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Merdaneth
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Posted - 2011.11.22 17:41:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:God knows that He exists. Why would he need to prove it to you? Aha! But if God knows that it exists, why does it need you to speak for it?
Mr. Ixiris,
If you believe God doesn't exist, why do you persist in triggering debates about Him?
To me all your talk seems more and more like an attempt to convince yourself that He doesn't exist.
You are like a layman trying to argue quantum physics with a physicist: it is obvious you don't have a clue. I think you wouldn't believe in a quarck even if a thousand people told you such a particle existed.
There is no proof of existence that can be offered to one that doesn't want to believe something, hence your question of asking proof is irrelevant. First you must *want* to believe.
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Merdaneth
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Posted - 2011.11.22 22:30:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:
The existence and appearence of quarks is not contingent upon a person's belief in them, because their existence can be proven beyond reasonable doubt.
Then mr. Ixiris, my challenge to you is simple: prove to me that quarks exist. |
Merdaneth
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Posted - 2011.11.23 01:35:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:
Would you accept such proof when/if presented?
I ask with sincerity, this time, because many of your fellows would find a technicality to exploit and claim that the evidence presented is not 'proof', or argue over the definition of 'exist', or other things like that.
However, you seem to be someone who won't stoop to such levels.
So, can we have your word that you will accept that the information presented is valid?
Ms. Stjerna, you do not grasp the problem.
Proof is contingent upon the criteria you establish to determine it. "I don't believe it until I've seen it" is such a criteria for example. Mr. Ixiris might simply demand to see God. Even then when I stretch out my hand and point out the heavens and say "this is all God" he might say: "no, I must see a man, a force or something else, I will not accept a vision of the skies as proof. If you do not show me a image of a man with ultimate power I won't believe in God."
Let me try another example: can you prove love exists, or how about faith?
There are many intangibles in life and we have words for them. Words for things that tie the universe together and provide an answer to many of humanity's basic questions: why are we here, what is our purpose? Mr. Ixiris might claim an invisible force akin to Quarks ties the universe together and is the origin, cause and explanation all in one, and that all causality and life and everything can be traced back to this intangible theoretical force. My answer to such questions is: God.
Similarly, if I claim that I've must have seen a Quark with my own bare eyes to believe in it, I believe mr. Ixiris will be hard-pressed to provide sufficient proof.
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Merdaneth
Defensores Fidei
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Posted - 2011.11.23 01:41:00 -
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Arkady Sadik wrote:Again: Why does it matter whether this god exists or not?
It matters if you believe in Him or not. For many people believing in God is contingent on believing that he exists.
However, I doubt that if mr. Ixiris was presented proof that God did exist, he would start becoming a faithful follower. Of course, this means that there is no point in trying to proof God's existence to mr. Ixiris. |
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