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arutha	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:15:00 - [1] nice of ccp too do there patching smack in the middle of european day time again huh ? yet another 4 hours gameing lost . whines and moans =p
Psy Corp	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:18:00 - [2] well do you think they want to work in the night just to make things fair for everyone in every time zone I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
Devestator	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:20:00 - [3] Move to the US. Patching takes place in the mourning while people are at work or still sleeping. It's great to be an American!!!!
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:21:00 - [4] Hey we have to put up with your HORRIBLY OUTDATED internet connections that caused CCP to CAP the bandwith, so the least you can do is to put up with patching during your day. MUHAHAHAHHA ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
BrazHos	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:23:00 - [5] I think it would be great if they would just tell us its going to take 6 hours.. but only take 4, so we could get it "early". ********************************************** Coming Soon to a Sector near You** May be hazardous to your ship so Be Warned!
Othnark	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:24:00 - [6] I dont know where youve been, but they always have done it this way. Frankly i think its a good setup, and Im GMT +3..... -Othnark
arutha	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:26:00 - [7] im smack on gmt 8) and have nothing constuctive too do except moan about a video game getting patched
Niklas Luhmann	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:27:00 - [8] Horribly outdated internet??? Last I checked, Europe was wayyyy ahead of the states, man... I live in little old Denmark, where practically everybody gaming has at least 256/256 - most are actually on broadband... just got back from the US where I spent an agonizing 2 weeks on 56k shudder
David White	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:28:00 - [9] I agree with you arutha, they should do it 9am GMT, least it would be up for the afternoon. Daes you're talking bollox.
Moph	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:30:00 - [10] Just make sure that after you guys have installed the patch you will clean the CACHE folder inside the game (including the prefs.ini file). This will in 100% save you from future problems and incompatibilities.
Ace Merrill	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:33:00 - [11] Edited by: Ace Merrill on 17/09/2003 13:34:19 Midday GMT seems pretty fair to me. Majority of players will work during the day (like me right now), so only weekends really an issue. Any earlier and you'll be affecting late night players across the pond or australia or somewhere. Any later and people coming home from work in Europe would be unable to play. Sorry if I don't get upset about the timing for UK / European players who stay home all day! edit: With, of course apologies to the tiny minority who work nights and aren't lazy gits. -- Britannia Futures The future's bright, the future's Britannia.
Temerlyn	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:34:00 - [12] heh be thanksfull your not an aussie, DT started at 8pm and wont finish till midnight or longer. Thats our prime time gone
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:40:00 - [13] Quote: Horribly outdated internet??? Last I checked, Europe was wayyyy ahead of the states, man... I live in little old Denmark, where practically everybody gaming has at least 256/256 - most are actually on broadband... just got back from the US where I spent an agonizing 2 weeks on 56k shudder Kid, just because scandinavian countries are on top of **e that does not mean all of Europe is. Also, broadband (adsl,dsl) is just the broadband of poor people, try cable, then laugh. And EVERY gamer in the us that plays online and does not live in the STIX has cable internet. ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't**" -----------------------------------------------
Deadmetal	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:45:00 - [14] with a worldwide player base .. no matter when they patch.. or how long the patch takes... there will always be some people discomfeted. Relax. have a coffee... watch a trashy talk show.. take a nap.. CCP want's the cluster up asap believe me they do. They chose the update time to try to be as fair as possible... ease up people.. have a group hug "Human Nature - If someone put a big red button in a remote mountain cave with a sign on it 'End of the world button!! Do not push!!.. the paint wouldn't have a chance to dry."
da Max	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:52:00 - [15] Quote: Move to the US. Patching takes place in the mourning while people are at work or still sleeping. It's great to be an American!!!! LOOOOOL Its great to be something else!
Jarjar	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:52:00 - [16] Quote: Just make sure that after you guys have installed the patch you will clean the CACHE folder inside the game (including the prefs.ini file). This will in 100% save you from future problems and incompatibilities. Cache ~1.1GB Portraits ~1GB prefs.ini 228kB As long as my client seems to be the most stable/fast one of all the players I've been talking to so far, I won't clean it either.
fujin	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:53:00 - [17] Edited by: fujin on 17/09/2003 14:03:00 god i love euro people top t1 t2 or t3 my 400+up/400+down vs your 256/256 yer not ontop till you beat the best and uh we be hitin a gig of data up an down within the next3 years ohya woooty.
Harisdrop	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:53:00 - [18] What is this cap on bandwidth you speak of? -------------------------- Garsh ma it soo cool killing people in there space thingies
Mutara Nebula	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:56:00 - [19] Quote: Also, broadband (adsl,dsl) is just the broadband of poor people, try cable, then laugh. I have a ISDN... if the ADSL/DSL guys are poor, well, do I have at least the right to live? *********************************************************************************** LOL @ The game leaves ample room for continual progress and variety in all its solo* playing aspects.* ***********************************************************************************
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:57:00 - [20] Edited by: Jash Illian on 17/09/2003 13:57:40 Do you people forget that CCP is an European country. And gasp they do their work during their normal work hours?!? I damn sure wouldn't stay up half the night in an attempt to please 1/2 of the world, knowing I'm going to **** off at least 1/2 no matter when I do it. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Bayroo	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:01:00 - [21] Hey It's 3pm here in the UK and the network is still down? Is it the network or me that is causing this?
Master Scy	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:01:00 - [22] Ok, what's wrong with ADSL exactly? ----------------------------- You think Marco Polo said "Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ? -Indigo Seqi
Cruise	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:02:00 - [23] Now they've pushed the time to 15:00 GMT. It doesn't make me feel at ALL secure in the new patch update if the maint/upgrade takes 5 freakin' hours to do. ------------------------------------------- Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad capul tuum saxum immane mittam.
AnyDayNow	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:03:00 - [24] Quote: Move to the US. Patching takes place in the mourning while people are at work or still sleeping. It's great to be an American!!!! i dont even know where to start the flaming.... All i can say is thank you lord for not making me an American....
annoing	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:06:00 - [25] Edited by: annoing on 17/09/2003 14:07:46 Quote: Sorry if I don't get upset about the timing for UK / European players who stay home all day! I'm disabled, in UK, on most of the day...am I one of the lazy gits? Or just a drain on the economy? 4 hours of reading your drivel is enough for me thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Inquisition Long live the Inquisition Long live the Emperor Long live Amarr! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
DAViiD	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:07:00 - [26] Edited by: DAViiD on 17/09/2003 14:08:18 heya! Well... it's bugs me a lot that it's allways same ppl ****ed up waiting during SDTs or EXTENDED OF EXTENDED OF EXTENDED SDTs! And yet again, no one of CCP will make a statement what is going on. Typical. Regards, D. Lokan > This is more boring as listening to golf on radio!
Revel	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:07:00 - [27] I love the way the U.S. crowd categorise every country in Europe as the 'euro crowd' and assume that we all have the same internet access and structure. Most common now in the UK are either DSL or Cable, cable standard is 1Mb. Its vastly different for other countries though, my brother has a 2Mb leased line in Switzerland for less than half the cost.
redOctober	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:08:00 - [28] hi
Seer	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:11:00 - [29] There is a link on slashdot.org today that will end all argument over who has the crappiest net. And its the US by a LONG WAY!!! Only ex russian countries have poorer take-up and speeds than the US. Argument over -*****y yanks get it handed to them again :P At least it wasnt by one of your own for once - friendly fire dont exist on the net :P ---------------------------------------------------
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:12:00 - [30] Oh just accept the fact that there is no good time for them to do anything server related so they will choose the time that's best for them according to their work schedule. Yall'd hate me if I was in charge. The servers I admin, I down whenever I feel like it. 8am, 3pm, 11pm? Time doesn't matter, my workload does I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Nikita	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:13:00 - [31] Edited by: Nikita on 17/09/2003 14:22:53 Edited by: Nikita on 17/09/2003 14:15:16 Well it just shows the ignorence of US people. In their minds its: US and then the rest of the world. Ask a US guy/girl, and 9 out of 10 wouldnt know where the hell Austria is. Yes, I edited it. Made a typo :-P. Heck it can happen to best i just proved :-P
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:14:00 - [32] Edited by: Daesdemona on 17/09/2003 14:18:17 Quote: Well it just shows the ignorence of US people. In their minds its: US and then the rest of the world. Ask a US guy/girl, and 9 out of 10 wouldnt know where the hell Austia is. I don't know where Austia is either? is it a new place between Austria and Lichtenstein? spank! EDIT: Argh ! You **-edited after being called on it! ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't**" -----------------------------------------------
Master Scy	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:14:00 - [33] Quote: Well it just shows the ignorence of US people. In their minds its: US and then the rest of the world. Ask a US guy/girl, and 9 out of 10 wouldnt know where the hell Austia is. Where is Austia ----------------------------- You think Marco Polo said "Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ? -Indigo Seqi
Ka'loor	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:15:00 - [34] Yep and they prolly wont know where Austria is too........plus add some other state of africa...... Attack without mercy, until blood is gone, until life is gone, until the light is gone, unto the shadow itself. Better to die with honor, than to live in shame.
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:16:00 - [35] Quote: Quote: Also, broadband (adsl,dsl) is just the broadband of poor people, try cable, then laugh. I have a ISDN... if the ADSL/DSL guys are poor, well, do I have at least the right to live? ISND is not broadband, its 2 phone lines on steroids ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
K3STR3L	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:16:00 - [36] #2
Stillman	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:16:00 - [37] Quote: Well it just shows the ignorence of US people. In their minds its: US and then the rest of the world. Ask a US guy/girl, and 9 out of 10 wouldnt know where the hell Austia is. Actually I think many'd be pressed to find Europe... 7 times I've been to the States, and 5 of those times I've been asked to 'talk British' to someone. No, I am not joking.
K3STR3L	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:18:00 - [38] #4
Revel	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:18:00 - [39] Quote: Quote: Well it just shows the ignorence of US people. In their minds its: US and then the rest of the world. Ask a US guy/girl, and 9 out of 10 wouldnt know where the hell Austia is. I don't know where Austia is either? is it a new place between Austria and Lichtenstein? *spank! Actually, I believe Austia is a town in Austria?
James Kagawa	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:19:00 - [40] Edited by: James Kagawa on 17/09/2003 14:29:55 Yes, all Americans are ignorant, all Americans lump you Euros into the same categories. Apparently, Europeans are all generalizing gits who lump people together based on nationality too. Not to mention, feel like being rude jackasses to people simply because of thier nationality. RING RING "Hello Pot? Yeah, this is Kettle. You're black!" Man, thank god I'm not from Earth. Cause humans /all/ suck. Edit: Btw, maybe we're not familiar with /all/ European countries because they're in some cases the size of our smaller states, or in some best cases are county sized. When you can cross through 2 countries in 2 hours via train, it gets a little confusing to us. Considering it takes days to get across some of our states via automobile or via train. "Give a man a fire, and you'll keep him warm for a night." "Set a man on fire, and you'll keep him warm for the rest of his life."
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:21:00 - [41] Quote: There is a link on slashdot.org today that will end all argument over who has the crappiest net. And its the US by a LONG WAY!!! Only ex russian countries have poorer take-up and speeds than the US. Argument over -***y yanks get it handed to them again :P At least it wasnt by one of your own for once - friendly fire dont exist on the net :P Note, my comment was NOT on who has a faster speed, but what gaming community has the better average speed, which would be the US, otherwise why would you have european companies still catering mostly to 36k users. UK is A-OK, them and most scandinavian countries, its the other slow folks (italy, where I lived 18 of my happiest years... and others) Nothing personal, jeez, you guys are high-sprung, go to amsterdam and do some legal relaxants, that is still one thing you have over the US... oh that and tons of Italian art and architecture that France has stolen through the ages.... ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't**" -----------------------------------------------
Cruise	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:23:00 - [42] Good lord. How the hell did this go from discussion about the upcoming/pending patch to flaming continents? Let's at least get the thread back on subject! ------------------------------------------- Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad capul tuum saxum immane mittam.
Seroxat	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:23:00 - [43] I really tend not to ***, But to be honest this is starting to take the , I pay for a service (Subscription), and to be honest i`m not getting it. Yes i can understand that things can take longer then usual, but not 5 hours. I would understand much better if i was told "Hey listen we have implameented the new patch, and everything has gone up with the modules section of things, so it's going take a while to sort it out", Furry Muff !! But instead they just post EXTENDED>EXTENDED> Etc.. Please CCP, I know your busy, but the more information given the less ***ing people can do.
Khas Akilae	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:24:00 - [44] The only thing Europe dosn't have over the US is 23% of the worlds natural resources. The rest is still here in the 'old world'
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:26:00 - [45] Quote: Edited by: Nikita on 17/09/2003 14:15:16 Well it just shows the ignorence of US people. In their minds its: US and then the rest of the world. Ask a US guy/girl, and 9 out of 10 wouldnt know where the hell Austria is. What's your rub? I'm a US Citizen and I'm hard pressed to find Ohio. It's not about being ego-centric or anything. It's just been 20 years since I had a geography class. But prior to leaving high school in order to pass Social Studies (went to private school and all courses were required to pass), I had to fill in a blank map of just the outline of the continents with the countries, their capitals, major rivers, major mountain ranges, major seas and major lakes. Bonus points awarded for adding information such as major imports/exports, currency, and current political leaders. I'm a Texan. There's Texas, Louisiana (for gambling), Mexico (for partying) and then all the rest of that dat land that'd be mighty fine for cattle. 20 years of booze, babes and blackjack will make ya forget a few things I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Stillman	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:26:00 - [46] Quote: Yes, all Americans are ignorant, all Americans lump you Euros into the same categories. Apparently, Europeans are all generalizing gits who lump people together based on nationality too. Not to mention, feel like being rude jackasses to people simply because of thier nationality. RING RING "Hello Pot? Yeah, this is Kettle. You're black!" Man, thank god I'm not from Earth. Cause humans /all/ suck. Actually, to a certain degree, you're right. You could've said it a little nicer though :) Everyone has stereotypes and they ***** about each other in generalities. Its an age-old argument. And I'll admit its pretty tiresome. The reason why many of the Europeans go on about the U.S. that way is that you are part of one nation, whereas we in Europe are not, and thats why we hate being generalised as 'euros' or similar. Anyway, I'm going to leave the argument there, its nothing to do with the thread and its just causing more angst. I hope you'll join me.
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:27:00 - [47] Ok, I wish that Europe got off their pedistall, which is old and decrepit, and that the US stopped being so damn arrogant in its bigotry. We could achieve so much more working TOGETHER. (the above statement is intended overall, I know here you are all open-minded illuminati) ps. I am aware of how hypocritical this sound being that I was ***ing about the european connections in the first place. ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't**" -----------------------------------------------
Khas Akilae	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:30:00 - [48] You've got a point there Des.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:31:00 - [49] Quote: Actually, to a certain degree, you're right. You could've said it a little nicer though :) Everyone has stereotypes and they ***** about each other in generalities. Its an age-old argument. And I'll admit its pretty tiresome. The reason why many of the Europeans go on about the U.S. that way is that you are part of one nation, whereas we in Europe are not, and thats why we hate being generalised as 'euros' or similar. Anyway, I'm going to leave the argument there, its nothing to do with the thread and its just causing more angst. I hope you'll join me. Final parting shot based on this post. I generalize all the time. My life is ruled by the generalizations I make. There are people I Like There are people I Don't Like The actions you take decide what generalization you end up in. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Mutara Nebula	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:32:00 - [50] Quote: Quote: Quote: Also, broadband (adsl,dsl) is just the broadband of poor people, try cable, then laugh. I have a ISDN... if the ADSL/DSL guys are poor, well, do I have at least the right to live? ISND is not broadband, its 2 phone lines on steroids I know heh... supposed that made me an even lesser lifeform *********************************************************************************** LOL @ The game leaves ample room for continual progress and variety in all its solo* playing aspects.* ***********************************************************************************
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:34:00 - [51] Chess is an interesting game if you are on ISDN lines... another playable one is Stacraft Brood Wars. ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
Seer	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:35:00 - [52] ************** FASCINATING FACT ************ The size of your *** is inversely related to the size of your country! Nice to see we all found something to entertain ourselves during dt - the ol' euro/yank debate ahhhhh so easy to win :P ---------------------------------------------------
Tehel Necrona	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:35:00 - [53] Comparing connection speeds is like meassuring who's got the biggest *****. Size does not matter, its what you do with it that counts! -Necro
Ace Merrill	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:38:00 - [54] Quote: Edited by: annoing on 17/09/2003 14:07:46 Quote: Sorry if I don't get upset about the timing for UK / European players who stay home all day! I'm disabled, in UK, on most of the day...am I one of the lazy gits? Or just a drain on the economy? 4 hours of reading your drivel is enough for me thanks No intention to offend there Annoing, many apologies. I just find it hard to understand some people who moan they can't play during extra downtime, when there are many people out there who'd be more than happy to play in the day time at all. Thank you for pointing out the risk of generalising, as I said, apologies. As for 4 hours of drivel, well, i've posted 2 items (now 3 with this) on the forums in the entire day - week even, so Im hoping that you're not taking 4 hours to read it. -- Britannia Futures The future's bright, the future's Britannia.
Elmar Solderi	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:39:00 - [55] bah lets all moveing to sweeden i woud like to get there true broadband 10mb yummm..... If it aint nailed down its mine. --------- kil list: 3 thorax's 1 moa 2 pod's 1 repunter ------- 1 death
Ange Noire	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:40:00 - [56] Quote: Size does not matter, its what you do with it that counts! hmmm sorry, size does matter ... well it's not all, but it does :)
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:40:00 - [57] Quote: Comparing connection speeds is like meassuring who's got the biggest ***. Size does not matter, its what you do with it that counts! -Necro Actually, sorry to break it to you but size DOES matter, of course, if the size is there without technique, its like owning a ferrari and not knowing how to drive stickshift. ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't**" -----------------------------------------------
Mutara Nebula	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:40:00 - [58] Quote: Chess is an interesting game if you are on ISDN lines Nah, I can play EVE decently too, even using my crappy ISnotgudDN, sry for u mate. *********************************************************************************** LOL @ The game leaves ample room for continual progress and variety in all its solo* playing aspects.* ***********************************************************************************
DJvGalen	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:42:00 - [59] Edited by: DJvGalen on 17/09/2003 14:44:10 Quote: ISDN is not broadband, its 2 phone lines on steroids According to your logic ASDL is not broadband either Oh and uh... I dropped Cable in favor of the fastly superior ADSL my employer provides me with ------------------------------------------------ CCP please fix your patch so I can play with my corpmates again soon.
Khas Akilae	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:43:00 - [60] Of course size matters, its just not bigger=better
Jorev	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:45:00 - [61] I think CCP should reschedule the patch and let us play the game. Obviously they have run into some difficulties they did not expect, and these problems could and should be fixed while the game is up and running, instead of continuing to increase the downtime. I think CCP fears an outcry from players though, if no patch is produced to justify the current downtime, so they will probably be stubborn and keep the game offline til they can fix the patch, which looks like several more hours to go. I do think it would be best to cut their losses now and reschedule though.
The Architect	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:47:00 - [62] Never ceases to amaze me how some of the inbred single cell brainers manage to turn a simple forum thread concerning the patch into a flame war involving Euros and Americans. When you simple minded fcks wake up and realize that we all share this ball of mud, that we all bleed red regardless of race, creed or religion we all MIGHT come just a whit closer to making this a better place to live. For those of you who flame THIS post -- you've done nothing but prove me right (ie. you ARE inbred and you have but ONE cell floating around in yer damn brainpan) and shown others that YOU are the ones that perpetuate this infantile horse*** flame game. Regardless of when the game gets patched (European time or American time) it's just more par for the course. Deal with it and move on. Yes it kinda makes all of us wonder why it's taking so long but I'm not astounded OR surprised that CCP hasn't posted any type of information on the state of the EVE-Universe and this "uber-nerf" patch as it has been called by some.
Miso	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:49:00 - [63] Architect - i tried making this point in another post, but **** floats to the top... people will never get over their tribalism, its genetic... World will be dead in less than a 100 years anyway, so lets live for the moment HEHEHEHE -------------------------------------------- Dead
DJvGalen	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:50:00 - [64] Quote: I think CCP should reschedule the patch and let us play the game. I anticipated that this would happen, I hope it's back online before 23.00 local, that is when my skill finishes... Champions league anyone ? ------------------------------------------------ CCP please fix your patch so I can play with my corpmates again soon.
Erty	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:50:00 - [65] Quote: Quote: Horribly outdated internet??? Last I checked, Europe was wayyyy ahead of the states, man... I live in little old Denmark, where practically everybody gaming has at least 256/256 - most are actually on broadband... just got back from the US where I spent an agonizing 2 weeks on 56k shudder Kid, just because scandinavian countries are on top of ****e that does not mean all of Europe is. Also, broadband (adsl,dsl) is just the broadband of poor people, try cable, then laugh. And EVERY gamer in the us that plays online and does not live in the STIX has cable internet. So what's wrong with xDSL? Here in Sweden we have VDSL, 26 mb up and down. Better than cable, I think And only $40 a month :) Not too bad eh? Let the patching take it's time. It's better to wait and get something that works than to get something useless. This is my signature.
Khas Akilae	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:50:00 - [66] What makes you predict that Miso? Somthing we're not 'in' on
Veruna Caseti	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:50:00 - [67] Quote: I think CCP should reschedule the patch and let us play the game. This is hilarious. "CCP should reschedule the patch so I can play." Here's a better idea: reschedule your playing time so CCP can patch! Veruna Caseti Ishukone
DJvGalen	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:53:00 - [68] Quote: World will be dead in less than a 100 years anyway, so lets live for the moment Optimist, with the news I read today I don't even give this human race 50 years before they mini-nuke irradiate the entire planet... ------------------------------------------------ CCP please fix your patch so I can play with my corpmates again soon.
Jorev	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:57:00 - [69] Veruna, save your joy of flaming anyone and everyone for the inbreds. My opinion isn't about me, I can do other things and am not dependent on this game for a meaning of life. I just think it would serve the EVE community best if they rescheduled at this point.
Commander Jones	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:58:00 - [70] he he silly yanks... other than maybe people in spain and portugal pretty much every european I ever came across im my long mmorpg experience had a faster than isdn line. In Holland alone (where i'm at) more than 60 percent of the population not only has a computer but is connected through dsl or cable, while whole hordes of yanks sit around crippling the internet with their puny 56k lines (which i believe is due to that fact that in most places in the US local calls are free)... so don't sit around telling us that Europe is backwards in any way, because by doing that you only betray your own general ignorance of what life in Europe is like...thanks for a good laugh :) **** now reguarding the DT, well they got to do it some time don't they? there will always be someone that's got a problem with it regardless of what time they choose so it might as well stay the way it is. "You end up paying good money for the sort of treatment you ancestors spent their short, brutal lives trying to avoid. That's progress"
Jack Hayden	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:58:00 - [71] Quote: Hey we have to put up with your HORRIBLY OUTDATED internet connections that caused CCP to CAP the bandwith, so the least you can do is to put up with patching during your day. MUHAHAHAHHA Funny, I got a nice fat ADSL pipe, and those swedes, man they'r in internetheaven. Outdated? Not sure, 10 Mbit lines???? Guess you'r some dumb american thinking Europe is old and outdated... á "Spelling and grammatical errors are placed solely to test your abilities as a proofreader. All prices include 25% VAT."
Jack Hayden	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:59:00 - [72] Quote: Quote: Horribly outdated internet??? Last I checked, Europe was wayyyy ahead of the states, man... I live in little old Denmark, where practically everybody gaming has at least 256/256 - most are actually on broadband... just got back from the US where I spent an agonizing 2 weeks on 56k shudder Kid, just because scandinavian countries are on top of ***e that does not mean all of Europe is. Also, broadband (adsl,dsl) is just the broadband of poor people, try cable, then laugh. And EVERY gamer in the us that plays online and does not live in the STIX has cable internet. Cable, nah, I'll just go for VDSL... á "Spelling and grammatical errors are placed solely to test your abilities as a proofreader. All prices include 25% VAT."*
The Architect	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:01:00 - [73] Jorev, I understand your wanting to get a session started -- I think we all do. EVE-Online is very addictive! But rescheduling a patch to accomodate the "I need my fix!" crowd is non-productive and not very pragmatic. There are a great many things in previous patches that performed like Tech 5 items (the Photonic Coprocessor is a perfect example). CCP needed to get this game off the ground and running as quickly as possible, and I think that they spiced up the start of this game (in terms of modules, etc.) in an effort to interest the gaming community. Although there are some things about the patch that are going to be a bit tough to work around, I honestly feel that CCP is giving it their best shot on an "across the board" game balance. Jorev, it's something that needs to be done bro. Just surf the web for a bit, chill, grab a beer and enjoy some downtime from the rat race we all lovingly call EVE-Online.
Master Scy	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:04:00 - [74] Edited by: Master Scy on 17/09/2003 15:09:02 Population density is rising, and so are political tensions (water wars in a few decades). Meanwhile it's becoming easier and easier to destroy ourselves. Thefore, humanity's chance of survival keeps falling... I can't say when we'll finish ourselves off, but every year it's more likely than the last. ----------------------------- You think Marco Polo said "Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ? -Indigo Seqi
nono	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:04:00 - [75] Quote: Quote: Quote: Horribly outdated internet??? Last I checked, Europe was wayyyy ahead of the states, man... I live in little old Denmark, where practically everybody gaming has at least 256/256 - most are actually on broadband... just got back from the US where I spent an agonizing 2 weeks on 56k shudder Kid, just because scandinavian countries are on top of ****e that does not mean all of Europe is. Also, broadband (adsl,dsl) is just the broadband of poor people, try cable, then laugh. And EVERY gamer in the us that plays online and does not live in the STIX has cable internet. Cable, nah, I'll just go for VDSL... Not I. Anything that starts with "VD" is just not for me thanks. I'll have to wait for something else I guess.
Majin Buu	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:06:00 - [76] already found one bug and i havent even logged on yet :/ i'm sure that everyone else will notice the quit game "do not ask me again" option does not work BoB KillBoard
Asmodia	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:08:00 - [77] Quote: Chess is an interesting game if you are on ISDN lines... another playable one is Stacraft Brood Wars. Yeah, Zerg rules. and Toss too ... only Terrans r *** ------------------------------------------------ CEO of Spectre Syndicate - Curse Alliance ------------------------------------------------
Flack Nine	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:08:00 - [78] Sweet mercy Can we stop the anti-american crap its getting boring every nation has its faults. as for the end of the world wasnt there a big roid heading our way in about 15 years?
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:09:00 - [79] Quote: Edited by: DJvGalen on 17/09/2003 14:44:10 Quote: ISDN is not broadband, its 2 phone lines on steroids According to your logic ASDL is not broadband either Oh and uh... I dropped Cable in favor of the fastly superior ADSL my employer provides me with wrong. I never stated that about DSL or ADSL, you are misinterpreting my statements and using incorrect logic to deduce, please read the post about errors in reasoning. ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
Khonsu	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:10:00 - [80] I hereby declare my self Emperor of the universe. That is all. You may go.
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:11:00 - [81] Quote: Regardless of when the game gets patched (European time or American time) it's just more par for the course. Deal with it and move on. Yes it kinda makes all of us wonder why it's taking so long but I'm not astounded OR surprised that CCP hasn't posted any type of information on the state of the EVE-Universe and this "uber-nerf" patch as it has been called by some. Its the "joves", they were experimenting with a new kind of travel device that froze the galaxy for a few hours... ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
Vilar Solamnus	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:11:00 - [82] what we need is a good old fashioned world war. Thin out the population a little bit...and besides, nothing brings people together better than the rebuilding after a good war.
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:12:00 - [83] hey hey, this is a sweet thread. Can I just say that: - There is no ***** bandwidth cap. Eve just uses hardly any bandwidth (try it - CTRL-ALT+F9 (I think) will display your network stats.) it is about 1/60th of what Unreal Tournament (1999) used to use. - Display lag in Eve is not caused by modems. It's caused by hardware bottlenecks. - 'Real' Lag (rubberbanding) in Eve is caused by a spate of port 135 worms, which will decimate any network they touch (our hospital just got taken offline for 4 days (not my fault)) because of nachi, and some ** ignoring our security policies. - America have a lot of things (I won't mention any here, because the first things that come to mind are fast food and Microsoft) - Europe have a lot of things (like castles, Mad cow disease, German cars, Drunkenmaster, expensive petrol, more than 200 years of history, an Eve Cluster...) So er... where was I? well, anyway. shut up with yer moaning, the lot of ya. I'd also advise people to take these 4 hours to at least cordially browse through the patch notes. The spate of 'What?!??12' threads that get posted on or near patchday is nothing short of hilarious. .
Flack Nine	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:15:00 - [84] umm america has mad-cow too, their just not telling the public
Commander Bishop	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:16:00 - [85] Quote: I hereby declare my self Emperor of the universe. That is all. You may go. lol i refuse to let that be the last post on the thread
Miso	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:16:00 - [86] Edited by: Miso on 17/09/2003 15:16:33 Never, ever, ever underestimate the stupidity of the general public. Sometimes, I feel like all the worlds idiots have descended on these boards! Nevermind, the insects will inherit the earth. Viva the beetle!! Hic! Swigs more whiskey -------------------------------------------- Dead
Sandmaenchen	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:16:00 - [87] I'm waiting for "Downtime extended to GMT 16:00"....what's up, CCP
Flack Nine	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:17:00 - [88] have to get back to u where i read this cos its been i while(basicly since i started playing EVE)since i checked out my usuall reading sites
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:19:00 - [89] Another interesting anecdote for all the flamers that never got past page one of this post... You are fun. hehe thank you. About the end of the world: Our technology will either be our salvation, or our doom, it has a potential for both, human nature is the problem, maybe when women take over the world we will last longer, maybe the suicide rates due to nagging will climb... who knowns... ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
Asmodia	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:20:00 - [90] Quote: umm america has mad-cow too, their just not telling the public yeah, the americans have an other word for mad cows... it is called 'chicks' ------------------------------------------------ CEO of Spectre Syndicate - Curse Alliance ------------------------------------------------
Absinthe Addict	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:22:00 - [91] looking at Commander Jones with much distaste while preparing a glass of La Fee It would seem that our aspiring young Internet expert Commander Jones, who lives in Holland, has become the de facto expert on American ISP's and their offerings. Pourquoi est-ce que je ne suis pas stupÚfiÚ Ó son Úpanchement de la connaissance? La rÚponse est espace libre de cristal : il est plein de sa propre merde innÚe! a wicked grin touches his face while sipping absinthe Commander Jones, I heartily agree with a previous reply to this forum string made by The Architect, and I find the revelation you've made (in your ludicrous assertions concerning American ISP offerings) most deliciously amusing! You've shown yourself to be firmly in possesion of ONE brain cell (vous pauvre enfant retardÚ avec des couches-culottes pleines de la merde) and inbred, in one mighty outpouring of infantile chatter! How sardonically quaint. chuckles while sipping absinthe Les enfants qui ont ÚtÚ gÚnÚtiquement condamnÚs en raison de la convoitise d'un pÞre pour sa fille amusent, oui?
Flack Nine	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:22:00 - [92] yeah, the americans have an other word for mad cows... it is called 'chicks' Dude youre in for it now i can here the anti male rant coming now
Khas Akilae	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:22:00 - [93] We definately have to keep a bunch of women around Helps bring the population back up in case of a cataclysm
Khonsu	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:22:00 - [94] Edited by: Khonsu on 17/09/2003 15:24:15 Quote: Quote: I hereby declare my self Emperor of the universe. That is all. You may go. lol i refuse to let that be the last post on the thread I hereby make you my Viceroy on Earth.
Seer	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:22:00 - [95] All the yanks like Architect (Sorry only persons name I can rememeber and cant read thread cos of these crappy boards but..) CHILL OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Noone was being nasty - just poking fun to keep the boredom to the minimum. Notice all the smiley faces or :P 's after each comment!!! BUT SERIOUSLY THIS IS ALMOST THE WORST DT EVER!!! - ANYONE KNOW THE RECORD? OR IS THIS IT? ---------------------------------------------------
nono	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:23:00 - [96] Quote: - There is no ***** bandwidth cap. Eve just uses hardly any bandwidth (try it - CTRL-ALT+F9 (I think) will display your network stats.) it is about 1/60th of what Unreal Tournament (1999) used to use. - 'Real' Lag (rubberbanding) in Eve is caused by a spate of port 135 worms, which will decimate any network they touch (our hospital just got taken offline for 4 days (not my fault)) because of nachi, and some ** ignoring our security policies. What can I say ROFLMFAO EvE's got worms. Yea thats it, must be. " 'real' lag (rubberbanding) " OMFGISROFLMFAO[:roll:
Killmark	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:24:00 - [97] Quote: Quote: Horribly outdated internet??? Last I checked, Europe was wayyyy ahead of the states, man... I live in little old Denmark, where practically everybody gaming has at least 256/256 - most are actually on broadband... just got back from the US where I spent an agonizing 2 weeks on 56k shudder Kid, just because scandinavian countries are on top of ****e that does not mean all of Europe is. Also, broadband (adsl,dsl) is just the broadband of poor people, try cable, then laugh. And EVERY gamer in the us that plays online and does not live in the STIX has cable internet. Boardband > Cable Check the figures out for yourself.
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:25:00 - [98] Quote: BUT SERIOUSLY THIS IS ALMOST THE WORST DT EVER!!! - ANYONE KNOW THE RECORD? OR IS THIS IT? Want me list games I've played where patch dt could be upwards of a week? There's been a few. _______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age."
Devestator	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:25:00 - [99] There are so many people on Eve-I right now, Monster Lag. Can't even read comments to the Downtime posts.
Sandmaenchen	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:26:00 - [100] starting up =))))
Tharrn	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:26:00 - [101] Come on, post that farging news that the downtime is extended till 16:00 so I can finally leave and forget it for today.
Khas Akilae	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:27:00 - [102] Server is starting up 490sec
annoing	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:28:00 - [103] Quote: As for 4 hours of drivel, well, i've posted 2 items (now 3 with this) on the forums in the entire day - week even, so Im hoping that you're not taking 4 hours to read it. Nah, just generalising myself As for this extended downtime, I would just like to add my own worthless opinions: I dont like some of the things in the patch but I guess thats my problem. But, in saying that, i'd rather they take ALL day to get this right than rush it and find half the community complaining of CTD's after the last patch or something else. Sure for me and people like me, this is a right pain. I sit and stare at this screen or my TV in the other corner, but i'd rather face this boredom than lose my ship to a CTD like last time. 5 hours waiting here isnt as bad as mining for 2 weeks to replace the last loss. Unlike alot of others, I didnt come here and moan about my loss due to bug, I didnt even petition it (knowing that replacements are few and far between) I just fitted the old miner 1's and got my arse in gear. So enjoy the wait, and pray that its because they want to get it right, not wrong like last time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Inquisition Long live the Inquisition Long live the Emperor Long live Amarr! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Magna Fett	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:28:00 - [104] Reason for extended DT: Young CCP office boy Jim, was told to delete the server's cache folder, but deleted the Eve Server Directory instead, forcing CCP to reinstall the game. Hehe, that was a joke btw... woohoo server starting in 488 sec's. :)
Seer	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:28:00 - [105] Quote: Want me list games I've played where patch dt could be upwards of a week? There's been a few. Yes please I am bored outta my ass here - especially when I am at work and (shock horror) may need to actually do some work soon I am that bored... ---------------------------------------------------
MS BLAST	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:29:00 - [106] "- America have a lot of things (I won't mention any here, because the first things that come to mind are fast food and Microsoft)" As opposed to cornbeef & cabbage and that other European OS that EVE runs on? Funny how people love to bash MS(or M$)but they use and depend on their software to get through their day....guess everyone's gotta pull you down when you're on top...
Revel	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:29:00 - [107] Quote: Come on, post that farging news that the downtime is extended till 16:00 so I can finally leave and forget it for today. Actually, the servers starting up, should be ready in about 7-8 minutes...
Demitri Klashnikov	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:30:00 - [108] Hey the server is coming back up! -----------------------------------------------
arutha	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:31:00 - [109] whos coming back in 30 mins too ***** about the patch =p . btw dae i bought these cool pills on the internet im longer and stronger - and have a happier girlfriend 8)
Lord Frost	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:31:00 - [110] Will this patch prevent some large corps from selling isk on Ebay? They sit back and make members think they're giving to corp, but in reality, they sell on Ebay... sad
Maximillion Eilerson	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:32:00 - [111] I HEAR THAT ARU Giv free day
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:34:00 - [112] Quote: Quote: - There is no ***** bandwidth cap. Eve just uses hardly any bandwidth (try it - CTRL-ALT+F9 (I think) will display your network stats.) it is about 1/60th of what Unreal Tournament (1999) used to use. - 'Real' Lag (rubberbanding) in Eve is caused by a spate of port 135 worms, which will decimate any network they touch (our hospital just got taken offline for 4 days (not my fault)) because of nachi, and some ignoring our security policies. What can I say ROFLMFAO EvE's got worms. Yea thats it, must be. " 'real' lag (rubberbanding) " OMFGISROFLMFAO extra rolleyes removed (because they're retarded, retard.) ** Well done. If you need someone to explain to you the difference between something that occurs on your PC and something that is being transmitted to your PC, convo me. If you can work out how to. Or you could explain to everyone why I am wrong, and how great and knowledgable you are. Or you could get bent. The ball's in your court, trollboy. .
Master Scy	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:34:00 - [113] Quote: Edited by: Khonsu on 17/09/2003 15:24:15 Quote: Quote: I hereby declare my self Emperor of the universe. That is all. You may go. lol i refuse to let that be the last post on the thread I hereby make you my Viceroy on Earth. Can I plz get a few galaxies? ----------------------------- You think Marco Polo said "Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ? -Indigo Seqi
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:40:00 - [114] Quote: "- America have a lot of things (I won't mention any here, because the first things that come to mind are fast food and Microsoft)" As opposed to cornbeef & cabbage and that other European OS that EVE runs on? Funny how people love to bash MS(or M$)but they use and depend on their software to get through their day....guess everyone's gotta pull you down when you're on top... What makes you think I dislike microsoft? I said nothing to indicate that, and I did nothing to say I dislike America. I do like America, and I do like MS. If not for them, I'd be unemployed. I actually appreciate their OS's. And I don't think PC's would be anywhere near where they are today had it not been for MS. And what makes you think I dislike fast food? I do dislike cabbage, mayo, and corned beef though. But save the hostility for someone who deserves it. Thanks. .
Sascha Winters	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:53:00 - [115] Edited by: Sascha Winters on 17/09/2003 15:55:24 [[Hey we have to put up with your HORRIBLY OUTDATED internet connections that caused CCP to CAP the bandwith, so the least you can do is to put up with patching during your day. MUHAHAHAHHA]] - Err, CCP chose the London Docklands hosting complex known as "Telehouse" to host Eve because it's the best complex in Europe, and not a single Non-Government owned facility in the US is better. They're directly connected to 2 main POP's, each carrying 6GBps bandwidth, and in turn, they're connected to the main Trunk line that trawls the deep depths of the Atlantic, buried at the bottom. And that line's 255GBps by the way.... so no.. no cap there you idiot. [[Kid, just because scandinavian countries are on top of **e that does not mean all of Europe is. Also, broadband (adsl,dsl) is just the broadband of poor people, try cable, then laugh. And EVERY gamer in the us that plays online and does not live in the STIX has cable internet.]] - Again, hate to break this to you, but most of central Europe actually considers the US behind, and there's not much of a difference between "core" EU countries eg France, UK, Germany -- and the rest which has supposedly "superior service". When you can get SDSL 4096kbps/4096kbps services for the average Euro monthly rate, and not have to pay the equivalent of renting satellite bandwidth, let me know. And i'm not asking you to go and find ONE provider that is installing it into newly built housing estates, i'm talking about several companies leading to at least 90% availability for all population centres, and 75% to everywhere else... As for Cable being superior to DSL lines... er no. ADSL and Cable are much of a sameness. They both succomb to the same problems, ie signal degredation, user contention rations due to the companies being too tight arsed to install decent infrastructures blah blah. The only reason you dont see this so much with Cable is that it's a hell of a lot easier to stick signal boosters at every network node to hide the problem. As for Cable being faster... every single ADSL provider in the UK can match the speeds of Cable providers. But concluding the Cable vs DSL, DSL overall whoops Cable's ass, due to the wonderful thing that is SYNCHRONOUS DSL (SDSL). Equally complemented upstream/downstream rations. Because of the way Cable physically works, and due to packet protocols, you will NEVER get this with Cable, and for that reason alone, it sucks . [[There is a link on slashdot.org today that will end all argument over who has the crappiest net. And its the US by a LONG WAY!!! Only ex russian countries have poorer take-up and speeds than the US. Argument over -*y yanks get it handed to them again :P At least it wasnt by one of your own for once - friendly fire dont exist on the net :P]] - LMAO - too true [[Edit: Btw, maybe we're not familiar with /all/ European countries because they're in some cases the size of our smaller states, or in some best cases are county sized. When you can cross through 2 countries in 2 hours via train, it gets a little confusing to us. Considering it takes days to get across some of our states via automobile or via train]] - That has to be one of the weakest arguments/excuses for ignorance i've seen in quite some time! I salute you sir. Yes. that's right.. when I next claim not to be able to tell an American all 50 States i'll be sure to include the excuse "Well you're so damn big.. and there's so many of em.. I just loose track"... [[Ok, I wish that Europe got off their pedistall, which is old and decrepit, and that the US stopped being so damn arrogant in its bigotry. We could achieve so much more working TOGETHER. (the above statement is intended overall, I know here you are all open-minded illuminati) ps. I am aware of how hypocritical this sound being that I was *ing about the european connections in the first place.]] - Too *** right it's hypocritical, at least have the good manners to stfu and sit down when people turn around and *** because you tried to stir things up. It's a shame you couldn't find it in yourself to say this from the BEGINNING

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