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cold lazarus	Posted - 2003.09.17 08:59:00 - [1] Cast your voteà.here is the back groundà. I had tracked two minmitar warriors to their location after a tip off from an friend. The usual pre battle insults and boasts where exchanged before the battle was joined my maller v 2 minmitar cruisers. In the first engagement I was forced to retreat having lost my shields and only reducing one minmitar cruiserÆs shields I was not only facing 2 cruisers but their full compliment of heavy and light drones and heavy missiles. After the tactical retreat to think things over and come up with a new tactic as raw fire power was not doing the trick I came up with a cunning plan. I warped back into the fray all guns blazing and plotted my course toward the station at a steady 171 m/s. Getting close to the station would give me cover from the missiles that where shredding my shields indeed I was reduced to 50% armour before I reached the station. Now heading for the station will give me the tactical advantage of stopping the enemy from using the missiles that where destroying my shields and armour because of the splash damage it would cause to the station. This tactic would give me the upper hand I feel as it was still 2v1 and they still had a number of drones out. Unfortunately this was not the case they kept on launching the missiles and yes the sentry guns ripped into their already much damaged ships destroying them. The question is this did I use a valid tactic to gain victory over a foe with superior fire power or did I cheat and use a well documented game mechanic. I am a fair person as all who know me will testify (I hope) I am putting this to a vote if I am found guilty of cheating I will give them new ships. This is not an RP vote so please keep you love and hate for the Amarr and minmitar out of it, its just a vote on if you feel I cheated.
Lola	Posted - 2003.09.17 09:09:00 - [2] That's funny. ----------------------------------------- Sig rented by Drethen Nerevitas.
The Monk	Posted - 2003.09.17 09:10:00 - [3] Yeah thats totaly fair if they are dumn enough to fire missiles at the station then they deserved to be killed by the sents. ----------------------- ╔╤╗╒╕╔╕║║/ ║│║╘╛║╘╝║\ -----------------------
Darsk'hul	Posted - 2003.09.17 09:16:00 - [4] Well done Cold Lazarus You were right ! __________ No more CEO of Placid Partners Inc. Contact for this corp is now Yilo. Freelancer at Lost Order
Enderweeks	Posted - 2003.09.17 09:19:00 - [5] That's got to be a valid tactic with all the information in these forums but if you feel you would like to ease your guilty conscience then perhaps recompense one of them
DB Preacher	Posted - 2003.09.17 09:21:00 - [6] Edited by: DB Preacher on 17/09/2003 09:22:02 I agree it was a valid move. I used to hide inside asteroids to avoid NPC missiles I used the tactic later against a ship who had tried to attack me in 1.0 space. That time i flew directly towards his buddy and laughed as the missiles hit him and not me and watched concord destroy them both. Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Lola	Posted - 2003.09.17 09:23:00 - [7] Quote: Edited by: DB Preacher on 17/09/2003 09:22:02 I used the tactic later against a ship who had tried to attack me in 1.0 space. That time i flew directly towards his buddy and laughed as the missiles hit him and not me and watched concord destroy them both. ROFL ----------------------------------------- Sig rented by Drethen Nerevitas.
Ashton Black	Posted - 2003.09.17 09:26:00 - [8] Nothing wrong with that... used somthing similar at a stargate...
BrazHos	Posted - 2003.09.17 09:54:00 - [9] Cheesy, probably.. but still a valid tactic especially considering 2 vs 1. They maybe should have just sent drones at you near station. ********************************************** Coming Soon to a Sector near You** May be hazardous to your ship so Be Warned!
Skaz	Posted - 2003.09.17 09:56:00 - [10] Thats a valid tactic IMHO but you can bet that I would be ***ed off if someone used that against me, but hey if your dumb enough to not consider the splash damage, you deserve to die I guess. I mean tactics is using your head, you used yours they didn't, hence you had much better tactics. It saddens me that my Minmatar brethren are not thinking matters through..... "No, I'm not alt.....even if I have been in Pator Tech School for 2 years..."*
Asmodia	Posted - 2003.09.17 10:01:00 - [11] Hiding in base is a lame Carebear tactic ..... just kidding In Love and War it is all aloud. ------------------------------------------------ CEO of Spectre Syndicate - Curse Alliance ------------------------------------------------
Ka'loor	Posted - 2003.09.17 10:03:00 - [12] Absolutely valid tactic......splash damage is widely known, and CONCORD is hated for it :) On a rp side note.....you coward, hiding beneath civilian assets :) Attack without mercy, until blood is gone, until life is gone, until the light is gone, unto the shadow itself. Better to die with honor, than to live in shame.
SlightlyMad	Posted - 2003.09.17 10:06:00 - [13] Quote: The question is this did I use a valid tactic to gain victory over a foe with superior fire power or did I cheat and use a well documented game mechanic. Dude.. that ruled. Brains over firepower. If you want employment in a big organised corp with every blueprint worth having. Drop me a mail or convo me * -"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo
Demangel	Posted - 2003.09.17 10:26:00 - [14] I hereby dub that the Cold Lazerus tactic! I will be adding it to my repitiour heheh! Seriously not only fair, but well played, THIS is the kind of strategic fighting I was hoping EVE would have in it! Even if I had lost because of that and got ****ed, i would be happy that it happened from your intelect and not just your damn uber guns . Damn good show! wish I had seen it! Next you should try asteroid belts, You won't have turets pounding your minni enemies, but if you hide in the dense part of the belt, thier missiles won't be as likely to hit you at all. If you do it right no missile can hit you, and it's completely FAIR! Let us know how it turns out! Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2003.09.17 10:37:00 - [15] I'm in agreement, that's just smart thinking. Or possibly, it's daft thinking from the other guys. whichever way, there is a thinking unbalance betwixt the two parties, And Cold is the victor. .
Kerry	Posted - 2003.09.17 10:46:00 - [16] Quote: I'm in agreement, that's just smart thinking. Or possibly, it's daft thinking from the other guys. whichever way, there is a thinking unbalance betwixt the two parties, And Cold is the victor. shhhhh or CCP will nerf his thinking while trying to balance out player intelligence.
Demangel	Posted - 2003.09.17 10:50:00 - [17] Quote: shhhhh or CCP will nerf his thinking while trying to balance out player intelligence. LOL if that happens EVE becomes a coaster... At least in my house Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you Demangel > Dude... I would call.. Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet. Galaxion > Just a bit.
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.17 10:51:00 - [18] isn't it already? ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
Severe McCald	Posted - 2003.09.17 11:04:00 - [19] Yep, totally valid, your opponents deserved to die for failing to think about splash. How many times have I really, really wanted to use my smartbomb near a gate; but I'm not that stupid. SM And Moses was content to dwell with the man:and he gave Moses Zipporah his daughter. And she bare him a son, and he called his name Gershom:for he said, I have been a stranger in a strange land.
cold lazarus	Posted - 2003.09.17 11:54:00 - [20] I thank all who have voted so far.I will give it untill 00:00 gmt to close the vote down. but so far so good with most replies in favour of a tactical victory
Khal St	Posted - 2003.09.17 11:59:00 - [21] The 'COLD LAZARUS' manoeuvre gets my vote Nice one... ITS ALL JUST BIZ Only the insane prosper, only those who prosper can truly judge what is sane... Try TXI's Cal-afeÖ - That Caldari Power Taste! and now.. Tri-StarsiÖ - Power, Wealth & Revenge!
Arthur Guinness	Posted - 2003.09.17 12:17:00 - [22] It's a valid tactic. It not fair. It shows that there's still many things to balance with weapons. Imho they should change the behaviour of sentry guns. You were the one getting the station into danger, so the guns should shoot you :D you're enemies weren't too smart either :) -- The worst thing you can do when suggesting a solution to a problem is to provide alternatives, people end up arguing the alternatives instead of implementing the fix.
Ruby Stone	Posted - 2003.09.17 12:26:00 - [23] Not only a valid tactic, but a brilliant bit of tactics. Well done.
Vacuole	Posted - 2003.09.17 12:34:00 - [24] Since both sides have the same opportunity to know all about how those game mechanics work, then it's perfectly legit. I'm suprised you managed to lure them.. good work.
cold lazarus	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:48:00 - [25] I was going to give this topic untill 00:00 hours 18/09/03 but as it hit the back pages and not getting replies i will take the votes as is. all voted in favour of tactics . The fact that i have been vindicated by my peers has allowed me enjoy my victory.. thank you again
Gigi Ana	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:53:00 - [26] Edited by: Gigi Ana on 17/09/2003 15:14:42 Quote: The 'COLD LAZARUS' manoeuvre gets my vote Mine too. Er, polls have closed, darn. Oh well. I'm making notes now ... COLD LAZARUS MANEUVER - When overwhelmed by missile users, maneuver so the splash damage from your opponent's missiles will bring the wrath of Concord upon them. ~Gigi~
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:53:00 - [27] It's valid but fraid others have used it before so naming it after you might not be appropriate. Had it done to me with the guy using MWD tojet around the backside of the station while my cruise missiles were in flight. Soon as I saw what was going to happen, I start searching for anyplace to warp to that wasn't a station aligned with what was coming. Luckily it was before the tech lvl III sentry guns were added so my ship took 2-3 shots before warping off. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Lan2	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:00:00 - [28] very nice move. Very nice.
Von Wulfe	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:13:00 - [29] Golf Clap Seriously, there are some very fine tacticians in this game. I suggest we create a Tactician Post... and use replies as follows; Cold Lazuraus - Maneuver in which the defending ship moves close to an Epire structure. The splash damage from attacking ships cause the Empire structure to engage the threat. This could be useful information in the game manual... rather than what is currently out there.
Jehova	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:30:00 - [30] Quote: It's valid but fraid others have used it before so naming it after you might not be appropriate. Had it done to me with the guy using MWD tojet around the backside of the station while my cruise missiles were in flight. Soon as I saw what was going to happen, I start searching for anyplace to warp to that wasn't a station aligned with what was coming. Luckily it was before the tech lvl III sentry guns were added so my ship took 2-3 shots before warping off. Would be nice with a "Self Destruct" command for missiles that cause them to implode. _________________________________________________________ [email protected]
Klatuu	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:42:00 - [31] I think it was a valid tactic... not like they wouldn't notice the big station next to you.
cat stew	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:47:00 - [32] I'm suprised you even bothered to ask the communities opinion. Great piece of thinking that deserves a pat on the back. I must put my lateral thinking head on more often.
McWatt	Posted - 2003.09.17 16:59:00 - [33] great tactics, no one ever thought of this before, you totally rule!!! might i sincerly ask ccp to fgd finally change splash damage reaction to prolonged splash instead of adding idiotic stuff?!?
cold lazarus	Posted - 2003.09.17 17:12:00 - [34] Quote: great tactics, no one ever thought of this before, you totally rule!!! your poor attempt at sarcasm obviously means you never read the original post. it was a vote post not a ohh look how good I am post (that's in the galactic summit)
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.09.17 17:13:00 - [35] Cool! LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Sidus	Posted - 2003.09.17 17:16:00 - [36] I think that is not only fair but should go into some sort of Eve tactical manual. Like it has been said... Stupid is as stupid does. They didn't have to give chase or continue to use missiles... ________________________________________________ "Alle warten auf das Licht - f³rchtet euch f³rchtet euch nicht - die Sonne scheint mir aus den Augen - sie wird heut Nacht nicht untergehen - und die Welt zõhlt laut bis zehn"
Tyto	Posted - 2003.09.17 17:19:00 - [37] Quote: Since both sides have the same opportunity to know all about how those game mechanics work, then it's perfectly legit. I'm suprised you managed to lure them.. good work. Well as one of the opposing pilots, I feel it only fair to put my twopenneth in. There have been many people responding to the thread with questions about our intelligence. Please believe me when I say we are fully aware of splash damage. The maneuver was performed at a point when there were 12 missiles in space iirc. Five cruise and seven heavy. The missiles of course blindly follow the target and as a result were fired before the issue of splash damage was a reality. I think the reason we were a little upset was not the use of the tactic. Had a pilot done that to protect his 100M battleship I would applaud his excellent tactical use of the game and learn a hard lesson. What made this an unpleasant situation was that we have a long history with Cold and the Bringers of Hope. A long and pleasant one. All members of the PFM who have role played with them or fought with them have always shown a great deal of respect for them, I know I certainly have. I even remember at one time discussing with them what a shame it was that they were on the "wrong" side The pain came because Cold had said he wanted a little fun, so he had come in a cruiser rather than his BS. We were happy to have a little fun too, but we don't have BS to fall back on. It just seemed a little harsh to protect your "fun" cruiser to destroy two players best ships who have always played with good intentions and respect. Cold very kindly picked up our modules that were left, and re-imbursed me for the rifter I lost while stupidly (in the heat of the moment) undocking to try and pick up our rares. So credit where it's due. Thanks again for that. To sum up, we were upset that to protect a small asset for a player we like playing with, in a (we thought) "friendly" duel we lost our two best ships. Was it necessary? So the tactic is imo valid. Just used at a time that maybe was a little heavy handed. Stepping back, shields up and waiting for the "stupid" insults to come flying back. Cold, you know we love you, but man it was harsh. Tyto "Dulce Bellum Inexpertis"
cold lazarus	Posted - 2003.09.17 17:43:00 - [38] It was harsh Tyto i agree but a few points from me i was not protecting the bs ( why would i have fought Acwrons Tempest if i was protecting it)by figing in a cruiser i didnt use the bs because it was overkill. i did not intend for you to get hit by the cannons i intended you to stop shooting the bloody missiles at me (they hurt) i was traveling 35k at 171m/s headed stright past you to the station shooting as i went past i was not goin there to dock ( i thought it would be clear that my intentions were to take cover from the missiles while still being able to engage you both. i feel for the loss of you both and but i will not be called a cheat or a user of exploits to win my battles.
Tyto	Posted - 2003.09.17 17:52:00 - [39] Edited by: Tyto on 17/09/2003 17:54:24 Cold I don't recall calling it cheating. If I did, I apologise. It wasn't the tactic that I objected to, it was that you used it in a fight that was supposed to be fun. So far as your route to the station, it may be that was your intention, but what was clear to you was not to me. The view from my*****pit was not as clear as yours on your intentions. I also did not mean to imply you were protecting the BS, what I was trying to say was that for you a loss of a cruiser is a relatively small setback, for me, a fairly major one. I think you may have misunderstood what I was saying when I said "if you did it to protect a BS". What I meant was had you been flying the BS and we had the same fight, I would expect you to use any and all means to protect your largest asset. That's why when I lose mine it hurts. Once again, we always have fun roleplaying and fighting with you and your corp. I say again, not a cheat, just harsh under the circumstances with enormous problems created for us as a result. Tyto "Dulce Bellum Inexpertis"
cold lazarus	Posted - 2003.09.17 18:02:00 - [40] Tyto my fave enemy long have we fought with words and ships misunderstandings will happen and you did not accuse me of cheating i admit that it was the other valiant pilot who did maybe in the heat of the moment but the words sting me more than the loss of 100 battleships. the loss of a cruiser to me is a big loss i have to earn isk like everyone else.. i cannot go into battle after asking some one if they could afford to loose their ship that would be degrading to them and give me the reputation of being a bragger. I do hope this has not hampered our future engagements.
Gigi Ana	Posted - 2003.09.17 18:03:00 - [41] Quote: It's valid but fraid others have used it before so naming it after you might not be appropriate. A few reasons for why I think it would be appropriate: 1) "Cold Lazarus Maneuver" it just plain SOUNDS good ... 2) "Some Unknown Person's Maneuver" - it doesn't have any zing to it 3) Things often are not named for their originator, but rather for the person who popularized it. This post has gained a fair amount of attention.
SavX	Posted - 2003.09.17 18:07:00 - [42] In a life and death suituation, there are no rules, everything is valid. Don't Kill The Corp.. Kill the Suppliers.
cold lazarus	Posted - 2003.09.17 18:11:00 - [43] Thank you Gigi Ana I would be more than honored if such a tactic was given my name and gladly accept such an honor
McWatt	Posted - 2003.09.17 20:44:00 - [44] lazarus you are an idiot, and as any good iddy does, you believe everyone else is one, too. if i post " i killed 7 with one stroke" and write a threat asking "wether people think this was fair" it s easy to spot my true intentions. doing any of the concord tricks in a friendly fights is, hm, dubious. you should have known that a missile on its way cant be stopped, the only move that could have saved those two cruisers was an instant warp away. it s a long known fault, i would have appreciated your first post to notice that this, in combination with uber concord is a stupid bug, and that splash damage has to go soon, if they want missiles to be used. but keep your opinion!
cold lazarus	Posted - 2003.09.17 20:56:00 - [45] Quote: if i post " i killed 7 with one stroke" and write a threat asking "wether people think this was fair" it s easy to spot my true intentions. so easy to spot my intentions then give me a clear picture of what my intentions were ? as stated in the original post this was a vote thread only but if i had other intentions please feel free to tell me what they were?
McWatt	Posted - 2003.09.17 21:16:00 - [46] i guess that enough has been said. i m happy that this thread didn t end up with everyone calling "exploit", as it isn t one. but i would have wished that you had written somewhere that it s stupid that it s possible to use this strategy, and that they should have fixed it in this completly messed up patch!!!
Tyto	Posted - 2003.09.17 21:37:00 - [47] Well something just occured to me. I suppose the idea of splash damage is fair, in a universe where stations are safe havens which you run to in an emergency. But, I just realised. Nearly all of the action in the game takes place where the sentry guns are. I think splash damage is a legitimate part of the game, but as it is, it is a little black and white. Oh and I'm glad at least one other pilot could see where we were coming from. It was "woohaaa he's gonna blow!" to "Crud! Warp out! I'm gone!" in less than 3 secs. Oh and Cold, of course it doesn't affect our future engagements. But no complaining about the loss of your Apoc! Tyto "Dulce Bellum Inexpertis"
cold lazarus	Posted - 2003.09.17 21:48:00 - [48] Hell Tyto i never last time i lost one to moo but i did cry a little over the modules still have not replaced them all
Molly	Posted - 2003.09.17 21:49:00 - [49] CCP's answer: Cheat and exploit! My: Well done.
McWatt	Posted - 2003.09.17 21:50:00 - [50] in a cruiser, if you re not aligned towards your warp-target, your lost if sentrys open fire. no time to *click* so: no splash damage to ships ( i mean reaction wise) and stations should only react after taking multiple or massive damage and most important: someone bring concord back to earth (ah eve, i mean)
cold lazarus	Posted - 2003.09.17 22:00:00 - [51] Edited by: cold lazarus on 17/09/2003 22:15:45 Quote: in a cruiser, if you re not aligned towards your warp-target, your lost if sentrys open fire. no time to *click* Never go into battle without your auto pilot set to an escape system so all you have to do is click
Sparta	Posted - 2003.09.17 22:24:00 - [52] Just plain smart game play
Viqer Fell	Posted - 2003.09.17 22:30:00 - [53] Edited by: Viqer Fell on 17/09/2003 22:32:53 Cold I was the pilot that called you a cheat. I apologise, it was in the heat of the moment as you say and was perhaps an unfair comment to make. However under the circumstances of last night I was extremely annoyed with the tactic you employed which I still view as underhand. I won't repeat all that Tyto said as he covered most things however I feel some do need reiteration, especially for all those who have not thought things through and simply jumped on the "great tactic" bandwagon. At the point you turned towards the station you were circa 30kms from me and at angle which didn't make obvious your change of direction straight away. As you warped away the first time I had already warped out as those damned lasers of yours had wiped out my shields and were starting to hit me bad. I had had to leave all my lovely drones behind . However when I warped back in after recharging shields to reingage I found you gone and wandered off to collect my now defunct drones. At which point you also warped in and attacked me from the rear from a distance. I started firing missiles at you whilst abandoning my drones and returning to finish the duel that you had wanted. By the time I realised what you had done I had 7 heavy and light missiles running at high speed towards you (and the station) now it must have taken about 10 secs before I suddenly realised the implications of it but by this point Tyto was already taking hits from the sentries. I hit warp immediately but with the rupture turning like the QE2 I was dead before I even got to warp. I don't criticise the tactic in and of itself. What I was annoyed about (the same as tyto) is that you came to us, you said "I didnt bring my BS cause I'm just here for a bit of fun, lets duel I'm in a cruiser." Albeit in many more words but that was a concise summary. You knew there was two of us, you knew that we would be in ships that mean little to you but a damned lot to us and yet to protect an asset that represented less than 1% of your overall assets you used a manuevre like that. Had it being possible for us to stop firing and blown up all the missiles in flight i.e. self destruct then I would applaud you for using it in our duel. As it goes you were fully aware that missiles were in air from a distance away i.e. me at 20 kms that nothing could have stopped and that in continuing on your path the splash damage was inevitable. But continue you did. You claim to have been saving your ship from our damage which i admit was significant but then why not simply call in local for us to stop if the duel was just for fun as you purported. As it was, what to you was peanuts represented a significant investment to me. I say peanuts with the view that whilst mining to you means jumping in a bs with drones and doing 2 hours to get 5 mill (i'm guessing there but dont think thats a bad guess, feel free to correct me) 5m for me is a good many hours. Especially when its not at the wheel of a cruiser. Even if my times are out I am not lying when I say that to mine 5 mill for you is much less time consuming than it is for me. However I too would like to thank you for returning my modules. I could not have afforded to replace them without taking loans and I am being brutally honest here, skint now. To summarise, yes its in the game mechanics, yes its a good tactic, no you weren't cheating but was it a fair tactic and an honourable one to use under the circumstances? In my opinion no. I feel that our previous battles have always been good even when you logged off to avoid us destroying your battleship I could understand it but this? No, it was as I said last night underhand. If that upsets you I am beyond caring, I will continue to fight you and treat you the same in game as I always have but you lost a fair bit of respect in my eyes last night and that is a shame for such a worthy opponent as you have proved yourself. Ok, so what the hell is this Golden Ratio?
cold lazarus	Posted - 2003.09.17 23:03:00 - [54] Edited by: cold lazarus on 17/09/2003 23:13:37 Edited by: cold lazarus on 17/09/2003 23:10:59 Quote: I feel that our previous battles have always been good even when you logged off to avoid us destroying your battleship I could understand it but this? No, it was as I said last night underhand. That day Viqer was when the whole of eve shut down and was the beginning of the well documented DOS attacks on eve servers I did not log out to prevent my bs from being destroyed.. I do regret the phrase a bit of fun now as it clearly is no longer fun. I told you that eventful night how I have a 10 rating in eve this is because besides 2 rare moments I have never mined in eve. I have that rating because I have spent all my time in eve fighting npc pirates. in that time I have come up with many strategies and tactic to defeat other players my skills are totally war based (if the maller had missile hard points I would be using them too) I used a tactic that got both your ships destroyed I never meant for that to happen. as to the money i have had to earn it too i have lost over 200 mils worth of ships so i have more money than you it donÆt mean i can throw it about i earn it like everyone else and was earning the same amounts in my cruiser b4 i even had a a bs. for npc fighting a bs is safer but you can do the same in a well thought out L3 cruiser. how could I say to you "can you afford to loose the ships ?" without bringing a barrage of "who do you think you are" comments coming my way ? no I assumed from prev chats you were a well off corp with many members and could afford to loose a ship or two THAT and only that was my mistake
Viqer Fell	Posted - 2003.09.17 23:30:00 - [55] Edited by: Viqer Fell on 17/09/2003 23:33:26 Edited by: Viqer Fell on 17/09/2003 23:31:48 Ok a few points to clarify, I wasn't aware you'd told me you'd CTD'd that time so for the second time tonight gulp I apologise sincerely. Mayhap I'd had a beer or two but i'm sorry, no offense intended. Actually you wouldn't have had any abuse from us if you had of asked but I do see your point about that side of things. Its only the results of the tactic that made it not fun. The whole fight right up to the bloody sentries was a great deal of fun. To be honest I'd love a rematch but guess that'll have to wait. As for how you earnt your maoney i am not denying that you once had cruisers etc all I was saying is that for you to earn money now is less time consuming by a distance. I do understand the issues here cold, and I hope you can at least understand where I am coming from. As I say it is only in my eyes that it was an underhand tactic but that is because I suppose that I not only had prior knowledge of my financial position that you did not but we were about 3 seconds from killing your ship with you scrambled and to die at that point whilst i was desperately trying to warp and after watching tyto blow up in 5 secs flat,well, it was very galling. We are not a poor corp by any standards but we do not work the same way as most corps whereby ships are given out for free. For me to take money etc from corp funds means a loan not a gift and hence why i said i need to lend it, whether that be a private lend or from the corp etc. As i said before I will not hesitate to treat you the same as I did before, I am sure that we will have many more interesting battles and that time will give us the chance to role play a lot more. I am most definitely not trying to flame you here before i get accused of this, was just trying to put my side across so that people reading this didnt just have one side of the story with which to judge matters and also to vent my feelings of frustration at what happened to me I suppose. Coming to a station near you soon......patch bugs allowing ;) Ok, so what the hell is this Golden Ratio?
cold lazarus	Posted - 2003.09.17 23:43:00 - [56] It was a great battle and full honors go out to you and Tyto (damn those missiles). I would love a rematch in any system for better or worse we couldnÆt have picked better enemies [:lol:. I will indeed applaud you when you do finally destroy my ship it will happen eventually I am resigned to that fact but in the meantime the war will go on as usual. That is unless you wish to concede and come back to the loving embrace of the amarr
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2003.09.18 00:28:00 - [57] Get a room you two _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
Tyto	Posted - 2003.09.18 01:13:00 - [58] Heh, it's becoming a bit of a lurve fest now. Still, we don't have an enemy quite as good as the Calamer Bringers of Light. Long may we try to pod them See how uplifting it can be? I feel like those British and German soldiers playing football between the trenches on christmas day. It's ... it's just so beautiful! Bwaaaaaaaa sniff I'm ok now...really "Dulce Bellum Inexpertis"
cold lazarus	Posted - 2003.09.18 08:44:00 - [59] and it is much better than the usual "OMG OMG 1m l33t j00 just got pwned"
McWatt	Posted - 2003.09.18 10:09:00 - [60] Quote: Quote: in a cruiser, if you re not aligned towards your warp-target, your lost if sentrys open fire. no time to *click* Never go into battle without your auto pilot set to an escape system so all you have to do is click lazarus, please read my post, or at least listen to Viqer. other people too have recognised the grant strategy of setting outopilot to a system. alas if your ship is not pointing towards the stargate your going down by concord before it s turning to warp. thanks for sharing your insights, though.
cold lazarus	Posted - 2003.09.18 10:41:00 - [61] I read the post mcwat and i still say it and stand by it its worked for me in am omen and maller not the most agile ships in the universe. its been a life saver on manny a convoy raid
McWatt	Posted - 2003.09.18 10:49:00 - [62] have you been fighting concord recently?
cold lazarus	Posted - 2003.09.18 11:41:00 - [63] Last time i had a run in with sentry guns was 2 weeks ago they done 150 damage a shot but i try to avoid things like that

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