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Caldari Citizen 013114 State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.02.20 02:41:00 - [1] - Quote I am running my first L3 mission in my new Drake and am finding it impossible. Even with 17k shield hp, 62 hp/s recharge, and 77% resist against what they are firing at me, I am unable to tank shots for more than a minute or two. The mission has me surrounded by about a dozen or so BCs and elite cruisers, all comfortably missiling me from 60+km. Their DPS is huge. My shields are a quarter gone by the time I have landed one or two missile strikes on my first target. Since they are jamming me I had to switch to FoF missiles, taking a huge DPS hit. Now when i warp in I cannot even kill 1 BC before my shields are down and I have to make a run for it. I played around with a few different builds, spent some 10 mil on upgrades, and still cannot tank effectively. Any advice? I know I need to train my skills but if all L3s are this hard and time consuming... I mean I have lost so much money now just on ammo.
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 788	Posted - 2014.02.20 02:54:00 - [2] - Quote You should tank rat specific - ie there is no use having an em hole covered if rats aren't shooting em. You may find that active tanking is more efficient slotwise, which gives you more room to balance your fit around fitting more ballistic damage mod thingies, which gets more damage done per shot, which also gets the peak damage in the mission down quicker and gets you more bounty and LP per isk spent on ammo, and you may also be able to then afford a slot for an applied damage mod like a painter.
Dersen Lowery Laurentson INC StructureDamage 1003	Posted - 2014.02.20 02:55:00 - [3] - Quote It sounds to me like you either got a mission with triggers that spawn extra waves, and you've shot them all, or you got a mission like Recon where you're not expected to kill everything, just to observe and leave. (I'm not familiar with "Cut-throat Competition," unfortunately. You can always ask people nearby for help. Missions aren't instanced, so you're not necessarily alone within them. I'd recommend looking missions up on http://eve-survival.org if you're having trouble. Pay attention to the damage types the rats do, and the damage types that are effective against them. [EVE Survival is down ATM, but it should be back up; it's a great resource.] Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 788	Posted - 2014.02.20 02:56:00 - [4] - Quote 77% resists and 62hp/sec peak is a pretty weak tank - thats about 250, on a spaceship with the signature of a small moon.
Caldari Citizen 013114 State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.02.20 02:58:00 - [5] - Quote I am tanking rat specific they are shooting kinetic and some thermal so I have all resists set to kinetic except 1 for thermal. I tried an active tanking fit and it did not even have the recharge with a booster to maintain a steady shield level - while draining my capacitor heavily. Warped out with half capacitor and like 1/4 shields. I'm just not understanding how all the websites say that a Drake can solo tank any L3 or L4 mission.
Dersen Lowery Laurentson INC StructureDamage 1003	Posted - 2014.02.20 03:04:00 - [6] - Quote There are a few possible variables. First, there are a lot of websites whose advice dates from when HML Drakes were more powerful than they currently are. Second, the capabilities of the Drake vary with your own skills. There are lots and lots of skills that go into getting the most out of a ship. A barely-trained Drake is pretty weak; a max-skilled Drake is a brick. For instance, I just looked up my HAM Drake fit, and with my skills it has 54.9k EHP in shields. Generally, when people talk about what a ship can do, they mean at max skills. Could you post your fit? Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
Victoria Thorne Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 18	Posted - 2014.02.20 03:35:00 - [7] - Quote I'm fairly sure that I recall doing this mission in a month old character before the HML and BC changes. It was a pain even then. If I recall correctly, I ended up warping in and out of the mission several times (killing 1 BC each time) to reduce the pocket before I could handle it. Besides posting your fit (which would let the people here give you good advise on improving your ship), you could always try asking for help in local. There is a good chance someone might be willing to assist you. Edit: To answer your question about difficulty, I recall this being the most difficult level 3 I had done at the time. They are not all that bad.
Orlacc 611	Posted - 2014.02.20 05:20:00 - [8] - Quote See if this helps: http://www.peepnation.com/mirror/eve-survival/wikka0c2e.html?wakka=MissionReports#U And it's not the ship, it's the pilot. "Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Iyokus Patrouette End-of-Line 117	Posted - 2014.02.20 05:29:00 - [9] - Quote Orlacc wrote: See if this helps: http://www.peepnation.com/mirror/eve-survival/wikka0c2e.html?wakka=MissionReports#U And it's not the ship, it's the pilot. It can be the ship, if the ship is not fitted correctly for the task. Join End-of-Line, -EOL, today, and kill your CEO! (Terms and conditions apply.) ---- Advocate for the initiation of purple coloured wormholes----
Caldari Citizen 013114 State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.02.20 13:03:00 - [10] - Quote OK Here's my fit: Highs: 6x 'Malkuth' HML loaded with auto-targeting scourge Meds: 2x Large Az. Ward Stabilizer (shield extender) 2x Kinetic resistance amplifier 1x Thermal dissipation field 1x 10MN Experimental Afterburner Lows: 1x BCU I 2x Shield power relay 1x Damage Control 1 Upgrades: 3x Medium screen stabilizer (improves shield capacity) I am training all skills to mount T2 equipment and should be done in a few days, but I don't see how it will help me that much.
Anize Oramara S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass 147	Posted - 2014.02.20 14:32:00 - [11] - Quote for rigs, do you mean defense field extenders?
R3VOh Epidemic. 1	Posted - 2014.02.20 14:32:00 - [12] - Quote AUTO-TARGETTING MISSILES? Use scourge heavies Change rigs to the shield regen ones....upgrade to a meta3 or 4 damage control...keep up transversal. Job done
Eliram Kahoudi Big Red Rabbits 98	Posted - 2014.02.20 14:34:00 - [13] - Quote i dont pve alot. but last i looked auto targeting missiles were awful. get the caldari navy scourge heavies. they give you another 40 dps. read up on the triggers so that you dont agro the whole room at once. im not sure what rigs you are using but make sure you are using the medium core defense field extenders. i would also drop the DCU for another BCU. if you arent agroing the whole room at once then having the extra 30dps is worth it. Also look at training shield upgrades to lvl 4. it will give you another 5k in hp just upgrading your shield extenders to t2 also you should be able to leave your AB on for longer without the DCU which will allow you to take alot less damage pending you arent flying directly at the NPCs
suid0 Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 120	Posted - 2014.02.20 14:46:00 - [14] - Quote Iyokus Patrouette wrote: Orlacc wrote: See if this helps: http://www.peepnation.com/mirror/eve-survival/wikka0c2e.html?wakka=MissionReports#U And it's not the ship, it's the pilot. It can be the ship, if the ship is not fitted correctly for the task. 3 week old character trying to fly a drake in L3's. yep.. It's the pilot And before you chime in and say it's possible, someone with enough experience to actually fly L3's in a drake with a 3 week old pilot wouldn't be here asking OP's questions. OP.... I'm guessing you need to train your skills, the best way for people to help you is if you shared your skills on eveboard or something, but that's as long as you don't mind everyone seeing them. the entire enemy support fleet is dead except for one interdictor a titan could easily finish off with drones -á--áCommander Ted
Treborr MintingtonJr Quantum Reality R n D Spaceship Samurai 176	Posted - 2014.02.20 16:14:00 - [15] - Quote You definitely need skills for something like this: High 6x Arblest Heavy Missile Launcher meta 4, Scourge Heavy Missiles Med 2x Rat Specific Hardeners tech II or Adaptive Invulnerability Field tech II 2x Large Shield Extenders tech II 2x Shield Recharger tech II Low 1x Shield Power Relay tech II (Change to 3x Shield Power Relay tech II for more Tank) 3x Ballistic Control System tech II Rigs 3x Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Drones 5 Light scout drones (I love warriors)
Dersen Lowery Laurentson INC StructureDamage 1007	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:49:00 - [16] - Quote Bump to fix forums. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
Caldari Citizen 013114 State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.02.20 20:48:00 - [17] - Quote I'm being told to change scourge auto-targeting to regular scourge and change my shield extender rigs to shield recharge rigs, but here is my concern with that: - The mission rats are perma jamming me, rendering regular missiles useless. I cannot get within range of the jammers because they spawn 65km away from the accel gate with all the others in between so I have to kill them last -Shield extender rigs increase shield capacity and shield recharge rate because the time to recharge doesn't change but the full amount does, so it is a double benefit, where shield recharge rigs only increase 1 attribute. I don't see how the recharge rigs would make me able to tank better.
Victoria Thorne Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 18	Posted - 2014.02.20 21:03:00 - [18] - Quote The gain in shield regen from shield recharge rigs results in a higher sustained tank than the benefits of an extender rig. There are benefits to extender rigs in terms of having a larger buffer (which does help your sustained tank), but for missioning fits the recharge rigs are better overall. The problem with FOF missiles is that they will target whatever is closest. Several of the rats will have very similar orbit distances, so they tend to alternate targets. (Giving your first target time to recharge their shields.) Since your skills are low, this will be a difficult mission. Without knowing your exact skills it's hard to give exact advise. ECCM would help.
Jeanne-Luise Argenau Cruis3r's Cr3w Inc. 73	Posted - 2014.02.21 01:29:00 - [19] - Quote maybe im to late but i just read eve-surv cut-throat competition. just kill the shipyard as it will repair the defender ships. and i assume you blopped the moa class cruiser which is a trigger. So now u have alot of damage on the field which also gets remote reps. PS passive tanked drake is ok, navy drake should be active tanked in my opinion so
Qalix Long Jump. 126	Posted - 2014.02.21 05:41:00 - [20] - Quote http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Drake http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Missioning_101
Nanny State NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS CODE. 4	Posted - 2014.02.21 06:07:00 - [21] - Quote google and download EVE FITTING TOOL. Purgers are better than extenders for passive tank. drop the AB, you cant speed tank in a passive drake lol use active kinetic hardeners for punching above your weight like this, nothing beats a cap booster plus active tank, you normally shouldnt combine active tank mods and passive tank rigs, but it's worth a shot. Also if you're aiming for cap stability, you shouldnt in this case, since your tank is breaking so quickly. if you want help, contact "gas guzzler" in game, i'll help you run the site if you are anywhere close.
Caldari Citizen 013114 State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.02.21 21:07:00 - [22] - Quote I'm just going to cancel the mission and see if there are easier ones. I took off my AB to fit more tank and now the rats run away from me and stay outside of my maximum missile range since I am slower than them. I am actually pretty amazed they have that kind of AI capacity, but at the same time and completely frustrated. They also have begun to respawn, so even when I manage to kill 1 or 2, they are right back there when i come back 2 hours later.
Ding Bang Oww State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.02.21 21:07:00 - [23] - Quote I'm just going to cancel the mission and see if there are easier ones. I took off my AB to fit more tank and now the rats run away from me and stay outside of my maximum missile range since I am slower than them. I am actually pretty amazed they have that kind of AI capacity, but at the same time and completely frustrated. They also have begun to respawn, so even when I manage to kill 1 or 2, they are right back there when i come back 2 hours later.
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1876	Posted - 2014.02.21 21:37:00 - [24] - Quote As another poster replied, a lot of it has to do with trained skills. Just because one has the minimums to get into a ship doesn't mean they're ready to fly it. Work on your core skills (cap, shield, etc) in that Drake or something smaller on L2's and some anoms until you get the tactics down. Get into the core T2 modules as soon as possible: DC II, BCS II, Adaptive Invuln II, shield amp IIs (I'm a fan of amps and not active shielding), Shield Compensation skills, Shield Upgrade skills, etc The Drake has a drone bay; drop in a flight of hobbies or warriors, and get your skills up on those also. It's a great additional attack vector to be able to sick those drones on the pesky frigates while you're plinking away at the cruisers and BCs. If at all possible, warp in at range, and not directly to zero (assuming missions where you can Warp To at range, and not those that drop you at a gate). Use that range to your benefit. I'm not a fan of stacking the same module, but 2x BCS IIs on a Drake is worth it. TP may work for you also, but I rarely used one on my Drakes. Find what works for you, and what doesn't. Work on what doesn't. Don't do cookie cutter unless that's the only way you roll. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Ireland VonVicious Vicious Trading Company 294	Posted - 2014.02.22 00:31:00 - [25] - Quote Meta all your gear to Meta 3 or 4. If you don't know what meta is that is the problem you had. Do show info on an item see if it has a meta it's in attributes. If you don't see a meta in the attributes you have a meta 0. All other meta's will show the level. The variations tab on any item will show you all the other meta levels if they have any. Also are you using drones at all? Do you have 5 light drones?
Alejandro Rebenga MOMs Friendly Robot Company 7	Posted - 2014.02.22 08:36:00 - [26] - Quote Ding Bang Oww wrote: I'm just going to cancel the mission and see if there are easier ones. I took off my AB to fit more tank and now the rats run away from me and stay outside of my maximum missile range since I am slower than them. I am actually pretty amazed they have that kind of AI capacity, but at the same time and completely frustrated. They also have begun to respawn, so even when I manage to kill 1 or 2, they are right back there when i come back 2 hours later. Aw, you could have joined the helpmymission channel, where guys can fleet up with you and help finish your mission. Tap the local community for stuff like these and you'll open a whole new world of possibilities :D
Agondray Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces 33	Posted - 2014.02.22 19:03:00 - [27] - Quote Ding Bang Oww wrote: I am running my first L3 mission in my new Drake and am finding it impossible. Even with 17k shield hp, 62 hp/s recharge, and 77% resist against what they are firing at me, I am unable to tank shots for more than a minute or two. The mission has me surrounded by about a dozen or so BCs and elite cruisers, all comfortably missiling me from 60+km. Their DPS is huge. My shields are a quarter gone by the time I have landed one or two missile strikes on my first target. Since they are jamming me I had to switch to FoF missiles, taking a huge DPS hit. Now when i warp in I cannot even kill 1 BC before my shields are down and I have to make a run for it. I played around with a few different builds, spent some 10 mil on upgrades, and still cannot tank effectively. Any advice? I know I need to train my skills but if all L3s are this hard and time consuming... I mean I have lost so much money now just on ammo. "62 hp/s recharge" this is your problem if your looking to passive tank, my mission drake from way back when can do 181 hp/s, i can give you the fit ingame. ive been trying to teach another guy how to tank his SNI but hes been unwilling to lower his dps by droping a couple of the 5 bcu II's
Blue Absinthe Wardec U 19	Posted - 2014.02.26 03:07:00 - [28] - Quote Are you having problems in the first or second room? The second room has triggers and so they can easily overwhelm you. You can complete the second room without triggering any additional waves by avoiding the triggering ships (the 1-2 ships close to you on warp in, typically Moas).

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