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AnotherUseless Alt
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2014.02.21 05:11:00 -
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What if......
The B-R fight was orchestrated by CCP, paying off some of the leadership of PL and Goons to ensure an epic battle, without over-stressing the node.
I mean,according to some reports, they spend 6 million a year on advertising, I've never seen it. Where do they advertise?
Considering the fight seems to have generated quite a bit of free advertising and drawn a fairly large spike in numbers, I guess spending a few hundred K among some key people would probably be a worthwhile investment. With the constant NDA drive that everyone seems to be on, it certainly wouldn't be hard to keep it quiet. And many EvE players aren't rich in real life, it certainly would be cheap enough to buy a few.
But if it were true, and you found that CCP was ok with spreading money behind the scenes to generate a buzz., how would you feel about it?
Let the flaming begin....before the Lock...
"Self help is all in your head" |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
335
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Posted - 2014.02.21 05:13:00 -
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The B-R fight?
That's like 3 weeks ago or something. So old my fading memory hardly recalls it anymore.
A little bit late for this conspiracy.
However, to answer your hypothetical: how would I feel about CCP spreading some greenback love to generate content - more power to them. Their game and they can do what they want as long as I can enjoy my gametime.
eve-bazaar - I'm not associated with them, but support it as a worthwhile service |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2289
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Posted - 2014.02.21 05:13:00 -
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AnotherUseless Alt wrote:What if...... The B-R fight was orchestrated by CCP, paying off some of the leadership of PL and Goons to ensure an epic battle, without over-stressing the node. I mean,according to some reports, they spend 6 million a year on advertising, I've never seen it. Where do they advertise? Considering the fight seems to have generated quite a bit of free advertising and drawn a fairly large spike in numbers, I guess spending a few hundred K among some key people would probably be a worthwhile investment. With the constant NDA drive that everyone seems to be on, it certainly wouldn't be hard to keep it quiet. And many EvE players aren't rich in real life, it certainly would be cheap enough to buy a few. But if it were true, and you found that CCP was ok with spreading money behind the scenes to generate a buzz., how would you feel about it? Let the flaming begin....before the Lock...
That sounds quite plausible, actually.
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning.
The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4663
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Posted - 2014.02.21 05:13:00 -
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Damn, someone figured it all out.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4206
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Posted - 2014.02.21 05:22:00 -
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AnotherUseless Alt wrote:
I mean,according to some reports, they spend 6 million a year on advertising, I've never seen it. Where do they advertise?
My bar pays 60k a year for a 1/8 page ad in each of the two local weeklies. That's 120k for just one thing hardly anyone sees. Advertising is not cheap.
Six million a year worldwide is nothing for a game company. Barely a blip in your peripheral vision.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Kinis Deren
The Nyan Cat Pirates
Disband.
280
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Posted - 2014.02.21 06:39:00 -
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I doubt it tbh.
IMHO it would represent a very poor return for the investment. A quick look at the new player count shows the B-R effect tailed off rather dramatically. I suspect a lot of those new players will likely dissappear once they discover the reality of TiDi soaked large battles in null .... assuming there will be such events in 'bluesec' null ever again, of course.
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
1040
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Posted - 2014.02.21 06:40:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Damn, someone figured it all out.
Sucks, eh? |
Natassia Krasnoo
R3D SHIFT
Brothers Of The Dark Sun
164
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Posted - 2014.02.21 06:50:00 -
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Could it have happened? Sure. But with EVE just about everything comes to light eventually. T20 anyone? So not likely. I don't think CCP would need that kind of advertising. If they wanted to all they'd have to do to generate a lot of press is open Jove space. Just the word of mouth buzz would generate a lot of press on that one. Interesting conspiracy theory, but with the CCP internal affairs team in place I find it highly unlikely! |
Juan Diolosa
The Nommo
Insurance Fraud.
3
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Posted - 2014.02.21 06:56:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Advertising is not cheap.
QFT.
And that is Print. I've been in the advertising business for 16 years. Your 120k schedule is crazy money for a bar (in print) unless you're getting co-op from your alcohol vendors. I know AE's that would do dirty stuff for that. :) |
Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
143
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Posted - 2014.02.21 07:02:00 -
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Kinis Deren wrote:I doubt it tbh.
IMHO it would represent a very poor return for the investment. A quick look at the new player count shows the B-R effect tailed off rather dramatically. I suspect a lot of those new players will likely dissappear once they discover the reality of TiDi soaked large battles in null .... assuming there will be such events in 'bluesec' null ever again, of course.
Because that's what all noobs do right off the bat. Go to null.
I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
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Victoria Thorne
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2014.02.21 07:17:00 -
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I have a theory that Dinsdale is actually an alt of the Mittani. I have no proof of this, nor I have done any other research beyond occasionally seeing Dinsdale's posts. |
Adolf Kaundur
Harbingers of Chaos Inc
The East India Co.
4
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Posted - 2014.02.21 07:53:00 -
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Aliens. |
Divine Entervention
The Lonetrek Militia
Rapidus Incitus Pactum
29
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Posted - 2014.02.21 08:10:00 -
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Take into consideration the BR fight also happened like, what was it? 1 year to the day after whatever that other major attention drawing fight happened to be?
I was kicking around some thoughts on the high likely hood that the entire ordeal was an orchestration on the highest level. Naturally, those who wish to only accept things at their immediate face value, disregard the possibilities to prevent them from having to admit to their inadequacies, not being as important as they feel they are.
It's nice to see someone else came to this same conclusion, albeit a couple of weeks later. |
Sevendeadly Sins
Meatshield Bastards
The Bastards.
90
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Posted - 2014.02.21 08:24:00 -
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Also, every goon to have ever existed is actually an alt of the Mitanni.
http://www.zombo.com |
Roxie Glitz
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2014.02.21 08:50:00 -
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So, where or who is the Broker right now..? |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
338
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Posted - 2014.02.21 09:48:00 -
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Victoria Thorne wrote:I have a theory that Dinsdale is actually an alt of the Mittani. I have no proof of this, nor I have done any other research beyond occasionally seeing Dinsdale's posts.
It's not Dinsdale. His correct name is Doomsdale.
Doomsdale this Doomsdale that. It's all just Doomsdale.
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Seven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
871
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Posted - 2014.02.21 10:18:00 -
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Depends if that autopay was really selected or not...... |
Zapp McDouche
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.02.21 10:21:00 -
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CCP doesn't pay Goons its Goons who pay CCP bribes in crates of traditional icelandic meals  |
Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
523
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Posted - 2014.02.21 11:37:00 -
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They definitely should pay employees to play as regular folks and create content for the masses, but this.... nah.
- Join the Epic Boo Bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!)
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Freedom Munition
TDSIN Application Sent
3
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Posted - 2014.02.21 12:16:00 -
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AnotherUseless Alt wrote:What if...... The B-R fight was orchestrated by CCP, paying off some of the leadership of PL and Goons to ensure an epic battle, without over-stressing the node. I mean,according to some reports, they spend 6 million a year on advertising, I've never seen it. Where do they advertise? Considering the fight seems to have generated quite a bit of free advertising and drawn a fairly large spike in numbers, I guess spending a few hundred K among some key people would probably be a worthwhile investment. With the constant NDA drive that everyone seems to be on, it certainly wouldn't be hard to keep it quiet. And many EvE players aren't rich in real life, it certainly would be cheap enough to buy a few. But if it were true, and you found that CCP was ok with spreading money behind the scenes to generate a buzz., how would you feel about it? Let the flaming begin....before the Lock...
Lets say I start an advertising company, I offer to advertise the game for 3 million dollars, ccp sends the money to my company. I go on the forum and post about how great EvE is, I keep the 3 million, my cousin who works at CCP gets a nice check as a "gift". I could see something like that going down if you wanted to get tinfoil about it, but Pay per Click advertising isn't cheap, its sometimes almost a dollar per click to get onto the front page of major websites. |
Charlie Firpol
Noob Mercs
Monkeys with Guns.
126
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Posted - 2014.02.21 12:32:00 -
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Tinfoil hats! Tinfoil hats! The best around here, promise!
Definately 0.01 ISK cheaper than every other seller!
Tinfoil hats! Get some before they-¦re sold out! |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1442
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Posted - 2014.02.21 12:57:00 -
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Yes, you figured it out.
I didnt actually read the OP, but goddamnit you are right!
BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
1400
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Posted - 2014.02.21 14:08:00 -
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It's the Aliens!!
No it's the Illuminati!!
No it's a global conspiracy!!
Wait, my TV is off.
Personnel Division Director - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse
CEO Sanctuary Pact Alliance --áSanctuary Pact |
Macabre Combine
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2014.02.21 14:59:00 -
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I like to make fun of the truth by making it seem like its a conspiracy, I learned a thing or two about a thing or two from my masters. |
Mythrandier
Corporate Scum
Northern Associates.
332
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Posted - 2014.02.21 15:04:00 -
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Posting in a stealth Dinsdale thread.
EDIT: lol 
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
That sounds quite plausible, actually.
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." --á D. Adams. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2290
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Posted - 2014.02.21 16:16:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:AnotherUseless Alt wrote:
I mean,according to some reports, they spend 6 million a year on advertising, I've never seen it. Where do they advertise?
My bar pays 60k a year for a 1/8 page ad in each of the two local weeklies. That's 120k for just one thing hardly anyone sees. Advertising is not cheap. Six million a year worldwide is nothing for a game company. Barely a blip in your peripheral vision. Mr Epeen
You are indeed correct at 6 million/year being a blip.
So how much was the publicity of the latest null sec thunderdome worth, if CCP had to actually purchase all the eyeball space and articles written about this? So yeah, the more I think about it, a slick marketing guy would indeed be thinking "hey, if I can orchestrate a fight, we can really leverage our advertising budget".
We are hearing numbers like 15,000 new subs , above normal rates, due to the free advertising. Now, personally, I think the vast majority of those will evaporate fast, due to the griefing ingame. But that was a huge bump that would not have happened without this fight.
Plus, I read, (though have not seen one), that the failed lawyer is doing public interviews about the fight. IF that is true, wow. Talk about massive "free" advertising for Eve.
So yes, it does look CCP does get a huge amount of this fight. So to stage such a fight would indeed be a smart move from CCP's perspective. The question is then, what do goons/PL/Russians/N3 get out of it?
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning.
The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
789
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Posted - 2014.02.21 16:20:00 -
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stop posting.
right now.
bad.
stop it.
stop.
s.
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Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
316
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Posted - 2014.02.21 16:28:00 -
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Chances are this probably happened. Considering the whole thing happened due to a bugged wallet. What better way to reinforce the integrity of the game that came into question with HED-GP with an equally if not more so impressive battle a week later, on the anniversary of the epic brawl of Asakai |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2290
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Posted - 2014.02.21 16:53:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Chances are this probably happened. Considering the whole thing happened due to a bugged wallet. What better way to reinforce the integrity of the game that came into question with HED-GP with an equally if not more so impressive battle a week later, on the anniversary of the epic brawl of Asakai
You could be posting in jest, and just accept that this was human error all along that created this fight, but I will assume that you are serious.
Has anyone confirmed what ever happened specifically with that payment?
From what I have read, someone in N3 screwed up, and that was the catalyst for the whole mess.
Even though I paint a picture where this is a win-win for CCP/goons/Russians (maybe even PL), it is a huge loss for N3 any way it is looked at.
So, if this is some kind of contrived fight, and a "bug" instigated by CCP, would N3 not have been screaming blue murder everywhere? I have not seen that kind of outrage from them, so I have to believe that N3 actually did screw up, and CCP/goons/Russians got lucky.
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning.
The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
Disband.
874
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:20:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Now, personally, I think the vast majority of those will evaporate fast, due to the griefing ingame.
What griefing?
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
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