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Rolschau	Posted - 2006.04.14 15:24:00 - [1] If I have Drones V, Drone Interfacing V, Gallente Carrier V and a firbolg fighter does 25 kinetic and 75 thermal damage per 5.25 sec then what damage would I do per 5 fighters per sec and from which maximum range? (If any other skill is needed then assume level 5 and tell which in the reply, please. Thanks. Scout skill affect range?) -=Background info=- Gallente Carrier Skill Bonuses: 10% bonus to deployed FightersÆ damage per level Can deploy 1 additional Fighter per level 200% bonus to Fighter control range Drone Interfacing bonus: 20% bonus to drone damage per level Drones bonus: Can operate 1 drone per skill level. Fighter bonus: 20% increase in fighter damage per level. Also, am I correct to say that a thanatos' fighters does more damage than a very good battleship?
Revenant Shadow	Posted - 2006.04.14 15:31:00 - [2] 75221.5=450 25221.5=150 450+150=600/5.25=114.3dps per drone 114.35=571.5 dps for each 5 Maximum of 15 drone, 15114.3=1714.5 dps if I'm doing this right. Also, this is with no resists.
DroppedAschild	Posted - 2006.04.14 15:32:00 - [3] firebolg dmg mod = 3,5 rof = 5,25 kin = 25 therm = 50 dmg = 75 3,5 * 2(drone interfacing) * 1,5(carrier skill) * 2(fighters skill) = 21 21 * 75 * 5 = 7875 dmg per volley or 1500 dps
ElCoCo	Posted - 2006.04.14 15:50:00 - [4] Is it a fact that drone interfacing affects fighters?
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.14 16:10:00 - [5] Originally by: Revenant Shadow 75221.5=450 25221.5=150 450+150=600/5.25=114.3dps per drone 114.35=571.5 dps for each 5 Maximum of 15 drone, 15114.3=1714.5 dps if I'm doing this right. Also, this is with no resists. you can only have 10 drones... Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin Who pwned who? ~kieron
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.14 16:10:00 - [6] Originally by: ElCoCo Is it a fact that drone interfacing affects fighters? i've been told it doesn't not sure though. Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin Who pwned who? ~kieron
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.04.14 16:14:00 - [7] Originally by: ElCoCo Is it a fact that drone interfacing affects fighters? also read somewhere that is doesnt, and im not sure too but doesnt 1500 DPS sound a bit low to you guys, specilly for a capital ship! -------------------Sig----------------------- Decrease blaster CPU useage Decrease Hybrid cap useage Balance all weapon systems DO IT SOON
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2006.04.14 16:23:00 - [8] a carrier shud definetly outdamage a battleship lol otherwise wtf is the point -_- ? - Gob (my nubie attempt at a forum sig, bare with me plz :p)
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.04.14 16:30:00 - [9] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig a carrier shud definetly outdamage a battleship lol otherwise wtf is the point -_- ? To sit elsewhere ... Die, die, die.
Baun	Posted - 2006.04.14 16:32:00 - [10] Edited by: Baun on 14/04/2006 16:33:14 Drone interfacing doesn't affect Fighters. A Thanatos maxes out at about 1500dps (which is about 3 times an maxxed Domi with Ogre IIs); ((753.51.52)/5.25)10 = 1500 dps. This is not high enough when you conisder that each drone costs 20mil. Fighters need to be upgraded to toggle warp follow and be given a damage boost (in addition to changing the bonuses on the non-gallente Carriers to something useful). Non-Thanatos pilots don't do any damage. Another solution to this is to introduce a new skill that requires Fighters lvl4. It would do 10% ROF per lvl for fighter drones. The Enemy's Gate is Down
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.04.14 16:37:00 - [11] Edited by: LUKEC on 14/04/2006 16:40:33 wanna hear a sick joke... There is a sick domi setup that does 1300dps and still tank fairly well:P ... few hours till i train adv.ss commmand 5... but i'll stop there, because i'll rather buy 10 domis... also wts thanatos :P Die, die, die.
Rolschau	Posted - 2006.04.14 16:41:00 - [12] Thanks for the clarifications so far. How many fighters can a Thanatos at skill level 5 use? 5 or 10, who has used more than 5 fighters? And it would be nice to get a clarification about if the Drone Interfacing V affect the damage of fighters! Does anyone have a recommedation to what the ship should at least have fitted, or a specific forum link?
Baun	Posted - 2006.04.14 16:53:00 - [13] Originally by: Rolschau Edited by: Rolschau on 14/04/2006 16:47:20 Thanks for the clarifications so far. How many fighters can a Thanatos at skill level 5 use? 5 or 10, who has used more than 5 fighters? And it would be nice to get a clarification about if the Drone Interfacing V affect the damage of fighters! Does anyone have a recommedation to what the ship should at least have fitted, or a specific forum link? Update: LUKEC, what on the 1300DPS domi setup? (I bet it has multiple guns and 4 hardeners or less) ..and at what price would you sell your Thanatos? 10 fighters The Enemy's Gate is Down
Baun	Posted - 2006.04.14 16:53:00 - [14] Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 14/04/2006 16:40:33 wanna hear a sick joke... There is a sick domi setup that does 1300dps and still tank fairly well:P ... few hours till i train adv.ss commmand 5... but i'll stop there, because i'll rather buy 10 domis... also wts thanatos :P I know that. I use that setup sometimes but its not a fair comparison since the setup uses guns too and carriers dont have guns. 5 Ogre IIs with maxed skills do about 500 dps. The Enemy's Gate is Down
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.04.14 16:58:00 - [15] Originally by: Baun Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 14/04/2006 16:40:33 wanna hear a sick joke... There is a sick domi setup that does 1300dps and still tank fairly well:P ... few hours till i train adv.ss commmand 5... but i'll stop there, because i'll rather buy 10 domis... also wts thanatos :P I know that. I use that setup sometimes but its not a fair comparison since the setup uses guns too and carriers dont have guns. 5 Ogre IIs with maxed skills do about 500 dps. Haha, point is, thanatos with maxed skills do 300dps more than domi with maxed skills, and it cannot get higher. And i prefer to be in the middle of fight than some lousy ss hugging drone assignment machine. Die, die, die.
ElCoCo	Posted - 2006.04.14 16:59:00 - [16] Originally by: Rolschau Does anyone have a recommedation to what the ship should at least have fitted, or a specific forum link? This game has gone all forums lately Anyway it's not even funny that we don't know which skills affect the fighters and which don't... after all it's only about a year of training to get a carrier and a few bils to fly/equip it.... sigh /pokes a DEV for some immediate clarification
Baun	Posted - 2006.04.14 18:00:00 - [17] Edited by: Baun on 14/04/2006 18:01:07 Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Baun Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 14/04/2006 16:40:33 wanna hear a sick joke... There is a sick domi setup that does 1300dps and still tank fairly well:P ... few hours till i train adv.ss commmand 5... but i'll stop there, because i'll rather buy 10 domis... also wts thanatos :P I know that. I use that setup sometimes but its not a fair comparison since the setup uses guns too and carriers dont have guns. 5 Ogre IIs with maxed skills do about 500 dps. Haha, point is, thanatos with maxed skills do 300dps more than domi with maxed skills, and it cannot get higher. And i prefer to be in the middle of fight than some lousy ss hugging drone assignment machine. agreed there are some major issues. That said, drone control mods will boost the thanatos DPS to 2250. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Muthsera	Posted - 2006.04.14 19:55:00 - [18] This is idiotic argument to compare a domi to a carrier. If you don't know how to operate them to their advantages I suddest you sell the carrier and stick to the domi. Having a carrier in local can not be stated how large an advantage it is. The abillity you get from that is over the moon. This is a daft argument as you cannot do the same abillity whit a domi. Your not going sologanking in a carrier anyway. And if you do let me know where your at. My thoughs
Baun	Posted - 2006.04.14 19:57:00 - [19] Edited by: Baun on 14/04/2006 20:01:10 Originally by: Muthsera This is idiotic argument to compare a domi to a carrier. If you don't know how to operate them to their advantages I suddest you sell the carrier and stick to the domi. Having a carrier in local can not be stated how large an advantage it is. The abillity you get from that is over the moon. This is a daft argument as you cannot do the same abillity whit a domi. Your not going sologanking in a carrier anyway. And if you do let me know where your at. To some extent it is comparable just combat wise. In order to do the damage of essentially 1.5 domis in grid you have to use 200million isk in drones. The only advantage you get from this is that people cant shoot the source of the drones. Until they fix the corp hanger etc its probably not all that accurate to discuss how the carrier provides ancillary benefits with the fitting and ship maintenance arrays. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Muthsera	Posted - 2006.04.14 20:03:00 - [20] Originally by: Baun To some extent it is comparable just combat wise. In order to do the damage of essentially 1.5 domis in grid you have to use 200million isk in drones. The only advantage you get from this is that people cant shoot the source of the drones. Until they fix the corp hanger etc its probably not all that accurate to discuss how the carrier provides ancillary benefits with the fitting and ship maintenance arrays. I'm talking just about the ability of the drones now. And you spend the isk on the capabillity not the damage output. So it gets kinda silly to discuss it as if it should have the same abillity. I know I whould rather have 1 carrier in system whit me than 4 domies tbh. My thoughs
Baun	Posted - 2006.04.14 20:08:00 - [21] Originally by: Muthsera Originally by: Baun To some extent it is comparable just combat wise. In order to do the damage of essentially 1.5 domis in grid you have to use 200million isk in drones. The only advantage you get from this is that people cant shoot the source of the drones. Until they fix the corp hanger etc its probably not all that accurate to discuss how the carrier provides ancillary benefits with the fitting and ship maintenance arrays. I'm talking just about the ability of the drones now. And you spend the isk on the capabillity not the damage output. So it gets kinda silly to discuss it as if it should have the same abillity. I know I whould rather have 1 carrier in system whit me than 4 domies tbh. I think I would too but dont you think that without the drone control mods that their utility is severely diminished? (not to mention the broken hanger) The Enemy's Gate is Down
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.04.14 20:12:00 - [22] Originally by: Muthsera Originally by: Baun To some extent it is comparable just combat wise. In order to do the damage of essentially 1.5 domis in grid you have to use 200million isk in drones. The only advantage you get from this is that people cant shoot the source of the drones. Until they fix the corp hanger etc its probably not all that accurate to discuss how the carrier provides ancillary benefits with the fitting and ship maintenance arrays. I'm talking just about the ability of the drones now. And you spend the isk on the capabillity not the damage output. So it gets kinda silly to discuss it as if it should have the same abillity. I know I whould rather have 1 carrier in system whit me than 4 domies tbh. And what else? That is the question here... because 4 domis can make a nasty camp, however 1 carrier ALONE is just big target and nice killmail. We aren't talking about solo pvp, however 1 carrier wont do much difference i think ... Atm their biggest use is to move ships around, do hardcore cosmos missions and move zydrine to empire :P Die, die, die.
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.04.14 20:50:00 - [23] Originally by: LUKEC And what else? That is the question here... because 4 domis can make a nasty camp, however 1 carrier ALONE is just big target and nice killmail. We aren't talking about solo pvp, however 1 carrier wont do much difference i think ... Atm their biggest use is to move ships around, do hardcore cosmos missions and move zydrine to empire :P yeh ability to jump 60 K M^3 of zyd is a nice touch, shame i wasted about 1.5mil SP training advanced spaceship command and other cap skills. atm carriers imo = joke BTW lukec, did u help me kill a megathron, domi, raven, few bc, scorp a while back you where in a vaga if i remember correctly and it was around the rqh area, but im not sure if it was you, i just remember the char pick. -------------------Sig----------------------- Decrease blaster CPU useage Decrease Hybrid cap useage Balance all weapon systems DO IT SOON
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.04.14 21:05:00 - [24] i don't fly vaga, sorry... Die, die, die.
Baun	Posted - 2006.04.14 23:33:00 - [25] Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: LUKEC And what else? That is the question here... because 4 domis can make a nasty camp, however 1 carrier ALONE is just big target and nice killmail. We aren't talking about solo pvp, however 1 carrier wont do much difference i think ... Atm their biggest use is to move ships around, do hardcore cosmos missions and move zydrine to empire :P yeh ability to jump 60 K M^3 of zyd is a nice touch, You can actually move up to 450k m3 :o The Enemy's Gate is Down
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.04.14 23:50:00 - [26] Originally by: Baun Originally by: Gronsak yeh ability to jump 60 K M^3 of zyd is a nice touch, You can actually move up to 450k m3 :o WTF your joking? i thought they could fit 2 industrials and with 2 ity 5 youd get about 60-70k how do u get close to 400k? -------------------Sig----------------------- Decrease blaster CPU useage Decrease Hybrid cap useage Balance all weapon systems DO IT SOON
Baun	Posted - 2006.04.15 01:22:00 - [27] Edited by: Baun on 15/04/2006 01:22:28 Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Baun Originally by: Gronsak yeh ability to jump 60 K M^3 of zyd is a nice touch, You can actually move up to 450k m3 :o WTF your joking? i thought they could fit 2 industrials and with 2 ity 5 youd get about 60-70k how do u get close to 400k? Hint: There is a recent thread about it. O and 2 Itty 5s dont fit. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.04.15 01:41:00 - [28] Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: ElCoCo Is it a fact that drone interfacing affects fighters? also read somewhere that is doesnt, and im not sure too but doesnt 1500 DPS sound a bit low to you guys, specilly for a capital ship! That's only the 'drones/fighters, you still have captial weaponry to use, and Carriers aren't the OMGWTFBBQ damage dealers, that job is (in theory) done by the Dreads. Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.04.15 01:44:00 - [29] Originally by: LUKEC Haha, point is, thanatos with maxed skills do 300dps more than domi with maxed skills, and it cannot get higher. And i prefer to be in the middle of fight than some lousy ss hugging drone assignment machine. Your Thanatos will only do 300DPs more, but it'll tank much better, and it'll raise your gang's DPS a good bit by sending up to 5 fighters to give extra firepower to your gang. Would you rather Fly your domi in a gang with say, 1-2 inties ans 2-3 AFS, or fly your thanatos with the same gang, and 4-5 fighters assigned to each of those ships? Assuming you wouldn;t mine spending the extra couple hundred mil on fighters. Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Baun	Posted - 2006.04.15 01:53:00 - [30] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: ElCoCo Is it a fact that drone interfacing affects fighters? also read somewhere that is doesnt, and im not sure too but doesnt 1500 DPS sound a bit low to you guys, specilly for a capital ship! That's only the 'drones/fighters, you still have captial weaponry to use, and Carriers aren't the OMGWTFBBQ damage dealers, that job is (in theory) done by the Dreads. WTF are you on? Carriers have no hardpoints at all AND they have no alternate capital high slot mods they can fit. The Enemy's Gate is Down

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