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Danalee
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Posted - 2014.02.20 10:03:00 -
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^^ How is that a meltdown?
Anyhow, RVB claiming to be only in a mutual defense pact since POCO changes and Gevlon proving that there is some real goon puppeteering of RVB going on since way before that.
Can't wait to see what comes from this discussion.
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:01:00 -
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Pete Butcher wrote:Froggy Storm wrote:This is excellent. While sitting in the hell camp Lyris explained just what the "Dunning Kruger" effect is. And here I get to see it applied.
Thanks. Pure goblin.
Try not to shoot the messenger all the time... It's silly. Try tackling the message for once? The Dunning Kruger effect label could just as easily be stamped on you, think about it (I know...);
Dunning and Kruger proposed that, for a given skill, incompetent people will: tend to overestimate their own level of skill; Check. fail to recognize genuine skill in others; Check fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy; Check recognize and acknowledge their own previous lack of skill, if they are exposed to training for that skill; pending...
Has RVB been used as goon hisec muscle or not? Are the wars coincidence or not? Are they paid for it? Is it for good fights? Why be covert about all that? etc...
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:24:00 -
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Pete Butcher wrote:I never seriously claim superiority, nor classify people into ladder placing myself on top, so you pretty much missed the mark. The reason I came to these threads is because I detest such people, which Gevlon is a prime example of. If he was being sarcastic/ironic, fine, but he is all serious. .
Ok, so you say you never seriously claim superiority, nor classify people into a ladder placing yourself on top, followed by claiming you are superior to mister Goblin because you know he is not ironic anywhere... Meanwhile ignoring the facts presented, prefering to keep shooting the messenger.
Got it.
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:42:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:This thread sucks.
Goblin, even if your correct, and RVB are some massive goon puppet entity... who cares? And furthermore, the idea of it being some type of "scam" unto its own membership is just silly. TMK they dont pay to join RVB, and most of their pilots just wanna shoot something and have fun. Im not seeing where the "scam" part is.
If it proves true, which at the moment, given the data (and the fact nobody cares to claim otherwise, instead shooting the messenger ad nauseum) it is, than the scam is where newbies are lured into a fun wargame group under false pretenses and promptly brainwashed into goon hisec sock-puppets and thrown under the bus.
Would all RVB members be in RVB if they knew they were just goon hisec cannon fodder?
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:04:00 -
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Ok Lucas, can you present said stats here, please? I'm talking about stats that dismis the following;
Can you see the running theme here? Except for self defense wars, E-UNI and Brave Newbies war and dummy wars without actual fighting, every single war of Blue Republic was in defense of Goonswarm Federation. Red is doing the same of course, since they join wars together.
If not... Is there another explenation for this than goons using RVB as hisec cannonfodder for quite some time? That's all I want to see straight.
For the rest, there are indeed many things that could be seen as propaganda, assumptions and personal opinions in the blog and threads but I prefer not to dig into those too much. That area is covered quite good already 
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:07:00 -
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^^ What?
Who put these words in your mouth?
Pete Butcher wrote: The reason I came to these threads is because I detest such people, which Gevlon is a prime example of. If he was being sarcastic/ironic, fine, but he is all serious.
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2014.02.20 16:09:00 -
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Mangala Solaris wrote:Angry rant with some useful info hidden in it. Wow... And here I was voting and vouching for you for CSM... So I'm a ****** by your standards now and you guys like all forms of pvp except with the vegemite ( ) retards... noted.
Louis Robichaud, Thanks for the rebuttal, it looks to be in order. My inquiry has been answered. Now unless new old data proves the trend, I think we can close this thought process.
D. Out 
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2014.02.20 17:20:00 -
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Mangala Solaris wrote:Mangala Solaris : (26 January 2014 - 07:15 PM) Im repricing on our kbs so may fix it may not be honestly idgaf
26th January? I was on my way back from the Winter Summit in Iceland at that stage. Stuck on a rail replacement bus till gone 8pm.
So there is someone on the RVB shoutbox using your name? Or are you saying you didn't post that ever? Oh and, suddenly the shoutbox is restricted, coincidence, I'm sure.
Sorry to be so hard on you, its a consequence of you being in the pants on fire hypocrit camp, I tend to paint those with the same brush. idgaf 
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2014.02.20 19:11:00 -
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Saeger1737 wrote:Bkm shut up, this is all the proof we needed to prove danlee is a man, and secretly your bedding with him, get back on topic.
The obvious problem here isn't goonswarm, its who and how you define your enemies. If you hate people who work out every major detail and find those loopholes in the system to better themselves then you'll probably hate goons.
Or if you hate people who self gloat, believing they are the best but dock run and or log when a fight presents itself, well then you might hate marmite.
Either way its just haters hating and an idiot with a blog being the puppet-master of C&P through his hate spouting bullshit, and your all pawns.
Man oh man, I always deny desperate attempts to woo me but this one makes me allmost regret that... Reading your sperg in a steve urkel (May he rest in peace) voice does make it less akward.
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2014.02.20 19:22:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote: Also the 15 neuts + panic log-ins was personally witnessed.
It was 8 neut reppers and was in the dark days before we kicked Vegas and Saeger for being generally unpleasant to be with. Since they were removed, things have gotten much better 
Anyhow, jita isn't our raison d'etre, hasn't been for a very long time. but it is where nullbears converge so we can't just leave it alone.
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2014.02.20 19:29:00 -
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Professor Clio wrote:I can use facts and numbers and twist them into propagana too, its easy. Watch:
In this most recent war we have done 13.81B worth of damage to marmite and they have done 15.55 B worth of damage to us. Marmite has roughly 300 members so we have done 46m isk worth of damage to each marmite member. Meanwhile there's roughly 7K RvB members so marmite has done 2.2m damage to each RvB member. We're winning by a HUGE margin!
Similarly we have done 20.36B isk worth of damage to lemmings, which is about 67m isk per member and they have done 25.4B damage to us, which is 3.6m isk per member.
My numbers are just as true as Gevlon's and make just as much sense (that is to say, very little)
Hmm... Looks like a certain stunningly beautiful/smart EVE player will be asking for a raise soon.
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2014.02.20 21:34:00 -
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I don't see why all these people hate Janoekovitsj in ukraine, I mean... He gets some nice moneys from the oil mobsters and Putin covertly has his back... **** Europe and the free markets and crap.
In short: Obama is ******.
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2014.02.21 08:35:00 -
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THIS:Zappity wrote:Who cares what the situation was five years ago? The situation now is more relevant. RvB is clearly aligned with a bloc. I think that is unfortunate given their strong history of just not caring. That's what made them so unique and useful.
I have consistently recommended that new PVPers join RvB until they find their feet. Now I hesitate. Perception matters even if the issue is actually irrelevant.
And also, I'd like this cleared up aswel;
Mangala Solaris wrote:Mangala Solaris : (26 January 2014 - 07:15 PM) Im repricing on our kbs so may fix it may not be honestly idgaf
26th January? I was on my way back from the Winter Summit in Iceland at that stage. Stuck on a rail replacement bus till gone 8pm.
So there is someone on the RVB shoutbox using your name? Or are you saying you didn't post that ever? Oh and, suddenly the shoutbox is restricted, coincidence, I'm sure.
Sorry to be so hard on you, its a consequence of you being in the pants on fire hypocrit camp, I tend to paint those with the same brush. idgaf 
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2014.02.21 14:56:00 -
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Xaerael Endiel wrote:Can I take this as admission that marmite has no interest in shooting POCOs, and you're just taking advantage of someone who's clearly mentally ill?
Look, take it anyway you want to but don't be so hard on yourself, we don't think you are THAT mentally ill... Maybe just a wee bit 
Oh, still trying to make this go away or something?;
Mangala Solaris wrote: Dear fellow RvB-ers. We have lot of fun in both Red versus Blue and purple wars.
But we unfortunately live in a *metagame* universe, where shooting the wrong Falcon can literally break coalitions. In a universe where spies, space-politicians, propagandist do their "serious" stuff, instead of just undocking and having fun.
We cannot allow even the appearance of being political, because we cannot allow a newbie think that if he joins us, he'll be banned from half of Nullsec by declared to be the spy of the other half. No matter how accurately we try to balance our actions, by luck or by others doing *metagame* we can end up fighting a war for someone else.
So, from now on, we will not initiate wars. We just fight Red versus Blue and of course we fight anyone who attacks us. We will also organize mutual wars with willing entities. While it takes some of the fun, it saves more.
And also, I'd like this cleared up aswel;
Mangala Solaris wrote:Mangala Solaris : (26 January 2014 - 07:15 PM) Im repricing on our kbs so may fix it may not be honestly idgaf
26th January? I was on my way back from the Winter Summit in Iceland at that stage. Stuck on a rail replacement bus till gone 8pm.
So there is someone on the RVB shoutbox using your name? Or are you saying you didn't post that ever? Oh and, suddenly the shoutbox is restricted, coincidence, I'm sure.
Sorry to be so hard on you, its a consequence of you being in the pants on fire hypocrit camp, I tend to paint those with the same brush. idgaf 
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2014.02.21 15:09:00 -
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Xaerael Endiel wrote:Danalee wrote:Xaerael Endiel wrote:Can I take this as admission that marmite has no interest in shooting POCOs, and you're just taking advantage of someone who's clearly mentally ill?
Look, take it anyway you want to but don't be so hard on yourself, we don't think you are THAT mentally ill... Maybe just a wee bit  Oh, still trying to make this go away or something?; Mangala Solaris wrote: Dear fellow RvB-ers. We have lot of fun in both Red versus Blue and purple wars.
But we unfortunately live in a *metagame* universe, where shooting the wrong Falcon can literally break coalitions. In a universe where spies, space-politicians, propagandist do their "serious" stuff, instead of just undocking and having fun.
We cannot allow even the appearance of being political, because we cannot allow a newbie think that if he joins us, he'll be banned from half of Nullsec by declared to be the spy of the other half. No matter how accurately we try to balance our actions, by luck or by others doing *metagame* we can end up fighting a war for someone else.
So, from now on, we will not initiate wars. We just fight Red versus Blue and of course we fight anyone who attacks us. We will also organize mutual wars with willing entities. While it takes some of the fun, it saves more.
And also, I'd like this cleared up aswel; Mangala Solaris wrote:Mangala Solaris : (26 January 2014 - 07:15 PM) Im repricing on our kbs so may fix it may not be honestly idgaf
26th January? I was on my way back from the Winter Summit in Iceland at that stage. Stuck on a rail replacement bus till gone 8pm. So there is someone on the RVB shoutbox using your name? Or are you saying you didn't post that ever? Oh and, suddenly the shoutbox is restricted, coincidence, I'm sure. Sorry to be so hard on you, its a consequence of you being in the pants on fire hypocrit camp, I tend to paint those with the same brush. idgaf  D.  "No You" stopped working on me when I was about 6. Sorry. Also, it's spelled "Hypocrite", Aswel isn't a word either, nor is aswell which I guess you were trying to go for. Try "as well" in future.
Thanks for keeping my post alive! Also, can you correct the following (colloquial flemish) sentence for me please?; Ge zij nen ongeluefelukke koter as ge peist dagge m+¬ ou ridikule opmeirkingskes iet goat bereike zulle! |

Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2014.02.21 15:16:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Danalee wrote:Thanks for keeping my post alive! Also, can you correct the following (colloquial flemish) sentence for me please?; Ge zij nen ongeluefelukke koter as ge peist dagge m+¬ ou ridikule opmeirkingskes iet goat bereike zulle! Forum rule 28. We don't need to speak other languages as ours was chosen as the "default language". If you want to avoid the bother of speaking English, find a localised subsection, or simply don't post. ^^ And that's exactly what makes it clear for everyone except you that YOU are trolling and have no valid argument.
Compared to your posts, Mister Goblin is the Albert Einstein for space computer games.
If you know what is meant but don't have any other rebuttals than grammar police, you've lost the argument.
Didn't see you tried to debunk it, sorry; Why lie about it and block the shoutbox than and the pants on fire bit was very nice compared to what it was directed at.
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2014.02.21 15:33:00 -
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You are a troll because you skip over everything that doesn't fit your narrative and jump on the small details with a fervor unknown to rational people.
At times I thought you were actually trying to have an argument, now it's clear you are trying your hardest to quell out every form thereof.
I'm right and it hurts you lot so hard that sooner or later you'll pop a vein before admitting there is a middle ground.
Mangala, would you please set this straight with us? Are these your words or not?
Mangala Solaris wrote: Dear fellow RvB-ers. We have lot of fun in both Red versus Blue and purple wars.
But we unfortunately live in a *metagame* universe, where shooting the wrong Falcon can literally break coalitions. In a universe where spies, space-politicians, propagandist do their "serious" stuff, instead of just undocking and having fun.
We cannot allow even the appearance of being political, because we cannot allow a newbie think that if he joins us, he'll be banned from half of Nullsec by declared to be the spy of the other half. No matter how accurately we try to balance our actions, by luck or by others doing *metagame* we can end up fighting a war for someone else.
So, from now on, we will not initiate wars. We just fight Red versus Blue and of course we fight anyone who attacks us. We will also organize mutual wars with willing entities. While it takes some of the fun, it saves more.
And also, I'd like this cleared up aswel;
Mangala Solaris wrote:Mangala Solaris : (26 January 2014 - 07:15 PM) Im repricing on our kbs so may fix it may not be honestly idgaf
26th January? I was on my way back from the Winter Summit in Iceland at that stage. Stuck on a rail replacement bus till gone 8pm. So there is someone on the RVB shoutbox using your name? Or are you saying you didn't post that ever? Oh and, suddenly the shoutbox is restricted, coincidence, I'm sure.
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2014.02.21 15:51:00 -
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Xaerael Endiel wrote: (Advice: I'm on a roll, I'd stop posting if I were you. You are literally making yourself look stupider with every post you make.)
Wait, you just called me out for being stupider than you? Based on my grammar or something? STUPIDER?
Lucas, read before posting maybe? I replied to your poor attempt of rebuttal and I'm 99% sure the words are indeed originally written by Mangala, hence my question, to make it 100% sure either way.
I conceded to the facts long before you came trolling and am just looking for closure, deal with it. The day I break any SPAM rules here will be the day you and yours have been banned from ever posting your nasty drivel again. Butt out.
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2014.02.21 16:21:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:You should all stop shitting on Danalee.
He's trolling (and bad at it) but the only reason he is ITT is to keep up the pretence that they're in it for the same reason Gevlon is, such that they can keep their free wardec.
If he stops, Gevlon might stop throwing his money down the toilet and blogging about it. This would be a negative outcome for us all and I don't know how I would replace that much schadenfreude in my life.
Nah, I already conceded that the OP was incorrect unless more data suddenly proved otherwise (it didn't yet) Than some lies catched my eve which kept me in the thread for a bit longer.
I'm happy we are getting paid to fight CFC alliances and RVB, don't get me wrong. Also happy that someone is fronting the brunt of the bills but my posts have nothing to do with that.
Stupider is grammatically dubious to say the least
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