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Knights Armament
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Posted - 2014.02.22 13:15:00 -
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Too many people have fallen into the trap of being fans of battlestar galatica, trained for caldari cap ships only to waste millions of skill points. Please tell me that I am not the only one who wanted to defeat the cylons?
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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.02.22 13:17:00 -
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i'm sorry but when people say "wasted sp" it's a pretty good indicator that they're either uninformed or whining. usually both. |
Aivo Dresden
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.22 13:19:00 -
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Tbh, I think we can all agree that the Phoenix is pretty rubbish. :P |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
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Posted - 2014.02.22 13:27:00 -
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Look at it the brigth way, it has the highest survival rate of all dreadnoughts. Probably because nobody targets it.... heared rumours that titans can speed-tank a Phoenix Dreadnought, albeit it sounds a bit exaggerated.
Also on Dreadnaughts being trained for looks, I'm sure the Naglfar crowd has it's fair share of fans too, looks like a rusted version of the Hiigari mothership from Homeworld. But at least those guys did got an improvement not too long ago.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2014.02.22 13:32:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:i'm sorry but when people say "wasted sp" it's a pretty good indicator that they're either uninformed or whining. usually both.
This might be the exception that proves the rule. The pheonix is pretty awful
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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.02.22 13:46:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Dave Stark wrote:i'm sorry but when people say "wasted sp" it's a pretty good indicator that they're either uninformed or whining. usually both. This might be the exception that proves the rule. The pheonix is pretty awful
so are many other things. |
Bernie Nator
4U Services Inc.
Upholders
944
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Posted - 2014.02.22 14:06:00 -
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Hey.
Leave my scanning dreadnought out of this. |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.22 14:07:00 -
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Jandice Ymladris wrote:Look at it the brigth way, it has the highest survival rate of all dreadnoughts. Probably because nobody targets it.... heared rumours that titans can speed-tank a Phoenix Dreadnought, albeit it sounds a bit exaggerated.
Actually, it's not exaggerated, anything that moves faster than about 50m/s can speedtank a phoenix. yes, that means even freighters can SPEEDtank a phoenix in siege.
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Major 'Revolver' Ocelot
GRU Special Forces
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Posted - 2014.02.22 16:06:00 -
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Have they ever had a go at changing it in the past?
I love to reload during a battle... There's nothing like the feeling of slamming a long silver missile, into a well greased chamber... |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
CODE.
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Posted - 2014.02.22 16:24:00 -
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There's some talk about making it revenant again.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
13930
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Posted - 2014.02.22 17:30:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Malcanis wrote:Dave Stark wrote:i'm sorry but when people say "wasted sp" it's a pretty good indicator that they're either uninformed or whining. usually both. This might be the exception that proves the rule. The pheonix is pretty awful so are many other things.
I'm interested in your list of ships or mods that carriers can speedtank
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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.02.22 17:39:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Malcanis wrote:Dave Stark wrote:i'm sorry but when people say "wasted sp" it's a pretty good indicator that they're either uninformed or whining. usually both. This might be the exception that proves the rule. The pheonix is pretty awful so are many other things. I'm interested in your list of ships or mods that carriers can speedtank
pretty sure you've quoted the wrong post there, malc. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
NBrio
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Posted - 2014.02.22 17:41:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:There's some talk about making it revenant again.
That pun was physically painful. Let me go scrub my eyeballs now.
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firepup82
EVE Protection Agency
Bloodline.
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Posted - 2014.02.22 17:43:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:i'm sorry but when people say "wasted sp" it's a pretty good indicator that they're either uninformed or whining. usually both.
Give one example in PvP where the phoenix is even mediocre. Fact is you can't, remember pvp not pvps. Maybe in this case you the person you describe in your post :/ |
Marsan
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2014.02.22 17:51:00 -
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I'm pretty sure he meant "pretty awful" not "speed tanking". In any case there is hope. CCP is gradually rebalancing all ships. They have done most of the ships in the game. Basically they have the pirate faction ships, and the blops left to rebalance before the capital ships. Which at the rate they are going it's going mean they'll likely be rebalancing caps this winter. (As I expect pirate faction ships and possibly blop to be rebalanced this summer.)
PS- Personally I've been buying up the cheapest pirate ships, and blops in hopes they will jump in price, then I'll likely roll that isk into the Phoenix, and under performing carriers. Although dreads and carriers are much more dangerous investment as they are mostly minerals in value which rise and fall independent of the usefulness of ships.
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SpoonRECKLESS
LOGI R Us
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Posted - 2014.02.22 18:49:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:Too many people have fallen into the trap of being fans of battlestar galatica, trained for caldari cap ships only to waste millions of skill points. Please tell me that I am not the only one who wanted to defeat the cylons?
I'm Caldari in the game as well, I understand but you have to suck it up and keep training. Not all the Caldari ships are bad tho Rokh is good Ferox got a new breath of life after hybrid changes, And the well uh... OH yeah hams are beast now so yeah.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2014.02.22 19:26:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote: waste millions of skill points
The only place you should see that phrase is in the Character Bazaar by people trying to negotiate a cheaper price. There are very few ways you can legitimately say you have wasted SP.
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Job Valador
Sovereign Colonies Armed Forces
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Posted - 2014.02.22 19:28:00 -
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Give it bonuses and hardpoints for hybrids. There, fixed.
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Miasmos
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.22 19:51:00 -
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1) work out the proper role for shield caps and supers
2) make phoenix play well in that
Perhaps shields should be overall tankier (better resists, instant RR) and armor more hp to survive alpha? That way shield counter would be alpha, and armor would counter alpha. Armor counter would be raw dps.
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Jackka
Nuclear Lunatics
The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2014.02.22 21:18:00 -
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Maybe people that want to fly Pheonixes can get together with people who want to fly Hels and have a weekly support group thread. lol
"Hi, my name is Jackka and I'm a 7 year EVE player.
I've been wanting to fly the Hel for a couple years now and I haven't lost hope yet that CCP will make these ships somewhat sensible to fly. Sometimes I want to punch Archon pilots in the face. ....."
"Welcome, Jackka. We're all glad to have you here. And YES, we all have to believe in CCP. ..."
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Victoria Thorne
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.22 21:33:00 -
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Let the Phoenix mount bomb launchers.  |
AnotherUseless Alt
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.22 22:24:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:Too many people have fallen into the trap of being fans of battlestar galatica, trained for caldari cap ships only to waste millions of skill points. Please tell me that I am not the only one who wanted to defeat the cylons?
It is viable, Fully insure it, then suicide it at a jump beacon for a Jump freighter...win/win.
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Atalia Madeveda
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.02.22 22:26:00 -
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Give it railgun bonuses built around range. |
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.22 22:36:00 -
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I know a lot of people that have trained phoenixes for the lolz. They sit on the undock and when people sit like 100KM off station they shoot a volley at them. I've seen phoenixs that have killed interceptors, hacs, etc just because the enemy was not moving laughing in local because they say a phoenix.
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Esteban Dragonovic
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.23 07:56:00 -
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I might note that the problem with the phoenix is not necessarily the ship, but rather the deplorable state of capital missiles. (Which is also why Levis are good most repects except their primary weapon system) |
Rumtin
Imperium Technologies
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2014.02.23 09:04:00 -
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Esteban Dragonovic wrote:I might note that the problem with the phoenix is not necessarily the ship, but rather the deplorable state of capital missiles. (Which is also why Levis are good most repects except their primary weapon system)
I agree, the citadel missiles are the screw up, not necessarily the ship itself. |
Yarda Black
Epidemic.
Psychosomatic.
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Posted - 2014.02.23 09:17:00 -
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I have a Phoenix. I get mocked when I show up in it. I'm currently selling it. I mean; trying to.
I went Phoenix cos my first character was Caldari and the alliance I was with was supplying its rank and file with dreads.
I think "The Brick" looks great, I love the capstability and its tank isnt that bad either. But like others pointed out; unless I find a stationary object I'm just out there for my looks.
So yeah; a bit of tweaks to make me feel more than just an escort would be great. |
Claud Tiberius
State Protectorate
Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2014.02.23 10:43:00 -
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Yarda Black wrote:I have a Phoenix. I get mocked when I show up in it. I'm currently selling it. I mean; trying to.
I went Phoenix cos my first character was Caldari and the alliance I was with was supplying its rank and file with dreads.
I think "The Brick" looks great, I love the capstability and its tank isnt that bad either. But like others pointed out; unless I find a stationary object I'm just out there for my looks.
So yeah; a bit of tweaks to make me feel more than just an escort would be great.
I'm curious, if you don't mind me asking, what was your regular amount of damage inflicted per missile against other capitals? And what were the circumstances (the missile type used, modules you were using, your relevant skill levels, the target, its speed, resistances (if known)). |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.02.23 11:06:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Dave Stark wrote:i'm sorry but when people say "wasted sp" it's a pretty good indicator that they're either uninformed or whining. usually both. This might be the exception that proves the rule. The pheonix is pretty awful
I could disprove this fairly quick but I feel like a GD discussion isn't really the place to do it.
The Phoenix has a fairly powerful alpha and a huge brick tank on it. For capital engagements like B-R and or HED where the targets aren't likely to move very much and or structure shoots the Phoenix is actually king.
EDIT: rather than post wildly a simple screen shot to help you out:
http://i.imgur.com/kHyTmon.png
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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
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Posted - 2014.02.23 12:30:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Malcanis wrote:Dave Stark wrote:i'm sorry but when people say "wasted sp" it's a pretty good indicator that they're either uninformed or whining. usually both. This might be the exception that proves the rule. The pheonix is pretty awful I could disprove this fairly quick but I feel like a GD discussion isn't really the place to do it. The Phoenix has a fairly powerful alpha and a huge brick tank on it. For capital engagements like B-R and or HED where the targets aren't likely to move very much and or structure shoots the Phoenix is actually king. EDIT: rather than post wildly a simple screen shot to help you out: http://i.imgur.com/kHyTmon.png
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