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Jacque Sparrow
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Posted - 2006.04.15 04:14:00 -
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 Originally by: Spyres
I'll do it. Just need to go through some calculations. 100m won't buy a HAC I can fly.
Hmmm. Could get a BS I suppose - have to be tier 1 though. Let's say a Domi. They're about 60 right? Let's go with insurance aswell, be a shame to waste all the money. That leaves me about 20 to fit it and buy drones and whatnot. Better stick with cheapish NOS, and regulation tanking gear, can't afford much else. Tech 1 drones aswell.
Ok, I'm ready.
And did you employer in real life have to buy you a car you could drive to work each day or were you expected to cover the cost of your own transportation to get to and from work each day ?
Personally, I have never been in an employment situation in real life where an employer could be coerced into buying me a car just in case I happened to wreck my car on my way to or from work each day.
Nobody pays people based on their expectations of loss. People are paid based on the work to be done.
100 mil isk in EVE should be more than enough to cover the AMMO a medium sized corporation might expend during a single battle. Unless those of you who have the manpower are so afraid of loss than you cannot take on this task unless you are assured of not losing your nice shiney ships in the process. Heck ship insurance pays for the replacement of your ship. I lost my Scorp and hopped right into my Dom then paid my ship insurance and had 10 mil isk left over. So I had 2 BS's - doesn't everyone ? I would have to be podded about 8 times before I'd have to stop to rebuild a new BS. Had I managed to lose 8 BS's I would be assured of having at least one new BS for FREE as long as I remembered to pay for the insurance before hopping into my next BS. Ships in EVE are virtually FREE and still peeps are crying about losing ships ?!? Can we get a grip here folks ?
3 peeps attacked me - it took that many to do the job.
100 mil isk pays premium BS insurance for something like 4 BS's. 100 mil isk also pays for 2 BS's insurance along with 2-3 T2 friggies and 2-3 Battlecruisers all with premium ship insurance. Once the job is done even if everyone loses their ships there would still be ample isk left over to help ease the loss and everyone gets a new ship virtually for FREE just because that's the way EVE is for all us players who pay to play. Heck, if I had a small corporation of 8 players suitably equip'd I would have no problem collecting this 100 mil isk. Of course I would use 2-3 Stealth Friggies to help nail down the targets before bringing the rest of the fleet to attack. Send in Stealth Friggies nice and cloaked. Scope out the battle and get warp-in points. Warp in the T2 attack friggies to begin the battle. Warp in the BattleCruisers to block and lock-down the targets. Warp in the BS's to blast from afar. Before you know it the targets are dead and no friendly ships lost.
Anyone care to tell me how wrong I am about all this ? Because I would be using the exact tactics that were used on me in reverse so I know these tactics work. |
Uggster
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Posted - 2006.04.15 04:39:00 -
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Clueless
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Spyres
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Posted - 2006.04.15 04:53:00 -
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Edited by: Spyres on 15/04/2006 04:53:49
Originally by: Jacque Sparrow
Originally by: Spyres
I'll do it. Just need to go through some calculations. 100m won't buy a HAC I can fly.
Hmmm. Could get a BS I suppose - have to be tier 1 though. Let's say a Domi. They're about 60 right? Let's go with insurance aswell, be a shame to waste all the money. That leaves me about 20 to fit it and buy drones and whatnot. Better stick with cheapish NOS, and regulation tanking gear, can't afford much else. Tech 1 drones aswell.
Ok, I'm ready.
And did you employer in real life have to buy you a car you could drive to work each day or were you expected to cover the cost of your own transportation to get to and from work each day ?
Personally, I have never been in an employment situation in real life where an employer could be coerced into buying me a car just in case I happened to wreck my car on my way to or from work each day.
Nobody pays people based on their expectations of loss. People are paid based on the work to be done.
Um, company car?
But hey man, apologies for my misunderstanding, it's just you said you would 'finance the war', and I'd have to buy a new ship, 'cos I only fly mining barges.
EDIT - gl with the war though buddy. I know heaps of corps that would jump at the chance to have their ammo paid for.
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Jacque Sparrow
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Posted - 2006.04.15 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Spyres
Edited by: Spyres on 15/04/2006 04:53:49
Originally by: Jacque Sparrow
Originally by: Spyres
I'll do it. Just need to go through some calculations. 100m won't buy a HAC I can fly.
Hmmm. Could get a BS I suppose - have to be tier 1 though. Let's say a Domi. They're about 60 right? Let's go with insurance aswell, be a shame to waste all the money. That leaves me about 20 to fit it and buy drones and whatnot. Better stick with cheapish NOS, and regulation tanking gear, can't afford much else. Tech 1 drones aswell.
Ok, I'm ready.
And did you employer in real life have to buy you a car you could drive to work each day or were you expected to cover the cost of your own transportation to get to and from work each day ?
Personally, I have never been in an employment situation in real life where an employer could be coerced into buying me a car just in case I happened to wreck my car on my way to or from work each day.
Nobody pays people based on their expectations of loss. People are paid based on the work to be done.
Um, company car?
But hey man, apologies for my misunderstanding, it's just you said you would 'finance the war', and I'd have to buy a new ship, 'cos I only fly mining barges.
EDIT - gl with the war though buddy. I know heaps of corps that would jump at the chance to have their ammo paid for.
Obviously none of the corps that would "jump" at the chance to have their AMMO paid for read the Forums.
100 mil isk pays for the AMMO, pays for the ship insurance and pays a nice bonus for completing the task.
Look at it this way folks, if those of us who got ganked were to become just a little organized we might be able to band together and all declare war on the offenders and then proceed to hunt down the offenders and bring law and order to the universe of EVE. Now wouldn't that be a fun game to play ? Apparently not, huh ? *yawn* |
B0rn2KiLL
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Posted - 2006.04.15 05:27:00 -
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heh
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Beastor
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Posted - 2006.04.15 05:30:00 -
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Love is in teh air !
Btw dude ... just let it go ... not a single player has said that 100mil isk is enough ... so if ur serious ... then why not raise the stakes ... we need more people to kill anyways  
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Beastoria
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Posted - 2006.04.15 05:31:00 -
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Bah ... I hate it when I forget to change the char name on teh forums ... anyways ... the above post is by me
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Jacque Sparrow
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Posted - 2006.04.15 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: Beastor
Love is in teh air !
Btw dude ... just let it go ... not a single player has said that 100mil isk is enough ... so if ur serious ... then why not raise the stakes ... we need more people to kill anyways
I am beginning to realize I would have to pay the alts of the offenders just to get this done. So what's the point of any of this anyway ?
I guess I'll just have to silently suck-up my own losses and keep my money anyway.
Afterall, I lost nothing. I already had a 2nd BS sitting in my hangar. I have 10 mil isk after paying my ship insurance on my Dom. No harm, no foul.
BS BPC's are pathetically cheap. Ship insurance pays for the expensive minerals. Alts supply the rest. Before you can say, "pod me", I got back into another BS.
Thanks for the lesson in futility.
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felnick
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Posted - 2006.04.15 07:30:00 -
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what Planetr are you living on man.
First thing the point you have to realize when you offer a contract is what are the xpected losses the corp who take will incur. If you sponsor a war against s******dly realisticly you would be looking at 1 billion isk upfront just for initial assets needed to be used in the contrac. The next thing you would more than likely need to do is cover the cost of ship losses and outfiting you have to realize these people who take contracts are not just going to do it out of the kindness of their heart and loose billions in isk from ship losses and modules just because you want 2 peoples corpses. So do us a favor and think before you make such blattantly ignorant assumptions.
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Megec
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Posted - 2006.04.15 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jacque Sparrow
Originally by: Spyres
I'll do it. Just need to go through some calculations. 100m won't buy a HAC I can fly.
Hmmm. Could get a BS I suppose - have to be tier 1 though. Let's say a Domi. They're about 60 right? Let's go with insurance aswell, be a shame to waste all the money. That leaves me about 20 to fit it and buy drones and whatnot. Better stick with cheapish NOS, and regulation tanking gear, can't afford much else. Tech 1 drones aswell.
Ok, I'm ready.
And did you employer in real life have to buy you a car you could drive to work each day or were you expected to cover the cost of your own transportation to get to and from work each day ?
Personally, I have never been in an employment situation in real life where an employer could be coerced into buying me a car just in case I happened to wreck my car on my way to or from work each day.
Nobody pays people based on their expectations of loss. People are paid based on the work to be done.
100 mil isk in EVE should be more than enough to cover the AMMO a medium sized corporation might expend during a single battle. Unless those of you who have the manpower are so afraid of loss than you cannot take on this task unless you are assured of not losing your nice shiney ships in the process. Heck ship insurance pays for the replacement of your ship. I lost my Scorp and hopped right into my Dom then paid my ship insurance and had 10 mil isk left over. So I had 2 BS's - doesn't everyone ? I would have to be podded about 8 times before I'd have to stop to rebuild a new BS. Had I managed to lose 8 BS's I would be assured of having at least one new BS for FREE as long as I remembered to pay for the insurance before hopping into my next BS. Ships in EVE are virtually FREE and still peeps are crying about losing ships ?!? Can we get a grip here folks ?
3 peeps attacked me - it took that many to do the job.
100 mil isk pays premium BS insurance for something like 4 BS's. 100 mil isk also pays for 2 BS's insurance along with 2-3 T2 friggies and 2-3 Battlecruisers all with premium ship insurance. Once the job is done even if everyone loses their ships there would still be ample isk left over to help ease the loss and everyone gets a new ship virtually for FREE just because that's the way EVE is for all us players who pay to play. Heck, if I had a small corporation of 8 players suitably equip'd I would have no problem collecting this 100 mil isk. Of course I would use 2-3 Stealth Friggies to help nail down the targets before bringing the rest of the fleet to attack. Send in Stealth Friggies nice and cloaked. Scope out the battle and get warp-in points. Warp in the T2 attack friggies to begin the battle. Warp in the BattleCruisers to block and lock-down the targets. Warp in the BS's to blast from afar. Before you know it the targets are dead and no friendly ships lost.
Anyone care to tell me how wrong I am about all this ? Because I would be using the exact tactics that were used on me in reverse so I know these tactics work.
There aint' furious pirates jumping on the city streets usually.
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Ignasi
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Posted - 2006.04.15 08:25:00 -
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Edited by: Ignasi on 15/04/2006 08:25:29
Originally by: Jacque Sparrow
Originally by: Spyres
I'll do it. Just need to go through some calculations. 100m won't buy a HAC I can fly.
Hmmm. Could get a BS I suppose - have to be tier 1 though. Let's say a Domi. They're about 60 right? Let's go with insurance aswell, be a shame to waste all the money. That leaves me about 20 to fit it and buy drones and whatnot. Better stick with cheapish NOS, and regulation tanking gear, can't afford much else. Tech 1 drones aswell.
Ok, I'm ready.
<yadda yadda>
Anyone care to tell me how wrong I am about all this ? Because I would be using the exact tactics that were used on me in reverse so I know these tactics work.
Your logic is completely skewed. You're paying the mercenaries for risking their ships and pods in order to kill people they would otherwise have no beef with. To equate hiring mercenaries to hiring employees in RL is downright ridiculous. Employees in a regular corporation are not usually risking their lives and what you call their "transportation" in order to fulfill their positions in the company they are employed at. In the odd instances where this may be true, the cost of any losses incurred while on the job as well as hazard pay for risking their lives would be payed to them. Here you claim to be doing nothing more than, "paying for their ammo."
As to your lengthy argument about the wonders of insurance: When you lose a ship you lose not only the cost of insurance but the modules fitted, nevermind the time investment required to purchase and locate new modules ship replacing the recently exploded one. That point is essentially moot and can be disregarded.
You then argue that a well setup fleet should not lose any ships. While a well equipped and large enough fleet may very well not lose any ships, the number of highly skilled pilots required for such a fleet would obviously also be large. In exchange for all these player's time and ships, they would expect a reward that is directly proportional to their skill level and the amount of time required. Even a gang of 10 ships, assuming perhaps 3 tacklers, 7 BSes, would make no more than 10mil isk a pilot for completing the task you are asking of them. 10mil isk can be made far easier in half an hour of 0.0 ratting, with the added benefit of a much lesser chance of being blown up and subsequently podded.
If you wish to be taken seriously by anyone, I would recommend you multiply the amount of ISK you wish to spend by perhaps a factor of at least 20. At that point it becomes feasible for a mercenary corporation to head in, pop a few ships and pods and perhaps even lose a few themselves while still making some decent coin.
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Kelron Queldine
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Posted - 2006.04.15 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jacque Sparrow
I am beginning to realize I would have to pay the alts of the offenders just to get this done. So what's the point of any of this anyway ?
I guess I'll just have to silently suck-up my own losses and keep my money anyway.
Afterall, I lost nothing. I already had a 2nd BS sitting in my hangar. I have 10 mil isk after paying my ship insurance on my Dom. No harm, no foul.
BS BPC's are pathetically cheap. Ship insurance pays for the expensive minerals. Alts supply the rest. Before you can say, "pod me", I got back into another BS.
Thanks for the lesson in futility.
You see, I think you're getting the idea now. If you're willing to pay the kind of money that nearly every single person in the thread has said you need to, then there's plenty of merc corps out there. But if you don't want to, it's far cheaper just for you to carry on, and take the chance for revenge if you get it.
And you laughed too much on the first page.
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.04.15 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jacque Sparrow
I will finance a War against SNIGG (S******dly Corp).
100 million isk will be paid to finance this war.
I want no fewer than 20 frozen corpses from SNIGG members however 5 of each MUST come from Tomar Lyonsbane and Amos Sommers each.
Those of you who have the means and wish to take this contract can eve-mail me in-game to make arrangements for the pay-off upon receipt of the aforementioned frozen corpses.
Look at this as an excuse to attack SNIGG as often as possible in order to collect the required number of frozen corpses.
This offer expires within 30 days.
add 00 to end
and will fight
wierchas 4tw |
KamikazeHamster
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Posted - 2006.04.15 09:28:00 -
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Declaring war on a corp of -10s is pointless. It just means they can shoot back
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Pride NL
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Posted - 2006.04.15 10:24:00 -
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S******dly has declared war on Atomic Battle Penguins
We are on it m8 
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Rikkard Strofeldt
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Posted - 2006.04.15 11:04:00 -
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I think Manco Devils can take this, with the following conditions:
- 1 billion up front.
- 100 million a week.
- 50 million per corpse.
I may negotiate, but don't bet on it.
Manco Devils needs you |
Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.04.15 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: KamikazeHamster
Declaring war on a corp of -10s is pointless. It just means they can shoot back
No, its worse than pointless.
It means they can shoot FIRST without sentries getting involved..
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Zell
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Posted - 2006.04.15 12:51:00 -
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No one remebers this guy??
Hes the one that used to put about 100mil 's in his posts, talked smack, and logged off the moment you entered local..
7660 corp or some such thing. I guess hes got a few sps now so hes back...
joy.. 
(glad to hear snigg gave him some due...)
"Ginger Magician is just a nublet. I've met more people ingame that have laughed about him, than anyone else in Eve."
"A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once.." |
Verone
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Posted - 2006.04.15 14:46:00 -
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VETO MEMBER MOVIES
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.15 14:52:00 -
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i fully endorse this product and/or service.
As part of the HippoKingÖ stupidity outreach service, the I-WIN corporation would like to add 5mil to the final bounty in the hope that the OP realises what a stupid request he is making, and how pathetically he is underpaying
Win a Cerberus!!
sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris
yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing
Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler
Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy
Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault
Stop spamming with "QFT" >:|. - Teblin
Who pwned who?  ~kieron |
Jacque Sparrow
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Posted - 2006.04.15 15:01:00 -
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Tell you what folks, let's fire all the police and give the criminals the really bad parts of town and then let's setup up gun turrets to keep them out of the nice parts of town and as a society we will save billions of $$ per year.
Law Enforcement is highly overrated, according to what most people have posted in this thread.
"Declaring war on -10 corps is pointless, because they can shoot back..."
It seems to me -10 players have declared war on the rest of us without so much as having to pay the war fees. By compensation, EVE as a game should allow war to be declared on -10 corps without the -10 corps players being able to take advantage of the fact that a war even exists - meaning criminal corps should not be able to attack in high sec space (0.5 >) once a declared war has commenced. This would even out the fact that the lawless are in-fact lawless. |
HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.15 15:05:00 -
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they are minus ten ffs. what can you do with a war that you can't do without?
Win a Cerberus!!
sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris
yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing
Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler
Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy
Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault
Stop spamming with "QFT" >:|. - Teblin
Who pwned who? ~kieron |
Rasitiln
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Posted - 2006.04.15 15:24:00 -
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dont I get a mention I was there in my shuttle ramming you should you could not warp off. I was hopeing that on the kill mail it would say
ship: gallente shuttle
weapon: ramming speed
but sadly ccp doesnt put ramming shuttles on killmails 
That 1% was enough - Wrangler |
Vladic Ka
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Posted - 2006.04.15 16:07:00 -
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Meh! I didnt get a mention either.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. |
Jacque Sparrow
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Posted - 2006.04.15 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Rasitiln
dont I get a mention I was there in my shuttle ramming you should you could not warp off. I was hopeing that on the kill mail it would say
ship: gallente shuttle
weapon: ramming speed
but sadly ccp doesnt put ramming shuttles on killmails
Then you found a way to exploit game mechanics and you should be banned for cheating ! IMHO |
Rasitiln
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Posted - 2006.04.15 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Jacque Sparrow
Originally by: Rasitiln
dont I get a mention I was there in my shuttle ramming you should you could not warp off. I was hopeing that on the kill mail it would say
ship: gallente shuttle
weapon: ramming speed
but sadly ccp doesnt put ramming shuttles on killmails
Then you found a way to exploit game mechanics and you should be banned for cheating ! IMHO
ya thats all snigg is hardcore sploiters. Thats why our claws lightly hit ships for 3000 damage
That 1% was enough - Wrangler |
Amos Sommers
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Posted - 2006.04.15 17:04:00 -
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Hmm Id like to describe situation in which we found Mr. Sparrow in his safespot. We didnt have a coverts ops with us so we decided for our Tempest pilot to refit. Because of Mr. Sparrow's relativley good safe spot it tooks us well over 10 minutes to setup scan points then another 5 to complete the scan. After warping to him we found to be over 220km away.
Our Battleship pilot decided to warp off and warp back closer to Mr. Sparrow's Scoprion while the tackler closed range on MWD. I proceeded to do the same (tanked, mwd Brutix). At 66km away, Mr. Sparrow opened fire on me, so I turned off my MWD and got some tranversal velocity. Why? Mr. Sparrow was using Railguns on his Scoprion in addition to Missiles.
I tanked his fire for about 30 seconds before our battelship got back. At this point I leave, but Mr. Sparrow switched his drones onto our tackler which had to run aswell - we didnt want any losses. With no Scrambling, Mr. Sparrow decided to run aswell with bearly any Armor left.
We saw him warp in direction of Planet X, so we followed but he wasnt there. At this point Rasitlin in his shuttle (he lost his ship earlier) warped to Mr. Sparrows safe spot to find to his amazment that Mr. Sparrow here has returned indeed to guard his 1bil isk worth of morphite in half burning Scoprion.
We imidietly warped back which ended with Mr. Sparrow's quick loss of ship and pod.
I must question Mr. Sparrow's judgment of comming back as secure cans cannot be opened unless someone has enough luck to guess the password ...
LOL U IS PWNED |
Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.04.15 17:57:00 -
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Maybe 100mil per encounter with SNIGG forces...
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined.
RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran |
Tityana
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Posted - 2006.04.15 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Edited by: Deja Thoris on 15/04/2006 02:22:59
Shamis admitted to me in private convo hes scared and thinking about leaving.
Deja Thoris> You know some random dude is offering 100mill for a war against your corp?
Shamis> Holy ****! I'm screwed. I may have to hide in a noob corp till this blows over
He's since left to join Snigwaffe. This is undeniable evidence of his cowardice. I suggest you submit an exploit petition using the convo snippet as evidence.
Good luck!
Hey? who? where? what? omg? wft?
WHY DID NOONE TELL ME THESE THINGS? Thats it, no shamis = Sniggbear corp
   
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Blubeanz
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Posted - 2006.04.15 18:49:00 -
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lol, i lost 100mill this morning and am up 300 mill this afternoon.. Surely he meant 100 Bill?
ROFL what a joke...
-Blu
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