could shoot you? Eyeroll... You are "sure" it would insert buzzword that you don't know the definition of
Loraine Gess Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists 93	Posted - 2014.02.19 21:59:00 - [28] - Quote Captain DrunkBucket wrote: Spurty wrote: Grrrr Moons!! Talk about a dumb idea. Remove harvester pos and replace with mining ships okay, problemsolving.... when an alliance gets to much Power, they get attacked by a npc Power. Goons holds area around Dread Guristas. Ergo a full out invasion from the guristas, which splits up the goons alliance. gurista claims some New Territory, shuts Down trade, mining and posses. Goons loose their monolopy and all Goons haters gets happy ;D So the most powerful alliance is always the 2nd most powerful alliance and anybody who is successful is punished for it... Great plan.
Laiannah Sahireen Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 19	Posted - 2014.02.19 22:37:00 - [29] - Quote Notorious Fellon wrote: Mario Putzo wrote: Moon mining shouldn't be a thing anyway. Passive Income is bad for the game. This X 1000. Spoken like people who have no appreciation of what fantastic fight generators these moons are. Outside of nullsec sov warfare, the biggest fights in the game are fought over valuable R32/64 moons. You have a combination of the following: - A valuable resource worth exploiting - A timer that tells everybody what time the action is kicking off - The opportunity for each side to prepare and/or batphone to make the fight bigger and better - The further opportunity for 3rd parties to get wind and wade into the action These things result in anything up to and including supercapital brawls and trillions of isk in losses as each side battles over the resources. Without valuable moons, such fights would be far more rare. Most alliances won't start fielding supercarriers to defend a POCO... Just because you don't have a bunch of them, doesn't mean you need to moan about 'passive income' being bad for the game. It results in a lot of emergent gameplay and gudfites.
Hevymetal POT Corp Semper Ardens Alliance 208	Posted - 2014.02.19 22:40:00 - [30] - Quote Captain DrunkBucket wrote: why was moonmining prohibited in highsec and w-Space?? It is the carrot, at the end of the big stick, baiting unsuspecting players to low-null.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS CODE. 248	Posted - 2014.02.19 23:46:00 - [31] - Quote Obviously we need a section of w-space with only R64's that allows moon mining, but all the connections to it only allow two million kg in or out. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á
Dani Aider The Scope Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2014.02.19 23:49:00 - [32] - Quote Tippia wrote: Captain DrunkBucket wrote: why was moonmining prohibited in highsec and w-Space?? Because null (and low) needed something of their own. They do.. oodles of empty space to rent out. That's where they say they are making isk these days.
Mario Putzo Welping and Dunking. 314	Posted - 2014.02.20 00:30:00 - [33] - Quote Alaekessa wrote: Mario Putzo wrote: Moon mining shouldn't be a thing anyway. Passive Income is bad for the game. At least in Eve we need to process it and then ship it to market to make our iskies, effort beyond simply defending our towers is required. Not so in Dust, there it is just capture district, sit on district until clone limit is reached, rake in iskies. It is the closest to risk free Isk there is in New Eden. I mean, even Station Traders need to worry about the Margin Trading "scam"*. Suicide gankers need to lose a ship by definition, gate campers take the risk of being blobbed and losing their ships. Don't even get me started on the risks associated with mining. Risk Free Isk =/= Passive Isk. Nearly every other form of ISK generation requires you to have some player input on a repetitive basis. Except for MoonGoo. You bring JF to the POS and add fuel on Monday, and on Friday you empty the Silos and jump the product back to Highsec for sale. The 100 hours between you clicking a couple buttons buttons requires 0 input from a player to generate income. Passive income is bad for the game overall, and isn't just limited to MoonGoo.
Malcolm Shinhwa Bad Touches 1229	Posted - 2014.02.20 05:40:00 - [34] - Quote Alaekessa wrote: Not so in Dust, there it is just capture district, sit on district until clone limit is reached, rake in iskies. It is the closest to risk free Isk there is in New Eden. But you forget the big downside. You have to play Dust. I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose.
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 788	Posted - 2014.02.20 07:10:00 - [35] - Quote Alaekessa wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: Batelle wrote: CCP probably figured they'd be too hard to destroy. Or CCP figured that given the large number of w-space systems, it would devalue the value of moon minerals (grr nullsec cartels). Or possibly it never even occurred to them in the first place that people would live there and want to mine them, so they never seeded the moons, just on a whim. Marlona Sky wrote: A better question: Why is moon minerals seeded on 0.4 moons but the moon harvester can only be anchored in 0.3 and lower? Because seeding all moons takes exactly 0 additional effort beyond only seeding 0.3 and lower. Are the 0.5 and up seeded or not? If not, probably mean it was planned to work from 0.4 and down and then a decision was made to only allow 0.3 and down. We had a high-sec tower a while back and yes, our moon in a 0.6 was seeded. It wasn't anything special, but it was seeded. On the topic of 0.4's being seeded but not able to anchor harvesters, I think it would be cool if we could anchor harvesters in a 0.4 though have it be some form of criminal activity. Catalyzes more conflict and gives those willing to take the risk the opportunity to make some extra cash. IDK how the "criminal activity" part of it would be handled, but I am sure it would create more conflict and emergent gameplay. Just go to the 0.3 next door and shoot the pos there.
Snagletooth Johnson Snagle Material Services CAStabouts 91	Posted - 2014.02.20 10:19:00 - [36] - Quote Captain DrunkBucket wrote: March rabbit wrote: Captain DrunkBucket wrote: why was moonmining prohibited in highsec and w-Space?? because of goons obviously So goons have the Power to bitchslap CCP around to set the rules in the favor of themselves?? You're not from around here, are you?
Cristl Perkone Caldari State 69	Posted - 2014.02.20 15:12:00 - [37] - Quote They are intended as a scarce resource for associations of players to fight over. And even mentioning high-sec moon minerals should be a crime. Abandoned POSs are a pain to remove - who's going to volunteer to kill a powered, defended, gunned and shudder ECM-batteried one without dreads? No thanks. Wormholes were not given moon-minerals so as not to reward permanent occupancy, I believe.
Agondray Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces 31	Posted - 2014.02.20 16:16:00 - [38] - Quote Mario Putzo wrote: Moon mining shouldn't be a thing anyway. Passive Income is bad for the game. Yep it's completely passive when other people have to buy it from you and you get their isk, all passive
E-2C Hawkeye State War Academy Caldari State 487	Posted - 2014.02.20 16:31:00 - [39] - Quote Tippia wrote: Captain DrunkBucket wrote: why was moonmining prohibited in highsec and w-Space?? Because null (and low) needed something of their own. They have it....BLUE-SEC aka BLUE DOUGHNUT.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 6299	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:42:00 - [40] - Quote One time bump to fix forum.

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