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ShipToaster Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2011.11.10 23:57:00 - [1] - Quote Tl;dr: CCP luvs EVE university, gank these fucks, get paid and irritate CCP. CCP have been irritating me for :18 months: now and :$1000 Jeans: was enough to convince me that the CCP needed a virtual slapping and I have been wondering for months how to get them back for almost ruining EVE. Now a wardec on CCP would be nice but they would just hide behind a "dec shield" so what to do? This morning a thought of sheer greatness entered my head. CCP has a weak spot in game and it is EVE University. "CCP luvs EVE University", CCP loves the money that they bring to the game even more and CCP see EVE University as their "high sec golden child", so to grief CCP we have to grief EVE university. A wardec would be a waste of ISK as they have been nerfed thanks to EVE University so some good old fashioned suicide ganking before that is nerfed will have to do. Payment plan. Hulk : 30 million ISK Mackinaw : 15 million ISK T2 Hauler : 10 million ISK T3: 40 million ISK Incursion or Mission ship: 50 million ISK (ship and fit must be worth at least a billion) Director corpse: 50 million ISK (are they ever in space?) Bonuses. In corp gank: 10 million ISK bonus. Any kill over 2 billion ISK: 20 million ISK bonus 5 kills: 20 million ISK bonus (kills paid out for ships that are on this list) These are for ganks in high but if you get them in low or null then I will pay half. I have about five billion ISK to pay out, and will pay out when I see the api verified kill to whoever got the final blow, and with a bit of luck should be able to keep this going until the insurance nerf patch happens. Hopefully I get a load of whines about how EVE University is a noob corp and I can keep pointing out how they are now a high sec carebear corp whose membership is fast approaching the year mark on average, and whose carebear members can afford to fly hulls with fittings worth billions. Pay in advance? Nope, gank in advance. (Note well that "virtual slapping" in no way is an endorsement of actual real life violence and "griefing" in this instance refers to legitimate in game activities that are not violations of the ToS or EULA.)
ShipToaster Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2011.11.16 00:47:00 - [2] - Quote http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14607027 Hulk : 30 million ISK low or null then I will pay half 15 million ISK paid. This EVE weekend get a 50% bonus on all amounts paid to the first five kills as the action has been too slow so far. EVE weekend is 00:00 Saturday 19th to 23:59 Sunday 20th and times are utc. Dont get mad, get EVEn.
ShipToaster Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2011.11.16 03:02:00 - [3] - Quote Will try changing the title to see if it generates more action. (@CCP Phantom: folks was a really funny change) Jovan Geldon wrote: Why do E-Uni annoy so many people, I wonder? I have no vested interest in the matter either way, but I am genuinely interested in finding out (and probably mocking remorselessly) your greivance with them. No big drama fuelled reasons here. I did read the thread about two CSM's and think that CCP asking EVE University what CCP could do for them alone while ignoring the rest of EVE was a bit **. I loved the spin on the EVE university reply that, and this is not a direct quote, fixing wardecs by massively increasing costs and making highsec safer by removing insurance from CONCORD kills was best for all of EVE. Part of the reason was that EVE university made the big push for high sec to become safer to suit them and in the wardec arguments I wondered if it would be more cost effective to pay for a few billion of wardecs or a few billion of suicide ganks. Who better than EVE university to test this on? For those who read and understand things this does also mean that a wardec will also need to happen to test this theory and I have allocated five billion for this as well; with the rumoured changes to costs for wardecs becoming a flat 250 million fee this will mean twenty weeks of war for them. Feel free to mock. Kelduum Revaan wrote: ShipToaster wrote: . . . Payment plan. . . . Director corpse: 50 million ISK (are they ever in space?) Bonuses. In corp gank: 10 million ISK bonus. . . . Ok, this was a difficult fight, but I finally got one! EVE Gate profile of target, Ship and Pod Thats 50 Million for a director corpse, and 20 million for an in-corp kill based on your post. Contract with showinfo of corpse. Please accept it at your earliest convenience, Mr Toaster. Nice. Unfortunately the double secret exclusion clause six applies where bounties cannot be paid to anyone currently in EVE University. Will still pay the isk if you get kicked for in-corp ganking but for now it is simply a blue on blue kill and not an in-corp gank. Must be embarrassing when the "fearless leader" of EVE university cant even tell the difference between a blue on blue and an in-corp gank. Wait just a minute there, were you trying to swindle me just like how you tried to swindle people with your kill board manipulations? Gosh darn but aint you a tricksy one. Xolani1990 wrote:** ITL;DR, OP and other whiners are wrong and should look into the available routes to helping the corporation improve its training instead of being whiney and not really doing anything to help. Will not speak for anyone else but I am not looking to help improve training and have no idea why you would think I am. What is it with people accusing me of whining all the time? Dont get mad, get EVEn.
ShipToaster Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2011.11.16 03:12:00 - [4] - Quote Juicy Chanlin wrote: ShipToaster wrote: Nice. Unfortunately the double secret exclusion clause six applies where bounties cannot be paid to anyone currently in EVE University. Will still pay the isk if you get kicked for in-corp ganking but for now it is simply a blue on blue kill and not an in-corp gank. Funny how you didn't state that before. Sounds like you're just trying to weasel your way out of having to pay the man. For someone that had such a big mouth you sure backpedal pretty quick. You dont understand the difference here? There was no gank therefore no payment. Dont get mad, get EVEn.
ShipToaster Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2011.11.16 05:24:00 - [5] - Quote Juicy Chanlin wrote: Poetic Stanziel wrote: Juicy Chanlin wrote: But did you pay Kelduum? Because if you didn't.. I call this whole thing BS.. YOU set the terms.. he followed them to the letter.. Pay up or shut up!! He smoked a director alt (basically a placeholder). No one expects that to be paid out. Neither do you. It's just Kelduum being a douchebag. And it goes without saying that he's not going to pay Unistas to smoke Unistas. I don't see it as any more or less douchebagish as the OPs initial post. Not to mention.. The OP did not set any conditions of what type of director it hast o be etc. So if he's going to be picking and choosing who he pays out.. then his whole post is a load of BS. Troll mode on. I was going to pay for the kill but after he tried to scam me by claiming 70 million when the correct amount was 60 million I had to disallow the kill. Troll mode off. Juicy Chanlin wrote: What I don't understand.. is WHY do you care so much about what someone else does to enjoy the game? Why do you have to go out of your way to ruin the game for someone else? Does that make you feel more of a man at night? Or do you really think that you are so important that just because you have a beef with the UNI you'll be able to turn the entire eve community against it? This level of tears excites some people sexually. Just saying. Dont get mad, get EVEn.
ShipToaster Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2011.11.16 06:23:00 - [6] - Quote Xolani1990 wrote: ShipToaster wrote: Will not speak for anyone else but I am not looking to help improve training and have no idea why you would think I am. What is it with people accusing me of whining all the time? I just noticed this. Nice way to imply you're actually Poetic's alt. It wouldn't be the first time you've used sockpuppets on the EVE-O forums. This was actually a reference to the wardec thread I made, https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=22037 and if you compare the ideas of PS and I to wardecs you must conclude that if the glove does not fit, you must acquit. Juicy Chanlin wrote: But did you pay Kelduum? Because if you didn't.. I call this whole thing BS.. YOU set the terms.. he followed them to the letter.. Pay up or shut up!! Had a change of mind here. Contract the corpse to me for 50 million and I will take it. Will be one step closer to my new target of a set of EVE University director corpses. I still draw the line at this being called an in-corp gank though. Dont get mad, get EVEn.
ShipToaster Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2011.11.16 17:16:00 - [7] - Quote http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14621861 Hulk : 30 million ISK low or null then I will pay half 15 million ISK paid. Dont get mad, get EVEn.
ShipToaster Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2011.11.18 02:41:00 - [8] - Quote Thinking of paying Rinoa Leonhart for that kill even though it is not actually in the list. Still waiting to pay 50 million to Kelduum Revaan for the corpse. Juicy Chanlin wrote: You seem to be under the mis-conception that EUni is NOOB training corp. EVE University wiki wrote: EVE University is a neutral, non-profit training corporation in EVE Online that exists to train new players in the basics of life in New Eden I dont think people are under this misconception any more. You are correct however and anyone claiming that EVE University is still a noob training corp is insulting our intelligence. The second quote from their wiki seems to contradict your opinion on what their goals are as it presents a succinct mission statement. Either you are absolutely wrong or their wiki and assorted advertising are lies. Which is it? If it is taking you almost a year to learn the basics of EVE Online then there is something seriously wrong with your definition of the basics. Nowhere does it say that EVE University is there to teach you the "upper skills" of the game and if they have changed to do this then perhaps it should be reflected in their wiki and assorted advertising. Ellin Einher wrote: If you want to kill them so much why don't you stay in their often visited systems in low? or are you afraid of being killed by a real PvP'er? Was this directed to me? If it was then no and no. I dont want to kill them but I do want to see them die uselessly and frustratingly to gankers with no means to fight back yet knowing that it was their own stupidity that led them to their fate. Dont get mad, get EVEn.
ShipToaster Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2011.11.18 19:55:00 - [9] - Quote http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14629633 Mackinaw : 15 million ISK x2 Paid 30 million. Dont get mad, get EVEn.
ShipToaster Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2011.11.18 23:33:00 - [10] - Quote @Darian Reymont: need to check a few facts but will definitely deal with you tomorrow. Earl oSatrun wrote: I was going to be snarky and rude. This is C&P snarky and rude is welcomed and enjoyed by all here. Earl oSatrun wrote: I don't notice that there's all that many people getting ganked, so I'm not sure if the campaign is going well. Perhaps if the op would be so kind as to link a killboard that has the kills listed on it. Not many gankees at all. As for killboards, not my thing. Feel free to set one up and mock me with the lack of activity on it. glepp wrote: Yet more whining **** Yet another no-mark posting here. 50% bonus for next five ganks on this list starts now so hopefully this will get a few more. I am going to call this the "glepp 50% bonus for next five kills" in your honour. Dont get mad, get EVEn.
ShipToaster Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2011.11.18 23:37:00 - [11] - Quote Asuri Kinnes wrote: You must be one of those people that don't exist! E-Uni grads who PVP! Well, according to the dolts in this thread, we don't exist.... I think you are a little mistaken as to what is going on in this thread. Sadly this seems to be the norm for former EVE University members in this thread. Dont get mad, get EVEn.
ShipToaster Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2011.11.19 01:35:00 - [12] - Quote Harlot Hohannson wrote: CCP dont give a flyingfuck about what you do to EVE uni, and alt posting about how butthurt you are about blog comments from months ago just makes you look pathetic. Ok. Thanks for that. I will immediately stop this. Dont get mad, get EVEn.
ShipToaster Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2011.11.19 17:48:00 - [13] - Quote Darian Reymont wrote: "E-UNI is a carebear corp" - I'm not sure what this actually refers to, as E-UNI as a group has no particular game focus outside of training. We teach all aspects of the game available to us, from mission running and mining to scamming and piracy. It's up to individual students to decide what they want to learn about. Could it be argued that we have more PvE focused students than PvP? Possibly, though I'm not sure why that matters. EVE is a sandbox and we support all approaches to it. What this means is that the focus of pilots in eve university has moved from being trained to living in a high sec effective safe haven. No one has ever said you dont train new pilots, but I will come back to this, but we outsiders can only look at the evidence put before us. The teaching of basics to new pilots is no longer the primary focus of your alliance as pilots around the one year old stage in EVE will have long since mastered the basics of EVE (or your teaching strategy is seriously flawed). Darian Reymont wrote: "E-UNI is primarily made up of 1+ year old pilots" - I know where this has come from, of course, as it is a constant claim made by Poetic in the hopes of hurting our reputation. It is unfortunate that people have chosen to believe it, given that Poetic has yet to share any evidence that proves his claims. The University accepts members of all ages, but our recruitment is almost entirely focused on new pilots, just as it has always been. You are wrong here as it is false to claim that PS brought this up as it was me after I started reading your forum dump and saw a post from early last year about how your members average age had jumped to over ten months old and was continuing to increase. I dont think anyone ever claimed you were made up of "1+ year old pilots" but at the current rate of age increase you should reach an average pilot age of over one year old around the start of March next year. What was said by me is that the average age of pilots was fast approaching one year old and this, in a corp that claims to be primarily for teaching noobs, made the EVE University is a noob training corp myth more of an actual lie. I did ask both PS and KR to post the precise figure and the calculating methodology for public scrutiny as they both said they could do so but neither of them did. EVE University had a fair chance to show (or disprove PS) that they were not mostly composed of non-noob pilots but has failed to do so. PS did shoot down Xolani1990's earlier claim in this thread that you could not find more than 20 pilots in EVE University who were more than a year old and not in positions of authority. He found thirty seven out of a hundred were. A few posts back this Xolani1990 guy made another claim, citing his personal experience and not evidence this time, but until you can explain what an almost one year old player still has to learn regarding the basics of EVE then there is only one conclusion to be reached: not a noob corp, not a teaching corp, what is left is carebear. The evidence is what is hurting your reputation, not claims made by any individual. Noob training corp, honest, neutral, have all been shown recently to be false. The neutrality was lost when you went to aid Chribba against a corp who had attacked him, none of your business if you were neutral. I was surprised PS never picked up on this point. Is there anything about your pre-KR vision of EVE university that remains true? Dont get mad, get EVEn.
ShipToaster Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2011.11.19 17:56:00 - [14] - Quote reserved Dont get mad, get EVEn.
ShipToaster Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 14	Posted - 2011.11.20 21:33:00 - [15] - Quote Darian Reymont wrote: "E-UNI wants to remove PvP from high-sec" - Another untruth. People seem to mistake the fact that we have pushed for wardec reforms to mean that we want war removed entirely, which couldn't be further from the truth. We want a wardec system that promotes more and better quality PvP in high sec. The recent GM policy changes had nothing to do with us. I don't even like them. You do want high sec PvP removed but only for EVE university and only by manipulating the structure of wardecs and this is a thousand times worse than what PS claimed. The way you are trying to do this is smarter than other carebears and you deserve credit for that: you are looking for changes based on numbers of members, as this is the one thing that no other corp or alliance in high sec can match you with. I only seriously read about EVE university wanting wardec costs changed so it would cost at least a billion a week to wardec you because of the size of your alliance and the arrogant statements that somehow groups who are not large enough or individual pilots should not have the right to, or even be able to, wardec EVE university. You want it to be too expensive to dec you and you want small to medium corps to not be able to dec you never mind solo pilots; how many corps or alliances in high sec come close to half your numbers, that was suggested as the minimum size of any entity that should be permitted to wardec you? (How many even come close to a tenth?) This was one of the ideas that was well liked by EVE university members, the other well liked one was making the cost equal to the number of members in EVE University times a million isk, so it will be far more than a billion a week to dec you. The allegations have been that these were the ideas put forward to CCP by you. No one knows if this is true due to the lack of records, lack or scrutiny and, sadly, CCP's lack of integrity in this matter but it will be interesting to see if the new structure of wardecs reflects this. This type of thinking shows you want an effective end to wars on you and dont give a damn about the effects of this on EVE as a game. Dont confuse this with a desire to change things to benefit you. This is fine. What is not fine is claiming you are doing this to "benefit all of EVE". I liked the quote where EVE University was pushing for wardec reforms to "benefit all of EVE". Such a thing is just not possible but I do like the paternalistic arrogance in thinking you know what is best for EVE. The constants you see with carebear whines on these forums about wardecs is that wardecs are too cheap and dont have a defined purpose (beyond these peoples incorrect interpretation of griefing); EVE University posts on wardecs follow this rule. Here I am referring to posts like the KR one that PS said was warsong gulch (capture the flag, dominate territory?) which I assumed was some sort of victory condition where EVE University could use its superior numbers to easily succeed in. KR never bothered to post his idea after PS's post. You say you want "more and better quality PvP in high sec" but how is this to be achieved? The number of recent threads on wardec changes to accomplish this by EVE University on these forums has been a whopping zero. Let us hear what you have to say on this matter. Let your ideas and suggestions be peer reviewed in public and not introduced in back alley deals with CCP. Regarding the recent wardec exploit removal and how you personally dont like this, it seems obvious that your view is not the prevalent one in EVE university. It is common knowledge that EVE university has a history of using war dec mechanics to cheat your way out of wars. Your cheating to avoid wardecs is not news. You might not like these changes but you sure as hell are using them to yet again cheat your way out of wars and the mail by KR that was posted on these forums telling members to like the wardec exploits removed thread, and your own forums decshield thread, shows EVE university as a whole likes these changes and wants the dec shield to stay. Did the recent CCP policy changes regarding the removal of exploits have anything to do with you? No one knows for sure. We can only look at the evidence. Ignoring the meetings with CCP where allegedly wardecs were discussed and the push for wardec changes on the crowdsourcing, we still have one critical piece of evidence. You were using the dec shield to protect yourselves for almost five months while it was still an exploit for the rest of EVE and when this was challenged as EVE university using an exploit , by petitions, CCP posted their thread about this no longer being regarded as an exploit. If CCP truly were neutral in this matter and the exploit was still an exploit before 2011.10.10 then what punishment will be meted out to EVE University for intentionally exploiting game mechanics for five months? That EVE University was intentionally exploiting game mechanics is not in doubt (what is in doubt is if it was an exploit for all of EVE except for them). The 2009 thread on the old forums shows EVE University knew of and accepted this ruling that using a decshield in any form was an exploit. EVE university claims to have been permitted to do this after conversations with a senior GM. The concern for many people is that if a senior GM makes a change that has such a wide ranging effect on EVE but no on knows about it except for one group in the game how can we see this as anything but serious game affecting bias? Dont get mad, get EVEn.
ShipToaster Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 14	Posted - 2011.11.20 21:34:00 - [16] - Quote Darian Reymont wrote: "E-UNI is favoured by CCP" - A difficult thing to measure. Have CCP made changes to EVE to help us? I don't know, as they've never approached us about such things. CCP respects E-UNI as they do any other corp who is as large, organised or long-lasting as ours, but we have very little sway over their decision making. My view is that, at best, we're little more than a source of feedback for them. This is the one point where I must state in public that you a liar. "Have CCP made changes to EVE to help us? I don't know, as they've never approached us about such things." Aside from the discussions at fanfest where you were approached by CCP's marketing department to see "what they could do to help you" as you have good new player retention rates (all about the money), claims that you discus stuff with CCP, long conversations" with senior GM's, we have this: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/546/ccpluvseveuni.jpg/ had to wait to get the link for this. This one post makes a mockery of your claim that CCP never approached EVE University. Your own code of conduct states that "Our members are honest in their dealings both with one another and the community. We donGÇÖt lie, cheat or deceive. Our word is trustworthy." I dont think you can claim this anymore, but then after the killboard and your war record page manipulation I thought you had lost this anyway. It was alleged that wardec changes were discussed during the above post and at fanfest.The other point which is very relevant here is regarding dec shields. The public announcement about the dec shield exploit being removed was released to the EVE community recently (2011.10.10), EVE university knew about and was using this since May this year (was this after fanfest?). Favouritism, out and out wrong. I have additional evidence that indicates that this exploit was still being enforced with EVE university excepted but forum rules state that I cannot post it here. I also like the edit to your wiki to reflect your new status after previous posts in this thread commented on it. Congratulations on becoming an alliance whose purpose is no longer primarily to train new players. It used to say EVE University wiki wrote: EVE University is a neutral, non-profit training corporation in EVE Online that exists to train new players in the basics of life in New Eden but now says EVE University wiki wrote: EVE University is a neutral, non-profit training corporation in EVE Online that exists to help teach players about Eve, mainly training new players in the basics of life in New Eden. and this is the level of duplicity that EVE University is now becoming known for. Incidentally, congratulations on graduating from being a noob training corp, guess that myth has finally been laid to rest. Source for these is http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/w/index.php?title=EVE_University&diff=prev&oldid=31241 I dont see you as a noob training corp (nor do you now), honest (as examples you lied here about CCP approaching you, KR lied a lot, dodgy killboards that even your own alumni thought was dishonest, your war stats page), neutral (Chribba) or even non profit (7.5% tax on all those carebears is a lot, no wonder you want to remove wardecs as the isk must be flowing in). While I would not dec or organise ganks on an actual noob training corp you simply are not a noob training corp and are fair game from now on. This CCP bias is what prompted this thread and CCP may well show similar bias in pricing EVE University out of high sec wardecs but this will be painfully obvious to all of EVE now as this issue has been well highlighted. Dont get mad, get EVEn.
ShipToaster Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2011.11.25 09:59:00 - [17] - Quote Juicy Chanlin wrote: 3 days and no new posts.. PS, Toaster.. Did you guys give up? Yes. CCP's heavy fleet defeated me on SISI at the battle of umadbro and I had to quit EVE in shame. I did pay PL to get me some CCP payback and rejoined EVE today in glorious victory. (No I did not really pay PL this was a joke for those with no sense of humour and a 'tard implant) Dont get mad, get EVEn.
ShipToaster Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2011.11.25 10:25:00 - [18] - Quote Too many forum distractions today. Back to srs bsns. KR: 50 mil will be paid for EVE Univeristy Voice director corpse after downtime today as will this kill. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14653019 T2 Hauler : 10 million ISK low or null then I will pay half 5 million ISK will be paid. As for how much paid out, to whom, and anything related to this, the details are in this thread. If I have missed any kills that qualify for payment please point them out. Dont get mad, get EVEn.
ShipToaster Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2011.11.25 11:39:00 - [19] - Quote EVE the game (tm) wrote: 11:33:15 Notify The contracts sub-space link is being established.Please try again in a bit. Paid KR 50 million for director corpse. Paid OdysseySpace 5 mil. el alasar wrote: this is a nullsec kill. wasnt this about bringing shock and awe to highsec bears? well, tier 3 BC are about to enter tranquility so there is hope for your project i guess... anyone found another use for them than ganking? No it was not about this but congratulations for having such an active imagination. Griefing CCP - Bounties for E-Uni Ganking: 4 days to get in on the action! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=343354#post343354
ShipToaster 21	Posted - 2011.12.08 11:04:00 - [20] - Quote Rules update: the payment for killing ships over 1 billion ISK in value now applies to pods as well. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14742934 Hulk: 30 million ISK in low or null then I will pay half Paid 15 million and forgot to post it here. Valoche Mrehl wrote: @OP - Fight the favorites. The tears are worth every ISK, especially when you're the one paying Wait until CCP restart the wardecs then the tears will begin in earnest. That is unless CCP keep sucking eve uni cocks and make it some sort of Hello Kitty wardec system just for them. On the subject of kitty's, there is still about 4.7 billion in the pot for this ganking, Griefing CCP - Bounties for E-Uni Ganking: action continues. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=343354#post343354

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