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01101989
Six Feet Down Under
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:35:00 -
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AnotherUseless Alt wrote:What if...... The B-R fight was orchestrated by CCP, paying off some of the leadership of PL and Goons to ensure an epic battle, without over-stressing the node. I mean,according to some reports, they spend 6 million a year on advertising, I've never seen it. Where do they advertise? Considering the fight seems to have generated quite a bit of free advertising and drawn a fairly large spike in numbers, I guess spending a few hundred K among some key people would probably be a worthwhile investment. With the constant NDA drive that everyone seems to be on, it certainly wouldn't be hard to keep it quiet. And many EvE players aren't rich in real life, it certainly would be cheap enough to buy a few. But if it were true, and you found that CCP was ok with spreading money behind the scenes to generate a buzz., how would you feel about it? Let the flaming begin....before the Lock...
I bet you also didn't know that about 25% of those titans weren't even fitted. What could that mean? |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
316
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:39:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Chances are this probably happened. Considering the whole thing happened due to a bugged wallet. What better way to reinforce the integrity of the game that came into question with HED-GP with an equally if not more so impressive battle a week later, on the anniversary of the epic brawl of Asakai You could be posting in jest, and just accept that this was human error all along that created this fight, but I will assume that you are serious. Has anyone confirmed what ever happened specifically with that payment? From what I have read, someone in N3 screwed up, and that was the catalyst for the whole mess.
It was more tongue in cheek yes. I don't think CCP would purposefully intervene in the game that way.
But it wasn't N3 that did anything wrong. HAVOC (the holding corp at the time) is an alt corp of PL member Manfred Sideous. So about the only connection N3 had to that system at all was the fact HAVOC is in S2N. This was a PL thing the only people who know the nature of what happened are Manny, CCP and anyone Manny or CCP has told.
Could be a ruse, could be a **** up. Either way only winner at the end of the day is CCP, which was nice timing for them considering they spent the week prior reeling from the clusterfuck that was HED-GP, and the reaction of the gaming community to server issues that cropped up during it. |
SKINE DMZ
Stay Frosty.
318
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:47:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:AnotherUseless Alt wrote: I mean,according to some reports, they spend 6 million a year on advertising, I've never seen it. Where do they advertise?
My bar pays 60k a year for a 1/8 page ad in each of the two local weeklies. That's 120k for just one thing hardly anyone sees. Advertising is not cheap. Six million a year worldwide is nothing for a game company. Barely a blip in your peripheral vision. Mr Epeen You are correct advertising is not cheap, but 60k for that, are these stories from your boss or are you the boss? If so man you are getting ripped off. I disagree |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:51:00 -
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AnotherUseless Alt wrote: The B-R fight was orchestrated by CCP, paying off some of the leadership of PL and Goons to ensure an epic battle, without over-stressing the node.
If more than one person knows a secret, then it's not a secret.
If CCP were to do something like this, they would be vulnerable to blackmail by both parties, and thus would be forced to keep both happy, which could be difficult in a "Alice hates Bob, Bob hates Alice, and both want CCP to do something about the other person" scenario.
tl;dr Not wasting any tinfoil on the OP.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Alduin666 Shikkoken
Perkone Caldari State
501
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Posted - 2014.02.21 18:18:00 -
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Please explain how CCP paying people to orchestrate a fight is free advertising. Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.
Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1475
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Posted - 2014.02.21 19:01:00 -
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Don't know if they did if they did its brilliant. The lemmings that make up the mega coallitions deserve no better then to be used like this. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10255
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Posted - 2014.02.21 19:54:00 -
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anyone who thinks B-R was orchestrated or staged in any way is insane
N3/PL had been fielding slowcats, dreads, supercarriers and titans for almost every timer in this war until B-R. Unlike those timers, however, we had the numbers on hand to counterdrop with our hardware. Emergent ******* gameplay~ Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
316
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Posted - 2014.02.21 19:58:00 -
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Andski wrote:anyone who thinks B-R was orchestrated or staged in any way is insane
N3/PL had been fielding slowcats, dreads, supercarriers and titans for almost every timer in this war until B-R. Unlike those timers, however, we had the numbers on hand to counterdrop with our hardware. Emergent ******* gameplay~
More like finally put on big boy pants and brought the right tool for the job. Your point stands, but lets not pretend all you needed was the numbers. You just needed someones balls to drop...and they did. No more, no less. Could have done the same in HED the week before if you didn't **** up the grid with 1500 Domis. |
Victoria Thorne
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2014.02.21 21:25:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote: It's not Dinsdale. His correct name is Doomsdale.
Doomsdale this Doomsdale that. It's all just Doomsdale.
I don't know, using the name of a character from a Monty Python skit who was convinced that he was being followed around by a giant hedgehog named Spiny Norman seems equally appropriate. It's a bit hard to take seriously.
Every time I see a post, I think "Dinsdale!"," DINSDALE!"
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1475
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Posted - 2014.02.21 21:45:00 -
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Andski wrote:anyone who thinks B-R was orchestrated or staged in any way is insane
N3/PL had been fielding slowcats, dreads, supercarriers and titans for almost every timer in this war until B-R. Unlike those timers, however, we had the numbers on hand to counterdrop with our hardware. Emergent ******* gameplay~
Speaking of insane, anyone that trusts a Goon qualifies as one. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1229
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Posted - 2014.02.21 22:04:00 -
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i see one problem here: let's say i'm PL leader (LoL) and i'm having heavy losses in this battle. Suddenly i'm contacted by CCP (we will call it 'X') and asked to not 'overload' node.
Now i have 2 options: 1) batphone everybody and his dog and mitigate losses, possibly win the fight or crash the node 2) agree to X's offer and have losses.
Ok, let's say X pays me to chose second way. What currency can he use? - ISK: it won't help because those Titans need to be built, and ISK won't help to recover fast - real money: it won't help to alliance.
So for every long-term alliance leader this offer would be not acceptable The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Oblivion King
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.02.21 22:42:00 -
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sad thread |
John XIII
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
120
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Posted - 2014.02.22 05:18:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:More like finally put on big boy pants and brought the right tool for the job. Your point stands, but lets not pretend all you needed was the numbers. You just needed someones balls to drop...and they did. No more, no less. Could have done the same in HED the week before if you didn't **** up the grid with 1500 Domis.
Chill man, the 1,500 nerds in domis were foaming at the mouth to go at that wrecking ball in HED. The wrecking ball is an incredible doctrine and we wanted to kill it! One d-scan of our staging system told us we were going to pave the way for the bigs. Every domi pilot in the fight was prepared to burn to get that grid ready.
How badass is it that n3/pl had all those caps and supers on grid for hours daring us to come? There might have been a revolt if the subcab backbone of the CFC got benched for the HED fight.
Did it cost us the battle? I think so.
But lessons learned from the HED battle helped us win the Halloween War at B-R.
gf
TL,DR - Your conspiracy theory is a steaming pile of $hit. Cruise on over to kugu and read the threads and then tell me those dudes would be willing to take a loss of that magnitude to help CCP. No way baby.
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Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2014.02.22 05:27:00 -
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Psh.. CCP conspiring with in-game entities? OBSURD! Next someone will probably make up a conspiracy about CCP devs selectively handing out Tech 2 BPOs to many.. of... the.... same......... power blocs......... that still....... exist....
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Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2014.02.22 06:43:00 -
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....or secretly give their ISK sucking scheme 'volunteers' super rare and otherwise unobtainable one-offs... To believe that conspiracies do not exist means you have become a victim of those conspiring to make you believe such things. |
Zu Tsang
Justified Chaos
32
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Posted - 2014.02.22 08:19:00 -
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More like Orcastrated by the mittaqni to gain revenue on his site |
Sevendeadly Sins
Meatshield Bastards The Bastards.
91
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Posted - 2014.02.22 12:16:00 -
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Zu Tsang wrote:More like Orcastrated by the mittaqni to gain revenue on his site Who or what is "the mittaqni"? http://www.zombo.com |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
5011
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Posted - 2014.02.22 12:28:00 -
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AnotherUseless Alt wrote:What if......
The B-R fight was orchestrated by CCP, paying off some of the leadership of PL and Goons to ensure an epic battle, without over-stressing the node.
I found the flaw in your premise.
It didn't crash, but it was definitely over-stressed.
Try harder.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Knights Armament
TDSIN Application Sent
213
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Posted - 2014.02.22 13:18:00 -
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I do find it strange that twitch had so many viewers for such an awful battle, yet none of us full time streamers can get more than 3 people watching EvE when the view bots aren't up. CCP needs to take some of the 7 million dollars dedicated to advertising the game, and help us streamers get to the front page of twitch by viewbotting us up like league of legends@riot does, and players like kripperian. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZOdADD5RNs&feature=youtu.be http://evemouthbreathers.blogspot.com/ https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=29554516-05f9-4eca-a942-32e1701a6569&action=buddy |
Knights Armament
TDSIN Application Sent
213
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Posted - 2014.02.22 13:31:00 -
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What if CCP soundwave is being payed to spy on Riot games, a double agent of sorts? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZOdADD5RNs&feature=youtu.be http://evemouthbreathers.blogspot.com/ https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=29554516-05f9-4eca-a942-32e1701a6569&action=buddy |
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Seven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
881
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Posted - 2014.02.22 17:44:00 -
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A great flood in Albion, from the North a great terror awakes Olde foes clash in the Bouches-du-Rh+¦ne In cages of water they entrapped by The Maltese Seventy Five will fall
~Nostradamus, Century 17, Quatrain XCVII, 1665 A.D
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Paige Archelone
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.02.22 19:29:00 -
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01101989 wrote:AnotherUseless Alt wrote:What if...... The B-R fight was orchestrated by CCP, paying off some of the leadership of PL and Goons to ensure an epic battle, without over-stressing the node. I mean,according to some reports, they spend 6 million a year on advertising, I've never seen it. Where do they advertise? Considering the fight seems to have generated quite a bit of free advertising and drawn a fairly large spike in numbers, I guess spending a few hundred K among some key people would probably be a worthwhile investment. With the constant NDA drive that everyone seems to be on, it certainly wouldn't be hard to keep it quiet. And many EvE players aren't rich in real life, it certainly would be cheap enough to buy a few. But if it were true, and you found that CCP was ok with spreading money behind the scenes to generate a buzz., how would you feel about it? Let the flaming begin....before the Lock... I bet you also didn't know that about 25% of those titans weren't even fitted. What could that mean?
It means they were smart enough to drop their fits into a mobile depot before they died. There were dozens of them in system when it was all over. |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
316
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Posted - 2014.02.22 22:14:00 -
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John XIII wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:More like finally put on big boy pants and brought the right tool for the job. Your point stands, but lets not pretend all you needed was the numbers. You just needed someones balls to drop...and they did. No more, no less. Could have done the same in HED the week before if you didn't **** up the grid with 1500 Domis. Chill man, the 1,500 nerds in domis were foaming at the mouth to go at that wrecking ball in HED. The wrecking ball is an incredible doctrine and we wanted to kill it! One d-scan of our staging system told us we were going to pave the way for the bigs. Every domi pilot in the fight was prepared to burn to get that grid ready. How badass is it that n3/pl had all those caps and supers on grid for hours daring us to come? There might have been a revolt if the subcab backbone of the CFC got benched for the HED fight. Did it cost us the battle? I think so. But lessons learned from the HED battle helped us win the Halloween War at B-R. gf TL,DR - Your conspiracy theory is a steaming pile of $hit. Cruise on over to kugu and read the threads and then tell me those dudes would be willing to take a loss of that magnitude to help CCP. No way baby.
Domi's are not the answer to Capital Fleets. If CFC wanted to blob with subcaps they could have used any other BS really and spent the 8 hours vollying Slows off the field. Maels would have been best and considering the training needs for Omega Fleet most CFC training for Nags should have been able to fly Maels.
But that wasn't the goal anyway. The entire reason of using Domis was to overload the grid and force CCP to make a kneejerk reaction regarding Drones. Which they have announced they plan to do. Your leadership and FC's aren't idiots, they knew Domis weren't the answer, but Domis allowed them to get a mechanic changed, that they wanted changed. Martini himself even punched up the exact reason CFC would field Domis in September, with the sole purpose of getting Drone Assist Nerfed.
As for Kugu posting, there were just as many tears following HED there as there were here, and there was just as much smug there is here. But it also isn't full of dumb *****. If you read Kugu you would know Manny has no idea why sov dropped, he has no idea why the HAVOC wallet didn't make the transaction. He also provided evidence of similar issues happening in the past with HAVOC assets.
Which leaves 2 options. Either Manny is lying and knows exactly why sov was dropped, or there was a bug, which CCP will never admit to publicly because the whole fight in B-R was dependent on that sov dropping, and all the good press generated by B-R would be for naught, and would amount to more damage in the gaming community than the clusterfuck in HED did.
Or it was a setup thing, where N3PL, CFC/RUS, and CCP all opted to make up for the bad press from HED. (which is highly unlikely).
One thing is for sure. It had nothing to do with the number of dudes CFC had as Andski claimed. CFC dropped their **** because Laz, Sort and other CFC/RUS leadership decided to man up and drop the actual tools for the job, which amounted to Dreads/Supers/Titans...not 1500 Domis and their 7500 Sentry Drones. |
AnotherUseless Alt
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2014.02.22 22:17:00 -
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WTF? I put up a troll post, and it's still going? And not locked? I demand ANSWERS! "Self help is all in your head" |
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Perkone Caldari State
501
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Posted - 2014.02.22 22:18:00 -
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AnotherUseless Alt wrote:WTF? I put up a troll post, and it's still going? And not locked? I demand ANSWERS!
THE ISDs ARE SLEEPING Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.
Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
356
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Posted - 2014.02.22 22:23:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:I do find it strange that twitch had so many viewers for such an awful battle, yet none of us full time streamers can get more than 3 people watching EvE when the view bots aren't up. CCP needs to take some of the 7 million dollars dedicated to advertising the game, and help us streamers get to the front page of twitch by viewbotting us up like league of legends@riot does, and players like kripperian.
If you offer interesting content, viewers will watch.
What I've watched though has been akin to watching paint dry.
So if you're streaming your ship orbiting an FW plex button while you go afk to eat donuts or whatever, it's a wonder you even manage 3 viewers.
Mostly watching someone else play EvE is boring because a lot of the time there is no action. EvE is generally small periods of action separated by long periods of preparing for action (in very broad terms).
Individual fights draw a crowd because of the expectation that there will be constant or at least frequent action to view and/or because it's an epic or rare event. eve-bazaar - I'm not associated with them, but support it as a worthwhile service |
GOTBOT
State Protectorate Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.02.22 22:48:00 -
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Ok, let's say ... The day before the update rubicon 1.1 /not successful/ falls sovereignty B-R5RB and this event occurs.. Without fear of jumping 100 Titans ... Broadcast is ready... is not a theory? What then?
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Ramone Ormand
The Scope Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2014.02.22 22:55:00 -
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01101989 wrote:
I bet you also didn't know that about 25% of those titans weren't even fitted. What could that mean?
Titans take a long time to die, especially in tidi. When some of those Titan pilots knew that they were going to die they unfitted all of their dead space/capital modules worth billions and ejected them into those mobile things that go into reinforced mode. This was so that there was a small chance that they could be saved, so that randoms wouldn't profit from their death, and as a middle finger to the enemies because they ended up with a kill mail worth less than it should have been.
Then there's the comedy aspect of it when people don't understand what they were doing |
GOTBOT
State Protectorate Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.02.22 23:09:00 -
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I do not understand ignoring updates rubicon 1.1 and B-R5RB.
And of priority; It!
is not so?
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GOTBOT
State Protectorate Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.02.22 23:48:00 -
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I mean, when 100 goon`s titans jump without fear.
So it was necessary for someone ..
And someone knew ALL ..
THIS IS NOT A CONSPIRACY
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