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Tau Cabalander
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Posted - 2014.02.22 01:05:00 -
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Taking reservations for a 20 billion ISK unsecured investment with a 3 month duration beginning March 1 and ending May 31, and paying 5% per month. Minimum investments of 100 million ISK please. Please don't send ISK until instructed to do so, thanks!
I reserve the right to give past investors priority. See "History" below for a link.
Effective return on investment = 3 months * 5% per month = 15%
This offering is largely prompted by me having too many irons in the fire liquidity-wise at the moment, so the ISK from this investment will give me chance to pull each iron out one-at-time, as I've got a ridiculously large amount of assets tied-up in an unmarketable form at the moment.
History It's been nearly 3 years since my first offering, but this current offering is basically the same:
[BOND #1] 10 billion, paying 7.5%, 3 months, unsecured (FINISHED)
One thing to note about that offering is that I even paid investors a 1% bonus amount above the promised 7.5% amount. The effective return on their investment was 23.5% See posts 50 and 51 in that thread for details.
Some may balk at the amount of the current offering being double my last, but it has been quite a long time since then, and my activities have also grown a lot since then. I was tempted to make this offering for 50 billion ISK, but I thought that was even more likely to be ridiculed.
About Me I consider myself an industrialist, but not a carebear despite currently residing in hisec. I'm very active on the forums ranked at #30 top poster, posting primarily in the Science & Industry, EVE New Citizens Q&A, and Skill Discussions forums. I enjoy helping others, and hope to help them enjoy EVE as much as I do. Pretty much everything there is to know about me I've posted at one time or another.
I started EVE 2009-02-23, about a week before the Apocrypha expansion was released; it added the New Player Experience (NPE), tutorials, attribute remaps, SoE arc, etc., and w-space. After about a month or two in hisec (primarily in Amarr space, despite being born Caldari), I spent the next ~2.75 years of life living in w-space, which helped me become even more paranoid and suspicious than I already naturally was.
Other than past investors, the best known person to vouch for my trustworthiness is mega-industrialist Proton Power and his army of alts, notably Chris Smith. He still has an alt in my corp with director roles (actually it was his corp until he gave me the CEO position). When not borrowing my BPO, he's trying to convince me to join him shooting stuff in nulsec.
Additional Info Feel free to post here or EVE-mail me privately if you have any questions, or want additional info. I'll do my best to fulfill the request. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3189
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Posted - 2014.02.22 01:06:00 -
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Reserved. |
Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
74
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Posted - 2014.02.22 01:32:00 -
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Hello Tau,
Can you reserve 2 billion for me please?
Cheers, AA |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3189
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Posted - 2014.02.22 02:42:00 -
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Arancar Australis wrote:Hello Tau,
Can you reserve 2 billion for me please?
Cheers, AA Reserved! Thanks! |
Proton Power
Evolution Northern Coalition.
4
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Posted - 2014.02.22 04:31:00 -
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5b Reserve. |
RAW23
698
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Posted - 2014.02.22 05:01:00 -
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Hi Tau!
I was just wondering why you don't use your assets for collateral and secure a lower rate if they are currently tied up in an unmarketable form? Those would seem to be the perfect type of assets to secure a bond with. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
720
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Posted - 2014.02.22 05:44:00 -
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I will ask for a 1 bil reservation. Puts you at the halfway point :) |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3196
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Posted - 2014.02.22 08:45:00 -
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Proton Power wrote:5b Reserve. Reserved! Thanks!
RavenPaine wrote:I will ask for a 1 bil reservation. Puts you at the halfway point :) Reserved! Thanks!
Actually, still 12B to go. I think you may have double counted 2B reserve from Arancar Australis because of my quoted reply.
RAW23 wrote:Hi Tau!
I was just wondering why you don't use your assets for collateral and secure a lower rate if they are currently tied up in an unmarketable form? Those would seem to be the perfect type of assets to secure a bond with. The whole point of this exercise is to convert them into a more marketable form so I can clear them out, so I wouldn't want to tie them up as collateral. |
Mr JLB Matekoni
Speedy Motors
0
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Posted - 2014.02.22 09:53:00 -
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5B reservation, please. |
Tau Cabalander
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Posted - 2014.02.22 10:09:00 -
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Mr JLB Matekoni wrote:5B reservation, please. Reserved! Thanks!
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Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
742
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Posted - 2014.02.22 11:10:00 -
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I will reserve 2 bill please. I don't normally get involved in these but you go out of your way to help people on these forums so i would like to help your loan to show how much people appreciate that. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5243
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Posted - 2014.02.22 11:25:00 -
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Please let me fill the rest. If I am not wrong it should be 5B. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3198
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Posted - 2014.02.22 11:26:00 -
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Silvetica Dian wrote:I will reserve 2 bill please. I don't normally get involved in these but you go out of your way to help people on these forums so i would like to help your loan to show how much people appreciate that. Reserved! Thanks!
Thanks for the kind words. I am very grateful for your support! I hope I've not spend all my good-will credit with you for this. |
Tau Cabalander
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3198
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Posted - 2014.02.22 11:33:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Please let me fill the rest. If I am not wrong it should be 5B. Reserved! Thanks!
Ever notice how the epic celebrities get the final credit? |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3198
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Posted - 2014.02.22 11:41:00 -
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This filled a lot faster than I expected it would! Maybe I should have aimed for 50B after all.
All reservations are shown in post #2 in this thread.
Please send me ISK in the amount of your reservation on or before March 1.
Thanks again to all that have participated thus far! |
Mr JLB Matekoni
Speedy Motors
0
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Posted - 2014.02.22 12:10:00 -
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Sent!
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Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
742
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Posted - 2014.02.22 12:11:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Silvetica Dian wrote:I will reserve 2 bill please. I don't normally get involved in these but you go out of your way to help people on these forums so i would like to help your loan to show how much people appreciate that. Reserved! Thanks! Thanks for the kind words. I am very grateful for your support! I hope I've not spend all my good-will credit with you for this.
Unless you have a burning desire to join a small npc null PVP corp and by some miracle have no contacts in such entities after all these years i can't see that my good-will credit is worth much to anyone. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
742
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Posted - 2014.02.22 12:16:00 -
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isk sent Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
74
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Posted - 2014.02.22 12:41:00 -
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Isk sent.
Good luck Tau.
Cheers,
AA |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5243
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Posted - 2014.02.22 14:55:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:This filled a lot faster than I expected it would: 10 hours 20 minutes. Maybe I should have aimed for 50B after all.
All reservations are shown in post #2 in this thread.
Please send me ISK in the amount of your reservation on or before March 1.
Thanks again to all that have participated thus far!
Hello,
if you want I can send another 5B, for a total of 10. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
720
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Posted - 2014.02.22 17:49:00 -
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Isk sent. 1 billion, Labeled as [BOND #2]
Thanks for the opportunity Tau. Good luck in your venture. |
Tau Cabalander
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3198
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Posted - 2014.02.22 18:37:00 -
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ISK Received:
- 5B Mr JLB Matekoni
- 2B Silvetica Dian
- 2B Arancar Australis
- 1B Raven Paine
Total Received: 10B Outstanding Reservations: 10B
Silvetica Dian wrote:Unless you have a burning desire to join a small npc null PVP corp and by some miracle have no contacts in such entities after all these years i can't see that my good-will credit is worth much to anyone. Don't sell yourself short. You actually did just bring up something of interest to me.
I've been thinking of moving to nulsec for a long time, but for many reasons I've not been able to find a corp that seemed a fit for my many interests. Now maybe I have another one to consider.
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Hello,
if you want I can send another 5B, for a total of 10. Well that would have made next time easier, doubling again from 25B to 50B, lol, but I think since I've already received half the ISK from investors, I should just stay the course and keep this offering at 20B.
So please, just send send the reserved 5B when convenient. Thanks! |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5243
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Posted - 2014.02.22 19:11:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote: Well that would have made next time easier, doubling again from 25B to 50B, lol, but I think since I've already received half the ISK from investors, I should just stay the course and keep this offering at 20B.
So please, just send send the reserved 5B when convenient. Thanks!
ISK sent. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
745
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Posted - 2014.02.22 23:25:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:
I've been thinking of moving to nulsec for a long time, but for many reasons I've not been able to find a corp that seemed a fit for my many interests. Now maybe I have another one to consider.
Well if you want to chat mail me privately or convo me. I am head of recruitment anyway and don't really do the hard sell. For smaller groups it is more important that everyone wants similar things and that everyone gets along. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Tau Cabalander
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Posted - 2014.02.22 23:25:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:ISK sent. ISK received! Thanks! |
Tau Cabalander
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Posted - 2014.02.22 23:33:00 -
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Proton Power sent 5B ISK to me, so all ISK has now been received! |
Tau Cabalander
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Posted - 2014.03.16 01:21:00 -
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Quick Update:
* A corpmate with an idle 20b ISK told me he would have loaned me the ISK at a much more favorable rate. I completely forgot to ask him.
* I placed orders for ~11b in minerals. Another corpmate placed orders for ~50b in minerals. Chaos ensued as we didn't realize the other had placed mineral orders, and we both started hauling minerals away from the deliveries hangar. For a while I was feeling quite smug, yet confused, having quadrupled my investment so easily.
* One of my spreadsheets was never really adequate, so I fixed that. After starting manufacturing jobs based on the new spreadsheet, I was unexpectedly very short of materials. Re-checking my spreadsheet revealed that I had overlooked some material changes CCP made.
* While updating material changes in another spreadsheet I noticed a huge, enormous, OMGWTFBBQ size of error that probably cost me a lot of ISK in the past. After overhauling that spreadsheet I still noticed that there was a lot of amplification: a small change in prices made an unexpectedly large difference. After updating prices and triple-checking everything, I was happily surprised to see that profits would be about double what I previously expected.
Overall things are progressing slower than I would have hoped, but still well.
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Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
827
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Posted - 2014.03.16 14:14:00 -
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Your story of spreadheet woe is why i use a very different system on my manufacturing alt. i use iph to make sure i am building stuff that is profitable and using the correct thingy for invention i don't really look at which thing is most profit. i don't keep track of mats i have. stock, profits or anything really. I have no spreadsheet of my own. i just buy stuff, haul build, move back to market and sell. i have 10 lines going 24/7 invention and build and no POS. The reason i do it this way i because i am lazy and wouldn't update my spreadsheets or anything else that would be needed. If people like yourself struggle on occaision then i would have no chance. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3277
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Posted - 2014.03.16 18:30:00 -
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I don't like third-party tools, as they don't present the data in a manner I personally find most useful.
I once shared a spreadsheet with a corpmate, and he found it totally useless for his own needs. Personal taste I guess.
One spreadsheet which remains very out of date (I have a separate hangar of BPO not on the spreadsheet), tracks my entire BPO inventory. It is primarily outdated because when I started it years ago, I chose a very poor layout that is extremely tedious to maintain. It wasn't until my BPO collection had grown to a significant size that the foundation cracks began to appear. I'm still mulling over a good way do it; layout and breaking it down into parts and sub-assemblies and such.
My spreadsheets are an issue, simply because until this bond I was coasting along. Now that I'm working with other people's ISK again, I take that very seriously, so it is incentive to do more than just continue coasting. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3342
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Posted - 2014.03.31 01:38:00 -
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Interest payments for March have gone out:
Proton Power: 250 million ISK Vaerah Vahrokha: 250 million ISK Arancar Australis: 100 million ISK RavenPaine: 50 million ISK Mr JLB Matekoni: 250 million ISK Silvetica Dian: 100 million ISK
A brief summary for March:
Current Bond Wallet: 15,546,070,322.64 ISK Current Sell Orders: 3,789,016,109 ISK Est. In-Production Value: 24.6 billion ISK
Est. Change after expenses: +9,496,318,739 ISK
The amount in the bond wallet is misleading, as it has been active. Further, I expect the bond wallet balance to drop significantly in April as production progresses; May's activity should be dominated by sales for the end of the bond.
Worth noting is that I replenished my POS fuel stockpile with a 365 day supply.
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Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
85
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Posted - 2014.03.31 02:41:00 -
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Isk Received.
Keep up the good work Tau.
Cheers,
AA |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
889
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Posted - 2014.03.31 09:22:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:
Worth noting is that I replenished my POS fuel stockpile with a 365 day supply.
Isk received thankyou. I hope you bought the fuel before the spike in prices. I suspect the price spike is permanent and represents the end of the stockpiles built up during the infinite ice age. Good luck with the rest of the project. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Mr JLB Matekoni
Speedy Motors
0
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Posted - 2014.03.31 09:36:00 -
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Thankyou! |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5327
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Posted - 2014.04.04 18:24:00 -
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ISK Received. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3440
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Posted - 2014.04.14 22:15:00 -
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Mid-month update.
* The month began with a wardec, which has affected production. The war has now ended.
* As a precaution, all manufacturing was moved to NPC stations, which is safer, but slower.
* Sales have been abysmal, though I finally managed to dump last month's inventory.
* I've taken steps to insure interest will be paid regardless, at the expense of manufacturing efficiency and profits.
Hopefully the second-half of the month improves.
On an AFK note, I signed today to purchase the condo I've been renting. Deal closes May 14th. My first property. Not financed, so no mortgage to pay. *\o/* However I did ransack my savings and investments. |
Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
93
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:00:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Mid-month update.
* The month began with a wardec, which has affected production. The war has now ended.
* As a precaution, all manufacturing was moved to NPC stations, which is safer, but slower.
* Sales have been abysmal, though I finally managed to dump last month's inventory.
* I've taken steps to insure interest will be paid regardless, at the expense of manufacturing efficiency and profits.
Hopefully the second-half of the month improves.
On an AFK note, I signed today to purchase the condo I've been renting. Deal closes May 14th. My first property. Not financed, so no mortgage to pay. *\o/* However I did ransack my savings and investments.
So that is what our Isk was for
Congrats on the purchase!! |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3441
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Posted - 2014.04.15 02:38:00 -
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Arancar Australis wrote:So that is what our Isk was for Congrats on the purchase!! Thanks.
If I could pay via ISK, I'd have gotten a larger place
There is a Porsche dealer across the street. I wonder if they take ISK... |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3537
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Posted - 2014.04.30 00:01:00 -
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Interest payments for April have gone out:
Proton Power: 250 million ISK Vaerah Vahrokha: 250 million ISK Arancar Australis: 100 million ISK RavenPaine: 50 million ISK Mr JLB Matekoni: 250 million ISK Silvetica Dian: 100 million ISK
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Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
98
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Posted - 2014.04.30 14:43:00 -
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Isk Received
Thanks mate
Cheers,
AA |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
995
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Posted - 2014.04.30 19:52:00 -
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isk received. Thankyou. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
790
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Posted - 2014.05.02 22:49:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:
There is a Porsche dealer across the street. I wonder if they take ISK...
Some of my old corp members (6 that I met and was aware of) worked at a nearby auto dealership.
It would be common there to hear on the loudspeaker: "Hillbilly to the sales office please" or "Crusher to the service desk please"
More current: ISK received. Thx Tau. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3564
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Posted - 2014.05.06 06:24:00 -
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Would any of the investors be against me extending this bond indefinitely? You can cash-out in full at any time after the official end date of May 31.
Reason: it looks like another slow sales month is looming for me. I could sell directly to buy-orders, and pay off the bond, but I'd rather not have to. I also haven't manufactured anywhere near what I had originally planned as a result.
If any investor objects, or doesn't get back to me before the end of this month, I will cash you out in full at the end of this month as originally announced.
Otherwise I'll continue to pay you interest monthly.
Your choice.
Proton Power has told me at least twice he was okay with an extension on his 5b. |
Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
99
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Posted - 2014.05.06 06:49:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Would any of the investors be against me extending this bond indefinitely? You can cash-out in full at any time after the official end date of May 31.
Reason: it looks like another slow sales month is looming for me. I could sell directly to buy-orders, and pay off the bond, but I'd rather not have to. I also haven't manufactured anywhere near what I had originally planned as a result.
If any investor objects, or doesn't get back to me before the end of this month, I will cash you out in full at the end of this month as originally announced.
Otherwise I'll continue to pay you interest monthly.
Your choice.
Proton Power has told me at least twice he was okay with an extension on his 5b.
Happy to extend for as long as you like |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
1012
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Posted - 2014.05.07 11:18:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Would any of the investors be against me extending this bond indefinitely? You can cash-out in full at any time after the official end date of May 31.
Reason: it looks like another slow sales month is looming for me. I could sell directly to buy-orders, and pay off the bond, but I'd rather not have to. I also haven't manufactured anywhere near what I had originally planned as a result.
If any investor objects, or doesn't get back to me before the end of this month, I will cash you out in full at the end of this month as originally announced.
Otherwise I'll continue to pay you interest monthly.
Your choice.
Proton Power has told me at least twice he was okay with an extension on his 5b.
Yeah np Tau. I have no current need for more liquid isk. I will let you know if i need it back otherwise keep sending the interest. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
792
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:28:00 -
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I can go either way. If you want to knock off a small chunk of the bond, send my ISK. If some of the larger investors need to clear out, then do me later.
I'm lovin the interest payments, and I don't need the original investment atm. I also totally understand about markets and price changes. Sometimes selling inventory just takes a little more time.
My point is: Do whatever works best for you. It's all good. |
Black Madness
Natural Born Builders New Eden Gambling Alliance
13
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Posted - 2014.05.08 12:27:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Would any of the investors be against me extending this bond indefinitely? You can cash-out in full at any time after the official end date of May 31.
Reason: it looks like another slow sales month is looming for me. I could sell directly to buy-orders, and pay off the bond, but I'd rather not have to. I also haven't manufactured anywhere near what I had originally planned as a result.
If any investor objects, or doesn't get back to me before the end of this month, I will cash you out in full at the end of this month as originally announced.
Otherwise I'll continue to pay you interest monthly.
Your choice.
Proton Power has told me at least twice he was okay with an extension on his 5b.
I remember that when you was asking for just 20 B and 3 months for a 5% i was very skeptic: i wrote elsewhere, i see a huge congestion in markets (new eden-wise) for standard market approach, yours is a proof of that.
There's a gigantic mount of people making trading, taking lots of pressure on the markets. I experience this in all of the most important hubs.
It takes time (multiple orders update sessions, at least 3 a day, imo), lots of items traded, and high burnout risk.
Anyway, wish you good luck.
www.eve-gamblers.org
-= Real PRO use isk =-
Eve Forum thread:-áhttp://goo.gl/q1rpFy |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3577
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:01:00 -
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Black Madness wrote:I remember that when you was asking for just 20 B and 3 months for a 5% i was very skeptic: i wrote elsewhere, i see a huge congestion in markets (new eden-wise) for standard market approach, yours is a proof of that.
There's a gigantic mount of people making trading, taking lots of pressure on the markets. I experience this in all of the most important hubs.
It takes time (multiple orders update sessions, at least 3 a day, imo), lots of items traded, and high burnout risk. You are correct that the market is experiencing a down-turn. It has been for quite some time. However, that doesn't mean there are no profits to be made.
Most importantly, I'm not a trader. I'm a manufacturer. There is a big difference, at least in my opinion. One of the differences is not having to play the 0.01 ISK game.
I also think it is important to follow your post by re-assuring my investors that they can request their ISK be returned today, and it would be back in their wallets in 24 hours.
I'm extremely cautious when it comes to the markets. Paranoid even, and even more so when managing other people's ISK. This is largely the reason why I'm not a trader. I'm investment-risk adverse, especially in long-term investments. Hence the normally short 3 month run of my bonds.
A wardec also upset my planned schedule, as I couldn't move anything for a week. That meant I missed some manufacturing deadlines.
Black Madness wrote:Anyway, wish you good luck. Thanks. |
Mr JLB Matekoni
Speedy Motors
0
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:40:00 -
[48] - Quote
You are most welcome to hold my investment until you no longer need it. |
Black Madness
Natural Born Builders New Eden Gambling Alliance
13
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Posted - 2014.05.09 07:12:00 -
[49] - Quote
lol, i completely forgot i was posting here :)
First of all, i am completely ok with you, not trolling or trying to.
was just jumping in to express my opinion and maybe trying to get some different point of view. i agree that there is room for profit, but what is changing for ALL the marketing strategies, in my opinion, is the commitment needed. this is to be clear, because very often (it is not your case) people starts claiming that they are CURRENTLY getting superrich by making 10 minutes of jita station trading a day.
i call this .... well, you know :-)
Regards, BM
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Proton Power
Evolution Northern Coalition.
17
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:35:00 -
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If anyone wants there isk I will buyout there portion. I am liquid enough to buyout entire bond if needed, just need to know :)
Did not even realize i was recieveing the isk, I thought you paid it at end of bond lol.....
If you need more isk let me know as well, I will support waht ever you need up to about 100bil. Your other share holders must be okay with this prior to me transfering the isk so that they understand the risk has went up. |
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3592
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Posted - 2014.05.13 00:05:00 -
[51] - Quote
This past weekend, I realized that I had no idea where the markets would go with the industry changes, let alone how I would be continuing to manufacture (i.e. POS or station, or would I have to move systems, etc.) after June 3, only 3 weeks away. There are just too many variables and unknowns.
So I liquidated most of my in-production stock as prices were favourable. I also sold some of my PLEX stash, and some of my T2 BPC, to reach the 20b bond principal amount.
I also threw my BPO into research, hoping to get them to ME 10 by June 3, or at least hoping ME 10 was in-progress before then.
I then had a surprisingly good sales weekend, which added nearly 7b on top of that, and then about 2.8b finished manufacturing and went up for sale. I still have about 13b left in production.
I hate Mondays.
Now comes CCP's announcement of pushing-back industry changes to Crius on July 22 and NOT June 3.
*sigh*
On the bright side, Proton Power helped me realize I was earning nearly 3 times more than I thought I was. Durn spreadsheet errors... and I get to re-do them after July 22. |
Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
100
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Posted - 2014.05.13 03:05:00 -
[52] - Quote
Tau Cabalander wrote:This past weekend, I realized that I had no idea where the markets would go with the industry changes, let alone how I would be continuing to manufacture (i.e. POS or station, or would I have to move systems, etc.) after June 3, only 3 weeks away. There are just too many variables and unknowns. So I liquidated most of my in-production stock as prices were favourable. I also sold some of my PLEX stash, and some of my T2 BPC, to reach the 20b bond principal amount. I also threw my BPO into research, hoping to get them to ME 10 by June 3, or at least hoping ME 10 was in-progress before then. I then had a surprisingly good sales weekend, which added nearly 7b on top of that, and then about 2.8b finished manufacturing and went up for sale. I still have about 13b left in production. I hate Mondays. Now comes CCP's announcement of pushing-back industry changes to Crius on July 22 and NOT June 3. *sigh* On the bright side, Proton Power helped me realize I was earning nearly 3 times more than I thought I was. Durn spreadsheet errors... and I get to re-do them after July 22.
And here i am starting to dabble in the manufacturing side of things...scary indeed.
And yes, Mondays are not a favourite (unless you are sadistic and like seeing everyone in pain on Monday ) |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
1016
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Posted - 2014.05.13 11:27:00 -
[53] - Quote
i too am wondering how my manufacturing habits will need to change. I am really hoping i won't need a POS as i get by atm without one. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5414
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Posted - 2014.05.14 13:35:00 -
[54] - Quote
Confirming I am OK at letting my portion in the investment go ahead.
Actually, I am placing some ISK in several investments if you need an additional 10-20-30B just ask. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3611
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Posted - 2014.05.14 14:58:00 -
[55] - Quote
All investors have now agreed to an extension.
I thank you all for your continued trust. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3683
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Posted - 2014.06.01 07:49:00 -
[56] - Quote
Interest payments for May have gone out:
Proton Power: 250 million ISK Vaerah Vahrokha: 250 million ISK Arancar Australis: 100 million ISK RavenPaine: 50 million ISK Mr JLB Matekoni: 250 million ISK Silvetica Dian: 100 million ISK
As previously agreed by all investors, the bond will be extended.
Should any investor wish to cash-out, post here or EVE-mail me, and I'll return your investment ASAP (I expect within 24 hours). |
Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
100
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Posted - 2014.06.01 14:56:00 -
[57] - Quote
Isk Received |
Mr JLB Matekoni
Speedy Motors
0
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Posted - 2014.06.02 18:07:00 -
[58] - Quote
Thankyou |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
1072
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Posted - 2014.06.02 19:48:00 -
[59] - Quote
Isk Received Thankyou Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3795
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Posted - 2014.06.28 18:52:00 -
[60] - Quote
Interest payments for June have gone out, and principal amounts returned:
Proton Power: 5 billion ISK principal + 250 million ISK interest = 5.25 billion ISK Vaerah Vahrokha: 5 billion ISK principal + 250 million ISK interest = 5.25 billion ISK Arancar Australis: 2 billion ISK principal + 100 million ISK interest = 2.1 billion ISK RavenPaine: 1 billion ISK principal + 50 million ISK interest = 1.05 billion ISK Mr JLB Matekoni: 5 billion ISK principal + 250 million interest ISK = 5.25 billion ISK Silvetica Dian: 2 billion ISK principal + 100 million ISK interest = 2.1 billion ISK
This bond has ended. Thank-you to all my investors!
Summary of Bond
- Total Amount: 20 billion ISK.
- Duration: 4 months (extended 1 month)
- Total Interest Paid: 4 billion ISK @ 5% per month [20% overall]
Recently, Proton Power asked me how the bond was going, and whether it was profitable.
I responded that I would be ending the bond, and that I didn't think it was very profitable, but at least it helped me to clear-out my hangars (of materials, components, BPC, and such), which was the goal.
Looking back now, I have to admit I forgot all the things I gained during the bond:
- Two Rhea jump freighters.
- Rorqual BPO.
- Three freighter BPO.
- Two capital component BPO.
- A year supply of POS fuel.
- Max-run BPCs for every ship skin in The New Eden Store.
- A monocle. [It looks better on an alt, so he wears it.]
- A fancy suit for another alt. [He was jealous of the monocle.]
- BPC for a Rorqual ORE Edition [Thanks again Proton Power!]
My OCD demands I complete my BPO collection. "Gotta Catch 'em all!" I think my next goal will be a titan BPO.
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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
826
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Posted - 2014.06.29 00:29:00 -
[61] - Quote
Isk received.
Thanks again, very much Tau, for the very professional and timely payments and the completion of the bond.
It looks like you did good with all the assets acquired, and hopefully made some liquid isk to boot. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5440
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Posted - 2014.06.29 01:59:00 -
[62] - Quote
Confirming receipt of principal plus interest.
Thank you for your work, if you'll need some money again, you know where to find it. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
Mr JLB Matekoni
Speedy Motors
0
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Posted - 2014.06.29 09:12:00 -
[63] - Quote
All received, thankyou! |
Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
100
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Posted - 2014.06.29 12:55:00 -
[64] - Quote
Principal and Interest received.
Congrats mate
Cheers,
AA |
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