Then why do you talk like an entitled clueless noob?

No, really, I hate to contribute to the toxicity of the forums, but this is how I see it.

If a new player quits because he can't fly a Dominix during his first day we probably don't want him around anyway.

One of the most common reasons newbies give up on EVE is that they see it will take 60+ days to fly an effective cruiser, and ragequit.

"We" as in CCP? I doubt CCP shares your thoughts, regardless of who people are, and how they play, players = money in the bank.

Yeah, but plenty also quit.

As long as he is talking about lowsec, he is right.

So f-ing what? If you give new players more it won't stop them from doing something stupid and getting blown up, in fact, likely the opposite.

I'm guessing you weren't around for the learning skills?

Erhm no? I live in low sec too... Looked up my own stats and found my top 3 in killtypes for the last few months:

Battleships killed 129
Battlecruisers killed 103
Cruisers killed 89

My alliance tends to fight a lot of different places in low sec, so would say my stats cover low sec pretty well.

Perhaps you would rather SP be gained through the killing of NPC? I'll pass on that. I did my share of xp grinding for over 10 years in Everquest.

The way eve has you set up to passively gain SP is fine by me.

The only place I see you guys in low sec is either near a titan or a cyno. Shouldn't be really surprising that you mostly catch slow moving battleships.
The average low sec population however travels by gate, in which case BS are incredibly impractical.

I'm suggesting that new players should start the game with the skills to fully t2 fit a frigate and cruiser of their choice.
This would have minimal repercussions for veterans, and encourage a ton of new people to subscribe to the game.

If SP were gained through the killing of NPCs I'd have 4 billion skill points by now and would be able to fly planets lol.

Hi.
I'd like to propose a change that I think would be very good for EVE and attract a lot of new players.

Give new accounts free SP.
One of the most common reasons newbies give up on EVE is that they see it will take 60+ days to fly an effective cruiser, and ragequit.
The problem only gets worse when you consider higher level ships, or training other races' skills.
Many prestigious corporations in EVE will require you to have a full T2 fit battleship, HAC, or even capital ship before they consider your application.

Add support skills into the mix (as a new player your drones do 20% less damage for example) and you have a really discouraging formula.

This IMO, as time goes by, will be EVE's biggest problem. New player retention.

And before you say it's the fault of the community, and that they don't support newbsGÇö it simply isn't true.
Newbs are looked after very well by corporations like E-UNI and BNI.
The help channels actively answer new players' questions, usually in a quick and helpful fashion.

Before you objectGÇö this would not cause imbalance.
Having a bunch more t2 fit tier one cruisers in the game would make hardly any difference at all to the strategic landscape.
New players would still be hundreds of days away from the heavy hitting ships like Dreadnoughts and Carriers.
I'm not suggesting the training time for the top level stuff be reducedGÇö having more titan pilots in EVE would not be a good thing.

I'm suggesting that new players should start the game with the skills to fully t2 fit a frigate and cruiser of their choice.
This would have minimal repercussions for veterans, and encourage a ton of new people to subscribe to the game.

The only place I see you guys in low sec is either near a titan or a cyno. Shouldn't be really surprising that you mostly catch slow moving battleships.
The average low sec population however travels by gate, in which case BS are incredibly impractical.

"We" as in CCP? I doubt CCP shares your thoughts, regardless of who people are, and how they play, players = money in the bank.

Hi.
I'd like to propose a change that I think would be very good for EVE and attract a lot of new players.

Give new accounts free SP.
One of the most common reasons newbies give up on EVE is that they see it will take 60+ days to fly an effective cruiser, and ragequit.
The problem only gets worse when you consider higher level ships, or training other races' skills.
Many prestigious corporations in EVE will require you to have a full T2 fit battleship, HAC, or even capital ship before they consider your application.

Add support skills into the mix (as a new player your drones do 20% less damage for example) and you have a really discouraging formula.

This IMO, as time goes by, will be EVE's biggest problem. New player retention.

And before you say it's the fault of the community, and that they don't support newbsGÇö it simply isn't true.
Newbs are looked after very well by corporations like E-UNI and BNI.
The help channels actively answer new players' questions, usually in a quick and helpful fashion.

Before you objectGÇö this would not cause imbalance.
Having a bunch more t2 fit tier one cruisers in the game would make hardly any difference at all to the strategic landscape.
New players would still be hundreds of days away from the heavy hitting ships like Dreadnoughts and Carriers.
I'm not suggesting the training time for the top level stuff be reducedGÇö having more titan pilots in EVE would not be a good thing.

I'm suggesting that new players should start the game with the skills to fully t2 fit a frigate and cruiser of their choice.
This would have minimal repercussions for veterans, and encourage a ton of new people to subscribe to the game.

This isn't a bad idea, just tweak it a little bit.

For example!

Nothing is stopping a Newbro from buying a few PLEX with IRL cash to buy a starter toon from the character bazaar. So, there's already ways for a new player to get into bigger and heavier ships within an hour of signing up!

A great idea would be to give new ACCTS an option to buy a maximum of 2-3 Mil SP that would go into their SP pool. When they first start the game. This wouldn't break anything considering you can purchase a 100 Mil SP toon and fly practically anything within hours of starting the game.

I dont believe anyone should be giving anything for free, i do believe upon character creation though the current skills that have been trained may/could be better distributed to suit needs/tastes, why not just give new characters the sp instead of the trained skills?

Hi.
I'd like to propose a change that I think would be very good for EVE and attract a lot of new players.

Give new accounts free SP.
One of the most common reasons newbies give up on EVE is that they see it will take 60+ days to fly an effective cruiser, and ragequit.
The problem only gets worse when you consider higher level ships, or training other races' skills.
Many prestigious corporations in EVE will require you to have a full T2 fit battleship, HAC, or even capital ship before they consider your application.

Add support skills into the mix (as a new player your drones do 20% less damage for example) and you have a really discouraging formula.

This IMO, as time goes by, will be EVE's biggest problem. New player retention.

And before you say it's the fault of the community, and that they don't support newbsGÇö it simply isn't true.
Newbs are looked after very well by corporations like E-UNI and BNI.
The help channels actively answer new players' questions, usually in a quick and helpful fashion.

Before you objectGÇö this would not cause imbalance.
Having a bunch more t2 fit tier one cruisers in the game would make hardly any difference at all to the strategic landscape.
New players would still be hundreds of days away from the heavy hitting ships like Dreadnoughts and Carriers.
I'm not suggesting the training time for the top level stuff be reducedGÇö having more titan pilots in EVE would not be a good thing.

I'm suggesting that new players should start the game with the skills to fully t2 fit a frigate and cruiser of their choice.
This would have minimal repercussions for veterans, and encourage a ton of new people to subscribe to the game.

I'm suggesting that new players should start the game with the skills to fully t2 fit a frigate and cruiser of their choice. This would have minimal repercussions for veterans, and encourage a ton of new people to subscribe to the game.

Yeah, but plenty also quit.

They did try giving new players free SP when they started for a while. If I remember right, was like 800k SPs. And it didn't last long. Why? Dunno, probably because it didn't work as planned or something.