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Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:06:00 - [1] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 16/04/2006 15:07:20 Isnt it enough with having them near stations? Wouldnt eve be alot better if casual players could sit at a gate in these systems and try to ransom/kill people? If a gate is camped, word about it would spread in the channels and people would try to chase them off. Good battles would occur and eve would be exciting. Older players usually say "Go to 0.0 if you want this". This is not easy for new casual players to do. You need access to stations and friends to survive for any extended period of time in 0.0. And maybe you dont feel like coordinating a big gate camp with other people. Maybe you simply want to have some fun without spending hours and hours planning it. I just think that eve would be alot more fun if every gate in 0.1 to 0.4 could be a potential fight. As it is now, every pirate are in battleships at gates since they need to tank the sentries. This leads to blobbing and the pirate will have to leave the gate after he attacks someone to let the timer wear off. Its not realistic and its not fun. Discuss.... --- "2006.04.15 05:48:19 notify Ditrigonal Thermal Barrier Crystallization I is already modifyActiveShieldResonanceAndNullifyPassiveResonance."
Raven Aure	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:10:00 - [2] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 16/04/2006 15:07:20 Isnt it enough with having them near stations? Wouldnt eve be alot better if casual players could sit at a gate in these systems and try to ransom/kill people? If a gate is camped, word about it would spread in the channels and people would try to chase them off. Er... this already happens. ______________________ Originally by: Double TaP hippo, other guy, calm down. lets be friends. yall are arguing about the different meanings of the word zerg.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:11:00 - [3] Originally by: Raven Aure Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 16/04/2006 15:07:20 Isnt it enough with having them near stations? Wouldnt eve be alot better if casual players could sit at a gate in these systems and try to ransom/kill people? If a gate is camped, word about it would spread in the channels and people would try to chase them off. Er... this already happens. So, are the sentry guns needed? --- "2006.04.15 05:48:19 notify Ditrigonal Thermal Barrier Crystallization I is already modifyActiveShieldResonanceAndNullifyPassiveResonance."
Sovy Kurosei	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:12:00 - [4] You can pirate as a noob in 0.0 space, just bring some friends and camp a gate and the targets will come flying to you. ------------- Rules for ship combat. 1) Bring a ship. 2) Bring all your friends in ships. 3) Bring ammo. Bring the right ammo. Bring lots of it.
Slink Grinsdikild	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:12:00 - [5] Originally by: Jim McGregor Isnt it enough with having them near stations? Wouldnt eve be alot better if casual players could sit at a gate in these systems and try to ransom/kill people? If you're a casual player regions like Syndicate couldn't be any better for a 'quick PvP fix'. I fail to see your point, why would a casual player want to stay in 0.0 for an extended period of time?
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:14:00 - [6] Originally by: Slink Grinsdikild Originally by: Jim McGregor Isnt it enough with having them near stations? Wouldnt eve be alot better if casual players could sit at a gate in these systems and try to ransom/kill people? If you're a casual player regions like Syndicate couldn't be any better for a 'quick PvP fix'. I fail to see your point, why would a casual player want to stay in 0.0 for an extended period of time? Maybe im not explaining what i mean in a good way. Sure you could travel 20 jumps to Syndicate and try to sit at a gate, but why not allow 0.1 to 0.4 systems to work in the same way? That is - no sentries? --- "2006.04.15 05:48:19 notify Ditrigonal Thermal Barrier Crystallization I is already modifyActiveShieldResonanceAndNullifyPassiveResonance."
Kahani Lyn	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:15:00 - [7] No its not enough near stations because everyone camps the gates. It's already set up in zones, hisec = death, lowsec = sentries, 0.0 = nothing, there needs to be a buffer zone between CONCORDOKKEN and BoBAGEDDON It's not a potential fight at 0.0 gates either, it's usually a gankfleet waiting to pounce on a single person, unless they bring their own gankfleet. Leave lowsec as it is.
Raven Aure	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:16:00 - [8] Originally by: Kahani Lyn No its not enough near stations because everyone camps the gates. It's already set up in zones, hisec = death, lowsec = sentries, 0.0 = nothing, there needs to be a buffer zone between CONCORDOKKEN and BoBAGEDDON It's not a potential fight at 0.0 gates either, it's usually a gankfleet waiting to pounce on a single person, unless they bring their own gankfleet. Leave lowsec as it is. Beat me to it. There has to be a buffer-zone between the two. ______________________ Originally by: Double TaP hippo, other guy, calm down. lets be friends. yall are arguing about the different meanings of the word zerg.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:16:00 - [9] Originally by: Sovy Kurosei You can pirate as a noob in 0.0 space, just bring some friends and camp a gate and the targets will come flying to you. Yep. But my point is that eve would be better if this was possible in 0.1 to 0.4 as well. --- "2006.04.15 05:48:19 notify Ditrigonal Thermal Barrier Crystallization I is already modifyActiveShieldResonanceAndNullifyPassiveResonance."
Kryss Darkdust	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:18:00 - [10] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 16/04/2006 15:07:20 Isnt it enough with having them near stations? Wouldnt eve be alot better if casual players could sit at a gate in these systems and try to ransom/kill people? If a gate is camped, word about it would spread in the channels and people would try to chase them off. Good battles would occur and eve would be exciting. Older players usually say "Go to 0.0 if you want this". This is not easy for new casual players to do. You need access to stations and friends to survive for any extended period of time in 0.0. And maybe you dont feel like coordinating a big gate camp with other people. Maybe you simply want to have some fun without spending hours and hours planning it. I just think that eve would be alot more fun if every gate in 0.1 to 0.4 could be a potential fight. As it is now, every pirate are in battleships at gates since they need to tank the sentries. This leads to blobbing and the pirate will have to leave the gate after he attacks someone to let the timer wear off. Its not realistic and its not fun. Discuss.... If it were not for the Sentry Guns near stations and Gates there would be no point in having .1 to .4 space at all. Security rating is not a deterent for players at all, especially since the hits to security rating are marginal for ganking players in low sec space, hence sentry guns sort of make sure that ganking someone near a gate or station is a risky proposition, as it should be.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:19:00 - [11] Originally by: Kahani Lyn It's not a potential fight at 0.0 gates either, it's usually a gankfleet waiting to pounce on a single person, unless they bring their own gankfleet. Leave lowsec as it is. Im not suggesting to change low sec. Im suggesting we allow casual pirates to sit at gates in 0.1 and 0.4 without having sentries around... --- "2006.04.15 05:48:19 notify Ditrigonal Thermal Barrier Crystallization I is already modifyActiveShieldResonanceAndNullifyPassiveResonance."
Raven Aure	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:21:00 - [12] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Kahani Lyn It's not a potential fight at 0.0 gates either, it's usually a gankfleet waiting to pounce on a single person, unless they bring their own gankfleet. Leave lowsec as it is. Im not suggesting to change low sec. Im suggesting we allow casual pirates to sit at gates in 0.1 and 0.4 without having sentries around... Which will make low sec systems harder for casual players to get into and thus slowing the move of players to 0.0. I don't see how this is constructive. ______________________ Originally by: Double TaP hippo, other guy, calm down. lets be friends. yall are arguing about the different meanings of the word zerg.
Hunters Presence	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:23:00 - [13] Quote: CONCORDOKKEN and BoBAGEDDON Quote: Im not suggesting to change low sec. Im suggesting we allow casual pirates to sit at gates in 0.1 and 0.4 without having sentries around... So... you are suggesting to change low sec then? ----- www.rushyo.com/eve.jpg[/img] Lead Games Programmer \| Quasit-Rushyo Games Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
DukDodgerz	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:23:00 - [14] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Kahani Lyn It's not a potential fight at 0.0 gates either, it's usually a gankfleet waiting to pounce on a single person, unless they bring their own gankfleet. Leave lowsec as it is. Im not suggesting to change low sec. Im suggesting we allow casual pirates to sit at gates in 0.1 and 0.4 without having sentries around... YOU ARE SUGGESTING CHANGING LOW SEC SPACE! If you want lower security then 0.1, wellllll GEEEEEEEEEE move your butt to 0.0 space DUHHHHH! ------------------- English only, please. -Capsicum - translation of old sigy - Bad People Suck
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:24:00 - [15] sentry guns stop tackling frigates at gates, and give the defenders an advantage. thats an important difference between empire and 0.0, and one that i think needs to stay. Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin Who pwned who? ~kieron RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:27:00 - [16] Originally by: Hunters Presence Quote: CONCORDOKKEN and BoBAGEDDON Quote: Im not suggesting to change low sec. Im suggesting we allow casual pirates to sit at gates in 0.1 and 0.4 without having sentries around... So... you are suggesting to change low sec then? Well, if you define low sec as 0.1 to 0.4, so yes. If you define it as 0.0, nope. --- "2006.04.15 05:48:19 notify Ditrigonal Thermal Barrier Crystallization I is already modifyActiveShieldResonanceAndNullifyPassiveResonance."
ToxicFire	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:28:00 - [17] Originally by: Slink Grinsdikild Originally by: Jim McGregor Isnt it enough with having them near stations? Wouldnt eve be alot better if casual players could sit at a gate in these systems and try to ransom/kill people? If you're a casual player regions like Syndicate couldn't be any better for a 'quick PvP fix'. I fail to see your point, why would a casual player want to stay in 0.0 for an extended period of time? Rofl syndicate isn't the place to go for a casual Pvp fix at the moment theres a full force territorial war going on between OSS(Goons and CO) The Core Collective, VS Galactic Auora, Black Reign Syndicate and Supreme, not to mention a few other members of the new anti Goon's pact
DukDodgerz	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:29:00 - [18] Edited by: DukDodgerz on 16/04/2006 15:32:50 Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Hunters Presence Quote: CONCORDOKKEN and BoBAGEDDON Quote: Im not suggesting to change low sec. Im suggesting we allow casual pirates to sit at gates in 0.1 and 0.4 without having sentries around... So... you are suggesting to change low sec then? Well, if you define low sec as 0.1 to 0.4, so yes. If you define it as 0.0, nope. omfg, we got ourselves an einstien people! We can tell SOME-ONE left their +3 intelegence implant at home.... ok, for those that wear dunce hats as the norm... 0 = zero, none, nada, zilch, lack-of, as in there is no security 0.1-0.4 = low security (geee imagine that) 0.5-1.0 = high sec (oh wow, will the wonder of it all ever cease...) ------------------- English only, please. -Capsicum - translation of old sigy - Bad People Suck
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:37:00 - [19] Originally by: DukDodgerz Edited by: DukDodgerz on 16/04/2006 15:32:50 Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Hunters Presence Quote: CONCORDOKKEN and BoBAGEDDON Quote: Im not suggesting to change low sec. Im suggesting we allow casual pirates to sit at gates in 0.1 and 0.4 without having sentries around... So... you are suggesting to change low sec then? Well, if you define low sec as 0.1 to 0.4, so yes. If you define it as 0.0, nope. omfg, we got ourselves an einstien people! We can tell SOME-ONE left their +3 intelegence implant at home.... ok, for those that wear dunce hats as the norm... 0 = zero, none, nada, zilch, lack-of, as in there is no security 0.1-0.4 = low security (geee imagine that) 0.5-1.0 = high sec (oh wow, will the wonder of it all ever cease...) Have you ever done a IQ test? I think we should get back to the discussion instead of flaming eachother. Its fine that people dont agree with me, but if you think im unintelligent, you are quite wrong. --- "2006.04.15 05:48:19 notify Ditrigonal Thermal Barrier Crystallization I is already modifyActiveShieldResonanceAndNullifyPassiveResonance."
Bawldeux IV	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:39:00 - [20] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: DukDodgerz Edited by: DukDodgerz on 16/04/2006 15:32:50 Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Hunters Presence Quote: CONCORDOKKEN and BoBAGEDDON Quote: Im not suggesting to change low sec. Im suggesting we allow casual pirates to sit at gates in 0.1 and 0.4 without having sentries around... So... you are suggesting to change low sec then? Well, if you define low sec as 0.1 to 0.4, so yes. If you define it as 0.0, nope. omfg, we got ourselves an einstien people! We can tell SOME-ONE left their +3 intelegence implant at home.... ok, for those that wear dunce hats as the norm... 0 = zero, none, nada, zilch, lack-of, as in there is no security 0.1-0.4 = low security (geee imagine that) 0.5-1.0 = high sec (oh wow, will the wonder of it all ever cease...) Have you ever done a IQ test? I think we should get back to the discussion instead of flaming eachother. Its fine that people dont agree with me, but if you think im unintelligent, you are quite wrong. you are proving it by not understanding the long term, well defined and well documented definition of low security, and the concept that altering a thing, is changing a thing....now go sit in the corner and think about it...and pay attention to the part that everyone is telling you, MOVE YOUR BUTT TO 0.0 SPACE IF YOU WANT LOWER SECURITY THEN 0.1.... gggggggeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz -------------------------------------------------- [green]Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceedi
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:40:00 - [21] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Sovy Kurosei You can pirate as a noob in 0.0 space, just bring some friends and camp a gate and the targets will come flying to you. Yep. But my point is that eve would be better if this was possible in 0.1 to 0.4 as well. It already IS possible. It just shoudln't be easy. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:42:00 - [22] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Sovy Kurosei You can pirate as a noob in 0.0 space, just bring some friends and camp a gate and the targets will come flying to you. Yep. But my point is that eve would be better if this was possible in 0.1 to 0.4 as well. It already IS possible. It just shoudln't be easy. Why not? --- "2006.04.15 05:48:19 notify Ditrigonal Thermal Barrier Crystallization I is already modifyActiveShieldResonanceAndNullifyPassiveResonance."
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:44:00 - [23] Originally by: Jim McGregor Have you ever done a IQ test? I think we should get back to the discussion instead of flaming eachother. Its fine that people dont agree with me, but if you think im unintelligent, you are quite wrong. no, it seems that you are quite wrong. 0.1-0.4 is low sec. Its not a matter of opinion. it IS. What you are arguing the equivalent of saying "but 0.0 is empire" or "frigates fit superweapons". sure, its true if you redefine a few words, but we don't, so its bull**** Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin Who pwned who? ~kieron RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Cerberal	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:46:00 - [24] just leave the dumb sentries, otherwise you will have new waves of people complaining about bringing them back, or even worse... bringing them AND a bit of concord with them. this would be a situation of "Be careful what you wish for" so to speak.
Gamer4liff	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:47:00 - [25] Edited by: Gamer4liff on 16/04/2006 15:50:10 Obviously we need senturys, they are pretty much the only thing that seperates lowsec from 0.0. (not that they do all that much anyway.) Maybe someday they will outright remove sents. and put in a delayed concord responce based on the system's security level. But I really don't see that happening.
DukDodgerz	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:49:00 - [26] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Sovy Kurosei You can pirate as a noob in 0.0 space, just bring some friends and camp a gate and the targets will come flying to you. Yep. But my point is that eve would be better if this was possible in 0.1 to 0.4 as well. It already IS possible. It just shoudln't be easy. Why not? seems the OP is only trolling, and has nothing constructive to say. I have an idea, go play an FPS game for those easy kills, leave eve to those that can ride the learning curve (or pay attention to what the others are saying, and the site info provided, thus avoiding others thinking you are a moron, not saying you are a moron, only people may think you are based on your ignoring what everyone has told you). ------------------- English only, please. -Capsicum - translation of old sigy - Bad People Suck
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:49:00 - [27] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Sovy Kurosei You can pirate as a noob in 0.0 space, just bring some friends and camp a gate and the targets will come flying to you. Yep. But my point is that eve would be better if this was possible in 0.1 to 0.4 as well. It already IS possible. It just shoudln't be easy. Why not? It has to do with the risk versus reward scheme in eve. Sentries make it risky to pirate in low sec at the gates because it's a lot easier for someone to take out a tanked ship if sentries are also battering away at it. Don't think for a single minute that sentries make pirating impossible in low sec because while it may be difficult, it's not impossible. In fact, it's fairly easy to tank sentries if you know what you're doing. You can even use a cap injector to tank them for up to 5 minutes without sacrificing all your slots for the tank. Basically, it's risk versus reward. The risk involved in low sec pirating is offset by the fact that it's empire and you can catch people who are flying quite expensive things or hauling expensive loads that they wouldn't have the cause to haul to 0.0. The rewards of 0.0 pirating are pretty small. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:50:00 - [28] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Jim McGregor Have you ever done a IQ test? I think we should get back to the discussion instead of flaming eachother. Its fine that people dont agree with me, but if you think im unintelligent, you are quite wrong. no, it seems that you are quite wrong. 0.1-0.4 is low sec. Its not a matter of opinion. it IS. What you are arguing the equivalent of saying "but 0.0 is empire" or "frigates fit superweapons". sure, its true if you redefine a few words, but we don't, so its bull**** Im not trying to redefine anything. 0.1 to 0.4 is low sec. Then im proposing to change low sec so it works more like 0.0. Why is this such a bad idea? What would happen? --- "2006.04.15 05:48:19 notify Ditrigonal Thermal Barrier Crystallization I is already modifyActiveShieldResonanceAndNullifyPassiveResonance."
Raven Aure	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:50:00 - [29] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Nyphur snip It already IS possible. It just shoudln't be easy. Why not? Then where do you draw the line at? You can't keep making things easier because the extension of the philosophy is giving an ibis a win button. The system is well balanced and there for a number of reasons (see the non-flames above). ______________________ Originally by: Double TaP hippo, other guy, calm down. lets be friends. yall are arguing about the different meanings of the word zerg.
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:52:00 - [30] Originally by: Jim McGregor Im not trying to redefine anything. 0.1 to 0.4 is low sec. Then im proposing to change low sec so it works more like 0.0. Why is this such a bad idea? What would happen? Please don't mind the unconstructive replies you're getting. Things work a lot better if you don't flame back, too :S. As I said before, it's about eve's risk versus reward schema. It's been suggested that sentries be removed in low sec before but all this would do is turn low sec into a pathetic version of 0.0, with a fraction of the rewards and all the risk. It just doesn't fit into eve. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.

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