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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.11.24 12:37:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Terrorist isn't a legal term. Criminal is. So, you concede that none of the Ushra'Khan, the Electus Matari or the Tribal Liberation Force are criminals,
Are you suggesting that not a single member of any of those groups has committed a crime?
Quote:and that there is no need for soldiers of the Republic to respect any law of teh Empire or personal right of an Imperial citizen? Good to know, that clears up a lot of questions I have about the operating conditions of my new job.
That's not what I'm saying at all, and you know it. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.11.24 12:55:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Are you suggesting that not a single member of any of those groups has committed a crime?
Are you suggesting that the Empire has never committed crimes?
Rodj Blake wrote:That's not what I'm saying at all, and you know it.
Well, you seem to have no regard for laws and statutes it would be inconvenient for you or your Empire to follow, regardless of whether they're obliged to do so or not. Why should we be any different? Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Lucius Vindictus
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.11.24 13:29:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Actually, quite often, they do apply retroactively.
You either understand nothing of intergalactic politics, or you know something the rest of us don't. Like others have asked before, we remain interested in seeing a relevant source. Until then no one will to take you seriously. |

Ethidium Bromide
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS
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Posted - 2011.11.24 13:56:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Your continuing slave raids into Gallente, Minmatar and Caldari space are also violations of the Yulai Convention, as are your continuing human rights abuses.
see, that's the problem! why do you asume you fall under the definition of human?
you may be sweet and cuddly when you are puppies gallenteans but you tend to become anoying pests when you grow up! you are dealt with accordingly.
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:13:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Are you suggesting that not a single member of any of those groups has committed a crime? Are you suggesting that the Empire has never committed crimes?
Yes I am.
However, I'm not saying that no member of the Empire has ever committed a crime.
What you're doing is like comparing a long-limb with a slaver hound.
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
285
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:31:00 -
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Ethidium Bromide wrote:see, that's the problem! why do you asume you fall under the definition of human?
you may be sweet and cuddly when you are puppies gallenteans but you tend to become anoying pests when you grow up! you are dealt with accordingly.
And so we see the true, honest face of Amarrian belief - they don't think of people they disagree with as humans. This is what they don't want people to see, but occasionally slips out anyway - that they get selective about who they consider human. Answer me this: if Amarrians do not consider the humans - and they are humans, no matter what you say - why should we consider Amarrians to be human? What justification do you have for acting surprised and appalled when thousands of Amarrians die in so-called "terrorist" acts? We've decided you're just not human, after all. What right do you have to complain?
See why this logic just doesn't work? Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:32:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Yes I am.
But according to you, other nations, as a whole, have committed crimes. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Ran'shad
Imperial Manufacturing and Engineering Regiment
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:42:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Pretty much everything that you object to about the Empire are not crimes. Yes they are.
Oh, alright then. I suppose we just take your word for it? Please accept my appoligies for requiring more than just a simple 3 word statement that is completely unsupported. This is the kind of argument I have come to know and love from my 5 year old grandson. Using your oratory skills, the next response should be "No they're not."
Regardless of what else has been said on here, I must ask you where is your legal precedence? Where is your evidence? Precisely which laws and statutes have been violated and by whom, on what dates with which witnesses to coroburate the claims? Take your pre-school arguments home and return when you have something of substance. |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
285
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:51:00 -
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Ran'shad wrote:Regardless of what else has been said on here, I must ask you where is your legal precedence? Where is your evidence? Precisely which laws and statutes have been violated and by whom, on what dates with which witnesses to coroburate the claims? Take your pre-school arguments home and return when you have something of substance.
So, by your definitions, the violation of an independent state's sovereignty, the orbital bombardment of its planets, the wholesale enslavement of its people, the destruction of vast swathes of its technology and culture, the widespread use of a toxic virus to compell obedience and outright genocide are not crimes?
Alright then, you've convinced me, I openly concede that they're not crimes.
Good to know those tactics will be perfectly acceptable to use against the Empire, then. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Ascentior
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:56:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Ran'shad wrote:Regardless of what else has been said on here, I must ask you where is your legal precedence? Where is your evidence? Precisely which laws and statutes have been violated and by whom, on what dates with which witnesses to coroburate the claims? Take your pre-school arguments home and return when you have something of substance. So, by your definitions, the violation of an independent state's sovereignty, the orbital bombardment of its planets, the wholesale enslavement of its people, the destruction of vast swathes of its technology and culture, the widespread use of a toxic virus to compell obedience and outright genocide are not crimes? Alright then, you've convinced me, I openly concede that they're not crimes. Good to know those tactics will be perfectly acceptable to use against the Empire, then. Again, Minmatar raid their own populace, kidnap their own people, and sell them to some that are affiliated withTthe Empire, as well as many that most would consider much worse. Does this make the entire Republic responsible for those actions? |
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Ethidium Bromide
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS
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Posted - 2011.11.24 14:57:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Ethidium Bromide wrote:see, that's the problem! why do you asume you fall under the definition of human?
you may be sweet and cuddly when you are puppies gallenteans but you tend to become anoying pests when you grow up! you are dealt with accordingly. And so we see the true, honest face of Amarrian belief - they don't think of people they disagree with as humans. This is what they don't want people to see, but occasionally slips out anyway - that they get selective about who they consider human. Answer me this: if Amarrians do not consider the humans - and they are humans, no matter what you say - why should we consider Amarrians to be human? What justification do you have for acting surprised and appalled when thousands of Amarrians die in so-called "terrorist" acts? See why this logic just doesn't work?
you are a funny one! i will kill you last!
lets analyse your self dilusions: "they don't think of people they disagree with as humans" if a agree with a dog it is still a dog, your point is invalid!
" that they get selective about who they consider human" god made us superior to you, you are not the same level as us. therefore you are the lesser races! human stock to a certain degree, i have to give you that but still not quite... the same.
" appalled when thousands of Amarrians die in so-called "terrorist" acts" ofcourse! you would be too if dogs started runing wild biting and killing the ones who feed them. the only difference is we try to feed you spiritually! but as you are sure your dog will only become fat from overfeeding we know you will only beome more confused from overfeeding your minds.
"What right do you have to complain?" any right we like to grant ourselves.
"See why this logic just doesn't work?" because you do not understand it, you are too primitive to see the spiritual level we have access to. therefore you have the need to apply logic to problems that are nothing but simple facts to us. you are arguing about colours but do not accept that you are blind!
maybe one day god will chose to enlighten you and then you will see your words as the childish, primitive blabbering i allready know they are today! |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
285
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Posted - 2011.11.24 15:15:00 -
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Ethidium Bromide wrote:you are a funny one! i will kill you last!
Come and try.
The rest of your drivel was self-serving gibberish with no evidence to back it up other than "because we say so". Unfortunately, reality seems to be against you in that regard.
(I'd also like to note it's absolutely ******* hilarious to see a man who claims to be a member of a "superior race" yet can't even manage to use proper grammar and spelling. Talk about falling before the first hurdle...) Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Ethidium Bromide
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS
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Posted - 2011.11.24 15:21:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Ethidium Bromide wrote:you are a funny one! i will kill you last! (I'd also like to note it's absolutely ******* hilarious to see a man who claims to be a member of a "superior race" yet can't even manage to use proper grammar and spelling. Talk about falling before the first hurdle...)
i am very sorry to disappoint you but i was not raised on the same planet as you were obviously.
the fact you fail to see the truth because of my inability to use proper grammar and spelling sadens me though. maybe i must accept that though suprior to you i am not yet perfect!
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.11.24 15:31:00 -
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Ethidium Bromide wrote:i am very sorry to disappoint you but i was not raised on the same planet as you were obviously.
the fact you fail to see the truth because of my inability to use proper grammar and spelling sadens me though. maybe i must accept that though suprior to you i am not yet perfect!
But you haven't even proven you're on my level, let alone superior to me. All you've done is declare "I'm superior to you", insisted it's true because... well, you say it is (something I'm pretty sure Amarrians have criticised me for doing in the past, so watch for that double standard).
The thing is, the supposedly unassailable superiority of your Empire is an outright lie. You're technologically stunted compared to the other three major nations in the cluster - despite the fact that one of them had to rebuild their technological base from scratch in less than a century literally from spare parts. You've lost about a third of its territory in the past two centuries, and the only time you've had any success in this current war is when you were forced to plead for assistance from the Caldari. You helped create Sansha's Nation, the second-largest threat to civilization (including whatever passes for "civilization" in the Empire, no less) and then, when you realised what you'd done, you had to plead for help from all three of the other nations - including the Minmatar - to assist you in ending that threat. An entire armada was lost to a Jovian fleet not even one-third its size.
Your naval fleets are so inept that when communications with superiors are lost even for a few minutes, your carriers crash into one another.
I will concede this much: in terms of irony, you are certainly superior to all other races. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Ethidium Bromide
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS
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Posted - 2011.11.24 15:49:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote: But you haven't even proven you're on my level, let alone superior to me. All you've done is declare "I'm superior to you", insisted it's true because... well, you say it is (something I'm pretty sure Amarrians have criticised me for doing in the past, so watch for that double standard).
The thing is, the supposedly unassailable superiority of your Empire is an outright lie. You're technologically stunted compared to the other three major nations in the cluster - despite the fact that one of them had to rebuild their technological base from scratch in less than a century literally from spare parts. You've lost about a third of its territory in the past two centuries, and the only time you've had any success in this current war is when you were forced to plead for assistance from the Caldari. You helped create Sansha's Nation, the second-largest threat to civilization (including whatever passes for "civilization" in the Empire, no less) and then, when you realised what you'd done, you had to plead for help from all three of the other nations - including the Minmatar - to assist you in ending that threat. An entire armada was lost to a Jovian fleet not even one-third its size.
Your naval fleets are so inept that when communications with superiors are lost even for a few minutes, your carriers crash into one another.
I will concede this much: in terms of irony, you are certainly superior to all other races.
no need to prove anything with pseudoscientific discussions. i accept that i wass created superior to other races, superior because i am able and willing to see the light! i have faith, i am strong in my faith! i am strong enough to refuse using capitalization!
" ...in less than a century literally from spare parts" yes one can see that much! 
"You helped create Sansha's Nation" the idea still has something i have to admit!
" was lost to a Jovian fleet not even one-third its size." a dark day but then even we have to realize that blind faith may lead you to bad decisionmaking and therefore you might be cut down to size by whatever means god choses!
" your carriers crash into one another." i don't remember this particualr incident but i guess: see last answer
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:02:00 -
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A lot of excuse-making for abject failures on the part of supposed Amarrian superiority, but one tiny gem of truth. Broken clocks are, of course, right twice a day:
Ethidium Bromide wrote:blind faith may lead you to bad decisionmaking
So close, and yet so far. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Ethidium Bromide
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:08:00 -
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i don't see "a lot" of excuse making if any at all but if it fits your needs and makes you feel better to hilight mistakes and errors so be it. i do not mind accepting failures as such and improve in strength from learning the lessons offered. strength is a trait you might need longer than a single lifetime to acquire! having a virtual passport to immortality might help your soulless existance to see a little light in the distant future though!
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:18:00 -
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One thing to consider is the Heirarchy of Laws.
Allow me to explain.
If a human government were to pass a law outlawing gravity, gravity would still exist. This is because the laws of nature supercede the laws of man.
Similarly, the laws of God supercede the laws of nature, because God can do pretty much anything that He wants, and He wrote the laws of natuer anyway.
So far we have:
Law of God Law of Nature Law of Man
Now, it just so happens that mankind has more than one body of law, so we should split the Law of Man up. International treaties generally supercede national legislation, so the Yulai Convention could arguably be put above the laws of the four factions. If we were to look at things from a neutral viewpoint those bodies of law would have equal weighting, and we would then end up with this:
Law of God Law of Nature Yulai Convention Amarrian Law / Caldari Law / Minmatar Law / Gallente Law
But you see, even if we do give Amarrian Law equal weighting with Minmatar Law, the Law of God is still more important than either.
So if the Law of God is incorporated in Amarrian Law, then it stands to reason that those parts of Amarrian Law taken from the Law of God do in fact carry more importance than all other human laws.
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:23:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:One thing to consider is the Heirarchy of Laws.
Allow me to explain.
If a human government were to pass a law outlawing gravity, gravity would still exist. This is because the laws of nature supercede the laws of man.
Similarly, the laws of God supercede the laws of nature
Stop right there. This presumes the existence of God, which I have previously proven is an invalid presumption. The premises of your argument are fundamentally flawed. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:24:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:One thing to consider is the Heirarchy of Laws.
Allow me to explain.
If a human government were to pass a law outlawing gravity, gravity would still exist. This is because the laws of nature supercede the laws of man.
Similarly, the laws of God supercede the laws of nature Stop right there. This presumes the existence of God, which I have previously proven is an invalid presumption. The premises of your argument are fundamentally flawed.
All you've proven is your own short-sightedness.
Ignorance of the law does not invalidate it.
That is why we are on a mission to spread God's word. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
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Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:26:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote: So if the Law of God is incorporated in Amarrian Law, then it stands to reason that those parts of Amarrian Law taken from the Law of God do in fact carry more importance than all other human laws.
So, you openly admit that the laws of other nations don't apply to you, because they're subservient to 'God's Law'?
To extend your analogy to its logical conclusion:
Since you have declared that you are not subject to the laws of humankind, you have no standing before any interstelllar or planetary court and are thus not enttled to the protection of laws passed in said court.
(I'd also like to remind you that planetary governments may not pick and choose which specific laws apply to them and which don't, so there's no point arguing that precedent). |

Sakura Imoru
Talon Squadron
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:27:00 -
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Considering that the Amarr claim to be superior to everyone they surely get a lot of beating by them:
-The Jove literally obliterated the Amarr Navy at Vak'Atioth
-The Matari kicked the well equiped Imperial Navy out of Heimatar using ships that were literally welded together by stuff lying around (If I remember correctly the original engines of the Rifter were made from modified mining equipment)
- The Matari invaded the Amarr Empire only 3 years ago (after beating the "invincible" CONCORD in their own system, thereby showing that their "inferior" technology can easily compete with the most advanced ones), wreaking havoc deep inside imperial borders. And even if Jamyl was able to eventually defeat one of the three Titan-fleets, it was hardly a victory. Mekhios' surface is still trying to recover from that Ragnarok-hull that crashed on the planet, it's damaged reactors leaving huge areas uninhabitable. |

Ethidium Bromide
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:29:00 -
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Subjects Stjerna and Ixiris fail to accept that logic is not the way to deal with the divine.
They are munching on dog treats, we are offering feasts! |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:31:00 -
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Sakura Imoru wrote:Considering that the Amarr claim to be superior to everyone they surely get a lot of beating by them:
-The Jove literally obliterated the Amarr Navy at Vak'Atioth
Wrong. The Jove defeated a small part of the Amarr Navy at Vak'Atioth.
Quote: -The Matari kicked the well equiped Imperial Navy out of Heimatar using ships that were literally welded together by stuff lying around (If I remember correctly the original engines of the Rifter were made from modified mining equipment)
- The Matari invaded the Amarr Empire only 3 years ago (after beating the "invincible" CONCORD in their own system, thereby showing that their "inferior" technology can easily compete with the most advanced ones), wreaking havoc deep inside imperial borders. And even if Jamyl was able to eventually defeat one of the three Titan-fleets, it was hardly a victory. Mekhios' surface is still trying to recover from that Ragnarok-hull that crashed on the planet, it's damaged reactors leaving huge areas uninhabitable.
Yes, it's almost as though the Minmatars had a mysterious backer supplying them, isn't it?
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:34:00 -
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Ethidium Bromide wrote:Subjects Stjerna and Ixiris fail to accept that logic is not the way to deal with the divine.
They are munching on dog treats, we are offering feasts!
More than that - the logic that they use has more flaws in it than a spent Gleam crystal. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:34:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:All you've proven is your own short-sightedness.
Short-sightedness? From the man who posits a clearly invalid argument and then insists that despite all logic and reason pointing against it, he's right and reality itself is wrong?
The Law of God is a Lie. This is the truth. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Sakura Imoru
Talon Squadron
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:36:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Sakura Imoru wrote:Considering that the Amarr claim to be superior to everyone they surely get a lot of beating by them:
-The Jove literally obliterated the Amarr Navy at Vak'Atioth Wrong. The Jove defeated a small part of the Amarr Navy at Vak'Atioth.
I never said how big the fleet was back then, fact is: it was obliterated.
Quote:Quote: -The Matari kicked the well equiped Imperial Navy out of Heimatar using ships that were literally welded together by stuff lying around (If I remember correctly the original engines of the Rifter were made from modified mining equipment)
- The Matari invaded the Amarr Empire only 3 years ago (after beating the "invincible" CONCORD in their own system, thereby showing that their "inferior" technology can easily compete with the most advanced ones), wreaking havoc deep inside imperial borders. And even if Jamyl was able to eventually defeat one of the three Titan-fleets, it was hardly a victory. Mekhios' surface is still trying to recover from that Ragnarok-hull that crashed on the planet, it's damaged reactors leaving huge areas uninhabitable.
Yes, it's almost as though the Minmatars had a mysterious backer supplying them, isn't it? Even if they were: Since the supporters must be inferior beings as well, it doesn't matter... IF the Amarrians really were superior. |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:36:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:More than that - the logic that they use has more flaws in it than a spent Gleam crystal.
And yet you won't - and can't - point out what precisely they are. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
408
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:37:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:Rodj Blake wrote: So if the Law of God is incorporated in Amarrian Law, then it stands to reason that those parts of Amarrian Law taken from the Law of God do in fact carry more importance than all other human laws.
So, you openly admit that the laws of other nations don't apply to you, because they're subservient to 'God's Law'? To extend your analogy to its logical conclusion: Since you have declared that you are not subject to the laws of humankind, you have no standing before any interstelllar or planetary court and are thus not enttled to the protection of laws passed in said court.
I've declared no such thing. I've merely said that the laws of God and the laws of nature supercede the laws of man.
Quote: (I'd also like to remind you that planetary governments may not pick and choose which specific laws apply to them and which don't, so there's no point arguing that precedent).
That was my point. Even atheist goverments are subject to God's laws - they just don't realise it.
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.11.24 16:38:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:That was my point. Even atheist goverments are subject to God's laws
Except they aren't, as God doesn't exist. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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